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Post by BB Warrior on May 7, 2013 13:22:58 GMT
FinalMark Trafford (2080,4500)6580 bt Chris Tupper (2370,150)2520 Firstly, congratulations to Mark Trafford for winning the Guernsey Open, his first individual national title. 8-) Mark had played well all weekend (having also been one of the losing finalists in the Pairs as well) and adapted to the individual challenges offered by the tables and deserved his victory on the day, Chris had also played superbly and the final was much closer than perhaps the match scores show with Tupps clipping the black peg when about 1k down in the second leg with a couple of minutes remaining. ;) This is the third year that the competition has been held a the Rocquettes Hotel and personally I feel that the venue is excellent, with a good selection of food available and the staff always seem very helpful even if their English is perhaps not as good as it could be.... but the service was quick and the prices not too expensive. ;) We received the normal, wonderful, welcome from all of the Guernsey players and our thanks go to Luke, Sue and Tom Oliver who ran the Admin Desk with the assistance of Bob Le Moignan over the whole weekend.... 8-) .... I also know that many of the Guernsey players had been involved with preparing the tables for weeks in advance as well as moving them all to the hotel and setting them up for the competition.... and then removing them all again on the Monday morning while many of us were still nursing sore heads from the night before! :o My thanks to all of them for their hard work which helped to make it such a good weekend for all of the players. ;D ;D ;D I am sure that all of the players will bring home memories from this weekend, I personally hope that these will mostly be postive ones and that one, unfortunate, incident that happened will not be the only thing that is remembered after this Tournament. >:( :-X We will definitely be going back next year and look forward to welcoming our friends from Guernsey when they come over to Sussex in a few weeks time.... 8-)
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Post by The Chubbster™ on May 7, 2013 13:35:47 GMT
Although I was not there, just a couple of things that I have to say…..
Normally I make a habbit of taking the mick out of one individual whenever I see him (normally because of his green trainers) So I would like to take this time and say well done to my old pal and doubles partner Chris Tupper for what looks like an epic run to the final. I believe he got to the Semi’s in Jersey as well a few years ago, so surely it’s only a matter of time before we see him holding a national trophy aloft.
I would also like to thank Dave Hampton for getting to the quarters, I say that not only because he’s a great guy, but because I tipped him and he turned out to be about 80% of my points total lol
On a more serious note, I must say I was deeply saddened and quite frankly shocked to hear talk of some truly terrible and completely inexcusable language and behaviour that found its way to the admin desk. If (and I do apologise if I’ve been given bad information) that is true, then I hope that such behaviour doesn’t reflect all the travelling players, and more importantly doesn’t put you off organising another (what I’m sure is an excellent) event next year. I say that because I would love to addend one day, so will start saving the pennies now if I can as the Guernsey Open is the one event I have yet to attend, and I would hate it to be jeopardised because of any single individual.
Anyway, well done once again to Tupps, I’m proud of you man. Time for you to get back on the tournament circuit I think……
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 14:30:58 GMT
Well done to all the winners over the weekend, espcially Mark on your first open win! I really enjoyed this weekend, one of my favourite bar billiard weekends to date :) Hotel was brilliant, food and plenty of good priced drinks! Thanks to the admin desk who were tested with a few headaches this weekend or maybe just the one.
I'm not going to come on here and be a keyboard warrior and start a slanging match with the man but I'm going to go through the correct and sensible procedures about this.
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Post by beefy on May 7, 2013 16:36:46 GMT
That is the correct thing to do. Well done Mark - you bugger beating me in the qtr's. I was hoping for one of the tricky tables as I knew on a high scoring top Mark would almost certainly win but on a tricky table maybe a chance but it wasnt to be. I was on reaching the qtr's my best by a long way..... ;D Great weekend - discussions started on the boat about next year. :)
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Post by beefy on May 7, 2013 16:42:25 GMT
I'm not going to come on here and be a keyboard warrior and start a slanging match with the man but I'm going to go through the correct and sensible procedures about this. I totally agree with you on this one dont do it on here. Lewis maturing at such a young age :D :D
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Post by chellster on May 7, 2013 17:01:38 GMT
Well done Lewis xxxx that is definitely the correct attitude xxx
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Post by NigelS on May 7, 2013 18:00:22 GMT
I would also like to congratulate Mark Trafford on winning his first open – welcome to the club! Congrats also to Chris Tupper, for making his first final and beating me in the semis on the tough table 5 :'( Also a big well done to another Worthing team mate Dave Ingram for winning the plate. And well done to Guernsey pair Roy Le Page and Terry Kenny for their pairs win.
