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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 9, 2013 19:01:31 GMT
sorry Carl I would have knocked at your door but I was in a hurry to, I had a job to do down near wembley and I had promised I would try to be there by 11 (no chance)
I'm sure I'll be up that way again soon and it would be really good to have a chat before your grand event.
One thing I did notice though is all the parking seems to be for residents only or a max of 2 hours, lol are you hoping all us non-locals will get knocked out early so we don't have to get parking tickets ;)
Is the venue that building at the end of your road oppisite the pub?
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 9, 2013 20:12:56 GMT
lol i like to complicate things.
If we are going to be using 3 pin tables and the spots for the 2 white pegs are not removed I can see them interfering with shots as they seem to be in line with a lot of shots played up and down the table into the 100, 200 and 50 holes.
Also will you be moving the "red spot" so it is halfway between the lip of the 200 hole and the baulk line (as stated in the Sudbury Rules)? I hope you do but this will also mean the original break spot will need to be romoved as that will be directly inline with the break shot.
Our league finally restarts tomorrow night after the Christmas break so if I remember I will take a tape measure with me so I can find out what the size of our playing area really is
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 10, 2013 12:10:08 GMT
cheque in post for Colin Southouse Eastbourne Scared?
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 10, 2013 14:36:37 GMT
Would like to attend for the experience but there are no direct trains to Norwich from London that day due to engineering works. Sav If you really wanna go and can get to Sudbury or Colchester train stations I can pick you up from there but you might have to slum it in my van as I will be "on call" Problem may be getting home as I dont know what time the last trains are plus I was intending to have (quite)a few drinks and get a B&B for the night and drive back on the Sunday Thanks for the offer by the way, but I can get up via Cambridge if I decide to go Sav
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 10, 2013 17:05:00 GMT
No probs Chris, just give me a shout if you get stuck
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 15, 2013 0:20:34 GMT
lol i like to complicate things. If we are going to be using 3 pin tables and the spots for the 2 white pegs are not removed I can see them interfering with shots as they seem to be in line with a lot of shots played up and down the table into the 100, 200 and 50 holes. Also will you be moving the "red spot" so it is halfway between the lip of the 200 hole and the baulk line (as stated in the Sudbury Rules)? I hope you do but this will also mean the original break spot will need to be romoved as that will be directly inline with the break shot. Our league finally restarts tomorrow night after the Christmas break so if I remember I will take a tape measure with me so I can find out what the size of our playing area really is Hi 4-pin fans Just checking....has anyone noticed that the 4 pins "D"s may be a lot bigger than the 3-pin variety? regs cs
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Post by triplex on Jan 15, 2013 8:28:24 GMT
Not many home entries at the moment ???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 10:40:49 GMT
Just checking....has anyone noticed that the 4 pins "D"s may be a lot bigger than the 3-pin variety? regs cs They're a different shape altogether, narrower and slightly longer to mimic the difference in table dimensions. But as you know, they're playing the East Anglian Open on AEBBA-supplied tables, and I would think there would be no plan to change the D's for that, just the positions of the spots.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 15, 2013 12:41:28 GMT
Just checking....has anyone noticed that the 4 pins "D"s may be a lot bigger than the 3-pin variety? regs cs They're a different shape altogether, narrower and slightly longer to mimic the difference in table dimensions. But as you know, they're playing the East Anglian Open on AEBBA-supplied tables, and I would think there would be no plan to change the D's for that, just the positions of the spots. not bothering me tommo but hope all the 4 pin players realise ::) ::) regs cs
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 15, 2013 12:42:08 GMT
It would be foolhardy to risk damage to the cloth by ripping 'D's off. Best left alone.
Moving spots is easy enough.
