Alternative Rules and other comps

[Chris]

Will threads be started re possible entries for the Alternative Rules, Over 50's/60's and Mixed Pairs or is it just turn up on the day by 11am for 11.30am??

Thanks
Chris

[NigelS]

yes Chris just turn up on the day

[BB Warrior]

Could somebody please confirm the start times for the AEBBA Team Championships and Special Ladies on Sunday 21st October?

Many thanks, in anticipation. ;)

Dave

[NigelS]

Should be 11 am for 11.30 start dave

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[BB Warrior]

Oct 8, 2012 12:58:45 GMT NigelS said:

Should be 11 am for 11.30 start dave

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Thanks Nigel.  ;D

[Carls421]

Hi,
Sorry to gatecrash onto your thread, I inquired some months ago regarding the Alternative rules in Reading, to which I was given some great information.
I was inquiring whether 4-Pin Bar Billiards would ever be considered to be included as part of, or in conjunction with the Alternative Rules competition.

Unfortunately this year has been an incredibly hectic one for me, so I couldn't pursue it any further than I did. But we have a lot of players that are very interested in competing in a 4-Pin competition from Norfolk, there was also interest from the Sudbury League too.

My question is, and bearing in mind I have never seen the venue at Reading, do you think 1. There would be enough tables to accommodate an extra competition 2. Would this be allowed 3. How can I go about arranging this for 2013

Many Thanks for your time

Carl

Two competitions side by side.......Hmmm this has never been considered before.

Lets have a positive response to Carl and come up with some ideas for 2013 (it being too late for 2012, taking place this weekend).

As a first stab at an idea, how about the Main is played through as 'Triangles' as per usual as it has developed a good support, but hold the Plate under 4-Pin Rules?

The guys from Norfolk and Suffolk could forgo the Main if they wished, and have a shortened day. And any who entered the Main and won, say, one round but then lost in round two, could still be allowed to take part in the 4-pin section.

I reckon it could work. :)  

[Carls421]

Oct 8, 2012 16:24:03 GMT tommo III said:

Two competitions side by side.......Hmmm this has never been considered before.

Lets have a positive response to Carl and come up with some ideas for 2013 (it being too late for 2012, taking place this weekend).

As a first stab at an idea, how about the Main is played through as 'Triangles' as per usual as it has developed a good support, but hold the Plate under 4-Pin Rules?

The guys from Norfolk and Suffolk could forgo the Main if they wished, and have a shortened day. And any who entered the Main and won, say, one round but then lost in round two, could still be allowed to take part in the 4-pin section.

I reckon it could work. :) �

I'm not completely sure what you mean Tommo?

"Hold the Plate under 4-Pin Rules" In no way would I want to or even consider to try to change anything that is already established with the Triangles competition.

I was initially thinking of a separate 4-Pin competition for anyone to enter, although I am totally up for different suggestions!! �:)

My thought was that in National Events a player usually has to concentrate on one competition only, otherwise it creates complications for the organiser.

But by making the 'Plate' a 4-Pin you could have the best of both worlds as it starts half-way through the day. You 4-Pinners could have a crack at Triangles if you turn up at the start of the day, and still play in the 4-Pin if you get knocked out. If you don't of course you can just carry on and win the Triangles competition !

And for 3-Pinners who get knocked out of Triangles in the first round, they can have a first-ever crack at an exciting new game - 4-Pin !!!  They might even ask you to run that section from the Admin Desk, including answering queries on Rules etc.


I'm sure we're working towards a common aim, Carl, so let's see what third party reaction is.

[BB Warrior]

Oct 8, 2012 16:24:03 GMT tommo III said:

Two competitions side by side.......Hmmm this has never been considered before.

Hmmmmm.... I can think of LOTS of times that two competitions are already played together side by side already Tommow.... ;D ;D .... Open County Championships & AE Ladies Singles, Ladies County Championships & AE Men's Singles, Mixed Pairs, Over 50's and Over 60's all together and Sussex Masters and Sussex Under 25's immediately spring to mind! :P ;D

Carl, to give you a bit more information about the venue at Reading.... I believe that the AEBBA currently own 10 or 11 Tournament Tables and the Post Office Club regularly hosts Tournaments that have up to about 80 or 90 entrants, although several of the competitions held there only have 30-40 entries on some years.  