It was another great Guernsey Open and enjoyed the venue and I would also like to thank Tom Oliver and his helpers for running the tournament.
With regards to Glenn’s comments, I was very disappointed of the behaviour that the admin desk had to deal with. My action at the time was to say I would pull out of the event if a rematch took place. Although I knew this would put Tom Oliver in a difficult position at the time, I did this because a rematch would set a president which would open a can of worms for every other tournament organiser in that (although I don’t believe players would do this) any player that loses a narrow game can claim a break may have gone on wrongly earlier in the contest and get a rematch after the event. This cannot be allowed, the scorer’s decision has to be final, and it is the player’s responsibility that their breaks go on correctly. Scorers can make mistakes but I don’t believe it was done on purpose. The level of abuse received by the scorer (Lewis) and the tournament organisers in the aftermath was completely unacceptable in my opinion.
Well done Lewis on your previous comment, I agree that it shows maturity and I can assure you as an AEBBA officer that any statement you make to the AEBBA will be taken very seriously.
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Post by Richard on May 7, 2013 20:22:09 GMT
Congratulations to Mark on winning and Tupps for making the final.
Another great Guernsey weekend , I must remember to pack shorts for next year , great weather.
With regards to what happened with Lewis , I too was shocked. I very rarely score , and only scored three matches over the weekend. I know there are a few people that score lots of games , who deserve a lot of praise. It does seem that we are always looking for scorers and it does slightly delay games, I hold my hands up to say I am guilty and should score more.
Without scorers the tournament would not happen so to therefore verbally abuse a scorer / fellow player , who may or may not have made a mistake is in no way acceptable.
Lewis made the effort to score the game , and whatever happened ( if it did ) he clearly did not do it on purpose.
Tom Oliver and the committee had a decision to make and made it and that should have been the end of it.
We must always take the scorers decision as final.
I am sure from previous posts this situation will be referred to the All England Committee, they will review it and decide what action is needed.
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Post by milhouse on May 8, 2013 10:43:19 GMT
Thanks for all the congratulations, am extremely happy with picking up my first singles National Title. Made up for being disappointed the day before in reaching the Pairs final for the 2nd year running and losing again :(
Just a slight correction to Tommo's post above, this was my 2nd singles final, having previously reached the final of the Pompey Open in 2007 (Plus i reached the final of the Alternate Rules in 2010).
A great weekend as always, with some good friends and plenty of laughs - especially the golf on Friday! ;)
Thanks to the admin desk for their work during the weekend, they must have put in some very long hours with the two opens, masters and international to look after!
Looking forward to going back next year.
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Post by beefy on May 8, 2013 11:06:41 GMT
Congrats also to Chris Tupper, for making his first final and beating me in the semis on the tough table 5 Yes table 5 was tricky for a conventional break but the reverse break went in like a charm as I found out in my qtr against Michelle
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 11:36:59 GMT
Just a slight correction to Tommo's post above, this was my 2nd singles final, having previously reached the final of the Pompey Open in 2007 (Plus i reached the final of the Alternate Rules in 2010). Begging your pardon on that one, congratulations then on your first national Title. Was your Pompey success really that long ago ? Where have the last 6 years gone ? :o :o :o
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Post by Sir Chancelot on May 8, 2013 11:57:56 GMT
Congrats also to Chris Tupper, for making his first final and beating me in the semis on the tough table 5 Yes table 5 was tricky for a conventional break but the reverse break went in like a charm as I found out in my qtr against Michelle I came up against The Warrior on this one, at the semi-final stage of the Plate singles. Put the ball on the wrong spot during my opening break ::) ::) ::) Won the first leg due to Dave's black in the first, but he mastered it in the second leg, and I bowed out, quite happy with my two semi-final appearances in the Plate competitions, and my semi-final in the Guernsey Masters ;D
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Post by milhouse on May 8, 2013 12:19:22 GMT
Just a slight correction to Tommo's post above, this was my 2nd singles final, having previously reached the final of the Pompey Open in 2007 (Plus i reached the final of the Alternate Rules in 2010). Begging your pardon on that one, congratulations then on your first national Title. Was your Pompey success really that long ago ? Where have the last 6 years gone ? :o :o :o I know, didn't think it was that long ago! Had only been playing 3 years at the time! Just coming up to the end of my 9th year of playing :)
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Post by BB Warrior on May 8, 2013 12:53:52 GMT
Yes table 5 was tricky for a conventional break but the reverse break went in like a charm as I found out in my qtr against Michelle I came up against The Warrior on this one, at the semi-final stage of the Plate singles. Put the ball on the wrong spot during my opening break ::) ::) ::) Won the first leg due to Dave's black in the first, but he mastered it in the second leg, and I bowed out, quite happy with my two semi-final appearances in the Plate competitions, and my semi-final in the Guernsey Masters ;D Stormin', it was actually (very tricky) Table 7 that we played our Plate Semi-Final match on... no wonder you missed your opening break shot if you were trying to get the ball in from two tables away!! :o ;D ;D ;D Well done for reaching the semi-finals of 3 different competitions over the course of the weekend. 8-) I think it was interesting that for the second year running that the tables positioned where 5,6 and 7 were this year have proved to be the hardest in the room.... perhaps the flooring is slighly different on that side of the room and that makes the tables "settle" differently? :-/ With the mixture of different types of cloth.... including a couple of "flying machine" speedcloths that were very, very quick.... the tables certainly offered varying challenges to all of the players during the competition and it was nice to have this rather than all of the tables playing (pretty much) the same which happens in most of the Opens we play. 8-) PS. Dear Organisers.... please can we have a practice table next year? ::) ;D
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Post by bigtj on May 8, 2013 15:08:22 GMT
An excellent weekend and thanks to the hotel for hosting and the organisers for their tireless work.