Sav
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 15, 2013 19:02:47 GMT
i dont see the size or shape of the "D" being any problem. A lot of tables around here have small "D"s. I was just a little concerned about the old spots remaining as we all know a raised spot on the table will effect a ball if it runs over it. if this works it should be a link to the table we play on in the Sudbury League sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385218_10151244921173121_1772884914_n.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 19:32:52 GMT
I'm surprised, nay, amazed.....that's what we recognise as being a "Supreme" table, of modern construction. They are not really favoured locally as a) the earliest ones had an MDF base rather than a slate base, and b) they have the pool table-style coin mechanism which is too close to the tray and on which you can snag your hand. All this apart, they are (or so we thought) the full-width (made for 3-Pin) so I am very surprised to see one such table being used for 4-Pin league matches !
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 15, 2013 20:08:19 GMT
well us people in Suffolk are poor and have to take what we are given. I don't know of any narrow tables around here, but I have only been back playing for a few weeks and still have plenty of the pubs to visit.
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 16, 2013 20:00:51 GMT
Not many home entries at the moment ??? Sorry, Updated now :) We play on various different tables in Norwich too, the size of the D really doesn't matter to us either
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 16, 2013 20:15:51 GMT
hey Carl I just thought, do you think it would be wise to leave my Ipswich hat and scarf at home :P
On a serious note, are they any good hotels near by and what is the parking like? when I drove past your house everywhere seemed to be 2 hours max or residents parking. The chances are I will be "on Call" so will have my van with me and its too high to fit in most multi story car parks and I dont fancy leaving on some dodgy back road as it will be full of tools and materials
Oh and don't worry about the size and shape of the D on the tables, I have plenty of black marker pens ;)
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 17, 2013 11:08:04 GMT
hey Carl I just thought, do you think it would be wise to leave my Ipswich hat and scarf at home :P On a serious note, are they any good hotels near by and what is the parking like? when I drove past your house everywhere seemed to be 2 hours max or residents parking. The chances are I will be "on Call" so will have my van with me and its too high to fit in most multi story car parks and I dont fancy leaving on some dodgy back road as it will be full of tools and materials Oh and don't worry about the size and shape of the D on the tables, I have plenty of black marker pens ;) Hi Dave and all, I am still waiting for replies from various Hotels and B+Bs but I have just found this on the Groupon website www.groupon.co.uk/deals/norwich/HolidayInnNorwich/333058 , if anyone isnt familiar with Groupon, have a look at the website, its free to join and you get some great value discounts on lots of different things. This particular one is for the Holiday Inn in Norwich, 60% off for 2, which includes Breakfast, Dinner and a Glass of Bubbly!!! (Dave, you may have to leave that hat and scarf at home after all, because it connected to the theatre of sexy football at the fortress Carrow Road!!)
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 17, 2013 11:20:42 GMT
Hi Dave and all, I am still waiting for replies from various Hotels and B+Bs but I have just found this on the Groupon website www.groupon.co.uk/deals/norwich/HolidayInnNorwich/333058 , if anyone isnt familiar with Groupon, have a look at the website, its free to join and you get some great value discounts on lots of different things. This particular one is for the Holiday Inn in Norwich, 60% off for 2, which includes Breakfast, Dinner and a Glass of Bubbly!!! (Dave, you may have to leave that hat and scarf at home after all, because it connected to the theatre of sexy football at the fortress Carrow Road!!) Oh dear, it looks like that deal has expired, but still worth keeping your eye open for anymore hotels that come up on there, or there is another one called www.tickles.co.uk you can keep your eye out for. Ill keep searching.....