I think that any proposal to run a "non-AEBBA" Tournament alongside an AEBBA Competition would probably have to be discussed at the AGM in early December so I would suggest that you consider sending an email (or maybe a PM on here) to the AEBBA Secretary with your idea and I am sure that it would then be discussed at that meeting. 8-)  

Alternatively, maybe either you or other players interested in holding the 4 Pin Tournament would like to come down to Reading to see the venue and watch some of the games played during one of the existing AEBBA Tournaments over the next few weeks, I always believe that it is best to meet people face to face to discuss new ideas and you would certainly have a better idea then about what would be involved? ;D

To enable more constructive suggestions to be made by members here, it would be very helpful if we could have some idea as to the number of people you think would be interested in entering a 4 Pin Competition?  You would also have to consider that the AEBBA may make a charge to hire the tables out for this competition as well, so you would have to think about whether there would be an entry fee to enter it?

My personal thoughts would be that bearing in mind the number of entries for the Alternate Rules last year (about 40 from memory..?), I would think that this would possibly be the most likely date in the AEBBA Calendar next year that another competition could be played alongside an existing AEBBA Competition although I think that the 2 competitions should be kept separate rather than one being played as a Plate Competition for the other.... I think that would prove very strange and would be something of a nightmare for the person trying to schedule the matches! :o

But it might be possible to "split" the tables between the two competitions on the day and arrange a schedule around that depending on the number of 4 Pin Entries....?? ;D

[Carls421]

Ahh HA! I see what you mean now.

Thanks for the extra info BB Warrior, it makes a little more sense now. I shall definately send an email to the AEBBA, what harm could it do.

We have 7 teams here in Norwich each bringing 6 players to each night we play, every team has a few extra players for obvious reasons so we have between 45 and 50 players, I have spoken to about 15 of those and all are interested, I shall speak to the rest and see if we can come up with a total figure. Then there is the Sudbury League and Wellingborough (if they are still contactable)

The pub I captain (The Cottage) are going over to Sudbury (as The Cottage are the sister pub to The Brewery Tap down there) to play a mini tournament so I shall speak to them and see what the overall opinion is, we would be more than happy to pay an entry fee, as long as it didn't break the bank of corse!

I'm not sure if the Triangles players would be a bit put out if they had to play a game that they had never played before to get the plate would they?... Maybe I'm wrong. But like I say, I don't want to rock the boat.

Anyway, I shall get back to you and the AEBBA regarding numbers etc. If I can find time to come over i would love to! But as I say finding time at the moment is a nightmare

Many Thanks again

Carl

Oct 8, 2012 17:17:46 GMT BB Warrior said:

Hmmmmm.... I can think of LOTS of times that two competitions are already played together side by side already Tommow.... ;D ;D .... Open County Championships & AE Ladies Singles, Ladies County Championships & AE Men's Singles, Mixed Pairs, Over 50's and Over 60's all together and Sussex Masters and Sussex Under 25's immediately spring to mind! :P ;D

The example I was thinking of was when the Grand Prix was held in harness with the Over50/60s - a few had qualified for both and were asked to choose - but then rather wilfully chose the Over50/60s, presumably thinking they had a better chance to progress. Nigel was loth to put them in both because of the extra checking that would be involved on which tables played on.

There's loads to discuss on this, and hopefully a whole year to come up with a plan.

If we're expected to make this really high profile and attract three-dozen or so competitors from East Anglia, then perhaps it should be run on 'Open' lines and have prize money and a new Perpetual trophy. Also find a way of drafting in a couple of 'proper to the game' Narrow tables.

My initial idea was for more of a casual form of organisation - modifying an existing competition and minimising costs. The calendar is already choc-a-bloc and we shouldn't be trying to put extra duress on the already hardworking AEBBA team.

Make it too complicated and put too many obstacles in the way and the idea will never get off the ground.

[David.G]

Oct 8, 2012 18:01:28 GMT Carls421 said:

we have between 45 and 50 players

Many Thanks again

Carl

If you have this many players to start with, That is a good foundation to work from in regards to holding an 'OPEN' Competition somewhere this side of Norfolk, Most 'OPENS' have player entries of between 55 and 100.

Perhaps the rest of the country could visit your back yard for a day out.

Lets hear from the regular 'OPEN' players and get their views.

This is an interesting one indeed.

I would really go out of my way to take part in an Open 4-Pin tourney, whether it was in East Anglia - or in Reading as part of the Alternate Rules 2013.

And let's not forget that Northamptonshire also has a 4-Pin league (Wellingborough) as well as a conventional one. So if they ever wanted to resurrect their Open they might wish to cater for both variants in view of the East Anglian interest. :-/

[Carls421]

Many many thanks for all your replies and ideas, it sounds like this may have legs!!

I have now sent an email to the AEBBA Secretary regarding bringing my idea up at the AGM in December, so just waiting for a reply to see what feedback I get before I can get too excited about it all....