Well done to Mark and Chris for reaching the final. Mark his win and to Dave on the plate, and the plate runner up Geoff Pitt.
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Post by 4timeschamp on May 8, 2013 17:31:48 GMT
I had a wonderful time in guernsey in what was my first visit since the peninsular hotel. The hotel was lovely, staff friendly and drink and food was reasonably priced. Congratulations to all the winners and runners ups. The tables were in general very challenging but very enjoyable to pit your wits against. Something which in all honestly I failed to do as I felt I played retry poorly all weekend. At least I didn't let my partner Trevor down as we were as bad as each other. Lol The only bad part of the weekend, as other people have mentioned cane on Sunday afternoon. What I saw and heard from Kevin was the worst verbal attack on anyone in bar billiards I have ever heard. I didn't see the game in question but from what I understand he believes the scorer Lewis Stratford put up the score incorrectly. This may well have happened by mistake but Kevin has been playing this game long enough to know it is his responsibility to check the score has been put up correctly. He then displayed a level of anger not fitting for anybody let alone the England captain. After he wasn't given his rematch, which never should be allowed he then verbally attacked Lewis which was absolutely disgusting. I believe other things were said in the car park and to the guernsey officials but I was not party to this. I sincerely hope some action is taken by the AEBBA as mindless ranting and swearing at match officials cannot be allowed however big in the game you are.
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Post by shaggy on May 8, 2013 18:50:00 GMT
I don't post on this forum very much, I have heard directly from my son and I have read all the posts on here , I wonder when sir kt is going to come on here and enlighten us all on what happened on sunday afternoon in Guernsey , I for one would like to hear what he has to say on the above matter , SO COME ON KEVIN , LOG IN AND TELL US .
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Post by chellster on May 8, 2013 20:21:44 GMT
Having spent the majority of the weekend with Lewis I saw how much this upset him and to be honest the thing that upset him most was the comment "I only partnered you three years ago because I felt sorry for you" this was not only unpleasant but bloody hurtful. Apart from all else that was said this was by far the comment that hurt Lewis the most. On a personal note I got barred along with Chris Oakley last year which I accept was a fair punishment for our drunken behaviour but we did not insult abuse or maliciously frighten anyone and I hope the aebba take this matter seriously as it was a very nasty personal attack in someone that is just starting out in our beloved game and who I hope will continue to play in spite of this episode. All credit to Lewis for acting maturely over this xxxx
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Post by Sir Chancelot on May 8, 2013 20:36:22 GMT
Well done for reaching the semi-finals of 3 different competitions over the course of the weekend. 8-) D Lost to the three eventual winners in all three competitions; Bob Chapple in Guernsey Masters. The two Kevs in Pairs Plate (My partner El Tel) Dave Ingram in Plate Singles. Don't think I will ever top this performance again :o
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Post by Chris_Sav on May 8, 2013 20:38:56 GMT
Wearing my hat as forum moderator I am closing this thread to further comment as enough has been said and this forum is not judge and jury. I need to read through what has been posted this afternoon and talk to staff before acting.
Wearing my hat as an AEBBA committee member I have received a complaint related to this which I believe has gone to other members of the committee. I have just talked to Phil Hawkins who is having computer problems and am in process of bringing him up to speed with the background to what is going on. I thus cannot comment at this stage on what has been sent to me directly.
Chris Saville
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Post by barbelman on May 9, 2013 15:15:40 GMT
We have decided to unlock this thread but we feel enough has been said about 'the incident'. To be fair to all parties any further comments or opinions about it will be deleted immediately and possible action taken against transgressors.
Please feel free to continue to praise or comment about the Guernsey Open 2013 on this thread though ;D
Tony
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Post by BB Warrior on May 9, 2013 15:29:26 GMT
We have decided to unlock this thread but we feel enough has been said about 'the incident'. To be fair to all parties any further comments or opinions about it will be deleted immediately and possible action taken against transgressors. Please feel free to continue to praise or comment about the Guernsey Open 2013 on this thread though ;D Tony Tony, could I suggest that the posts about "the incident" are moved to the Members Only Section which would leave this thread purely for comments about the winners, matches, hotel and the other good parts of the weekend? ;)
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 16:05:57 GMT
Tony, could I suggest that the posts about "the incident" are moved to the Members Only Section which would leave this thread purely for comments about the winners, matches, hotel and the other good parts of the weekend? ;) I would like to second this excellent suggestion.
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Post by BB Warrior on May 9, 2013 16:41:24 GMT
So are you saying we should put all the negatives about an open in a 'members only' section? No, not at all.... I feel that the Forum is the ideal place to comment on an Open and feedback (positive and negative) about the venue, tables and organisation of a competition will always be useful to the people running it. ;) But I do feel that when "personal issues" start to be aired and players named individually that it would be in the best interests of the game that these should only be available to be viewed by members of the Forum and not by casual visitors.... especially on occasions when a formal complaint has been made about an incident. As Sav stated above.... this forum is not judge and jury
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Post by barbelman on May 9, 2013 18:11:36 GMT
We have decided to unlock this thread but we feel enough has been said about 'the incident'. To be fair to all parties any further comments or opinions about it will be deleted immediately and possible action taken against transgressors. Please feel free to continue to praise or comment about the Guernsey Open 2013 on this thread though ;D Tony Tony, could I suggest that the posts about "the incident" are moved to the Members Only Section which would leave this thread purely for comments about the winners, matches, hotel and the other good parts of the weekend? ;) I think the posts are a little too convoluted to do that Dave even if I thought it was a good idea. No-one has been offensive, thank goodness. Best to leave as it is for now but thanks to you and Tommo for the suggestion. Tony
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Post by barbelman on May 9, 2013 18:19:28 GMT
May I add my sincere thanks and congratulations to the Guernsey committee on an excellent event and of course to all the winners who were so generously rewarded. Les Rocquettes is a splendid hotel and the staff are superb and cannot do enough for you - even the breakfast lady was very smiley this year ;D Function room is a little small but we can't do much about that...
Even though I exited both comps very early my highlights were Nigel's 17K break on the top table (one of the best I've ever seen), the whiting and chips we had on Herm on Monday and Michelle 'outing' me to the whole world on Friday night :-/ ::) ;D
Thanks everyone
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Post by Sir Chancelot on May 9, 2013 19:41:51 GMT
Good job you enjoyed the Whiting in Herm. Good to hear this instead of a load of Pollocks ::)
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Post by oge on May 9, 2013 19:45:59 GMT
We in guernsey would like to thank all of you that travelled over to support our small event. We still have a lot to learn and appreciate all feedback.
We will endeavour to improve all the tables to the same level as table 1. For those that did play on it will agree it is a joy to play on.
It is interesting that tables 5,6 and 7 were the bad tables again although we mixed them up and table 5 has been the islands best league table this year.
We will also do our best to get a practice table in for next year.
The prize fund for the guernsey open is very generous and for that we need to thank a very generous person who wishes to remain anonymous.
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Post by barbelman on May 9, 2013 21:47:18 GMT
Good job you enjoyed the Whiting in Herm. Good to hear this instead of a load of Pollocks ::) Haha...Norman, it was some of the tastiest whitefish I have ever eaten (at the Ship?) Tony
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Post by Sir Chancelot on May 10, 2013 7:17:34 GMT
Good job you enjoyed the Whiting in Herm. Good to hear this instead of a load of Pollocks ::) Haha...Norman, it was some of the tastiest whitefish I have ever eaten (at the Ship?) Tony A lot of people discard Pollock for bait. However I love it freshly caught, and to sell it to the "grockles" it is often called Guernsey Whiting. If you ever get the chance try Garfish (green bones when cooked) Known locally as Longnose. If you like mackerel you will love Longnose. Also used mainly for bait, especially in crab and lobster pots as it has a strong smell.
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