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 17, 2013 11:49:49 GMT
Ok, just for your info, Ive listed below some hotels in and around Norwich, all listed are ones that are closest to the Bar Billiards Open venue, purely because for example, there are 4 Holiday Inns in Norwich, the one I have listed is the one at Norwich City Football Club at Carrow Road. Ill start with that one... Holiday Inn Norwich, NCFC at Carrow Road, 1.5 miles from venue www.holidayinn.com/hotels/gb/en/norwich/nwicr/hoteldetailPremiere Inn Norwich, opposite the train station, 1.5 miles from Venue www.premierinn.com/en/checkHotel/NORNEL/norwich-nelson-city-centrePremiere Inn. 0.6 miles from Venue, 1 minute walk from The Golden Star, 2 minutes walk from The White Lion, 3 minutes walk from the Kings Head, 5 minutes walk from The Cottage, which are all of our Bar Billiards pubs. www.premierinn.com/en/hotel/NORCIT/norwich-city-centre-duke-street?cmp=GLBCNo.17 Bed and Breakfast, have 8 rooms, only 0.5miles from Venue and closest to all Bar Billiards Pubs, really nice B+B but a bit pricey www.number17norwich.co.uk/The Lansdowne Hotel Norwich, near the train station, about 2 miles from Venue. Ive had a few friends stay here, recommended. (Awaiting a call with regard to a discount) www.lansdownenorwich.co.uk/Maids Head Hotel. 0.8 miles to Venue, really nice hotel. www.maidsheadhotel.co.uk/Gothic House Hotel. 0.5 miles from venue, its just behind one of our Bar Billiards pubs (The Kings Head), really lovely hotel, bit pricey but has secure car parking with automatic gates. www.gothic-house-norwich.com/Gothic/Welcome.htmlHope this helps a little bit
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 17, 2013 16:38:23 GMT
Just had a call from the Lansdowne Hotel, They normally charge around £80.00 per night with Breakfast, If you do book with them, mention my name (Carl Robinson) and they will do rooms for 2 people for £60.00 per night Website address is www.lansdownenorwich.co.uk/
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 19, 2013 15:04:43 GMT
Carl what rules are we using in the East Anglian 4 pin open?
During our league match on Thursday, where we were thrashed 6-1 with our only winner being one of our 83 year olds, we had some lengthy discussions about the Open, most of us are under the impression that we will be using the Sudbury Rules but some had a different opinion. I just need to clarify this once and for all.
By the way it seems I wont be the only one wearing the Blue and White of the mighty tractor boys on the day so I am thinking a hotel near to your little football pitch may not be a good idea ;)
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Post by milko on Jan 19, 2013 15:39:38 GMT
45 entrants so far then!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 15:50:33 GMT
Translates as just 9 home slots and 10 away slots left. Can't see any entrants from Wellingborough yet. :o :o
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 19, 2013 16:03:40 GMT
I understand they all talk a bit funny north of the thames, will have to get some practice in talking "norfolk" or wont be able to understand the scorers :o ::) ;D
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 19, 2013 16:31:40 GMT
Rules of Play 1.In all matches, a coin shall be tossed to determine the order of play. The away player to call. 2.To start the game, place the red ball on the spot above the 'D' and play a white ball from the centre of the 'D'. The centre of the 'D' should be marked with a spot. Thereafter, with the exception of further break shots, and the last ball, the cue ball may be played from any position within the confines of the 'D'. All strokes throughout the game must be played from the 'D'. 3.The player must not play the cue ball directly into a hole. The cue ball must first strike another ball to become a scoring shot. 4.When the red ball is sunk, the score of that ball is doubled. The red ball must then be played from the 'D'. 5.When all balls are in play, and none left in the tray, the ball nearest to the baulk line is returned and played from the 'D' to continue the game. If two or more balls are equidistant from the baulk line the ball nearest to the centre should be returned to continue play as it is "nearest to the D". 6.When no balls are left in play, the red and white balls are positioned as for the start of the game. 7.When a ball returns to the baulk area, that ball is removed to the tray. 8.If a peg is knocked over by a ball and cannot be replaced because of obstruction by a ball, that ball shall be removed to the tray. The peg must be replaced to its correct position. 9.If a peg is knocked from its correct position without falling over, it shall remain in that position until the player has concluded his/her break. It will then be replaced correctly. If the ball is touching the peg, and the peg has not been removed from its correct position, that ball shall remain in play, and NOT be removed from the table. 10.If a ball and peg are wedged in a hole together, the peg is to be removed first and the ball allowed to drop down the hole and not returned to the tray even after the gate has dropped. 11.Each player continues until a non-scoring shot is played. 12.Once a player leaves the table their break is deemed over, should a ball fall down a hole after they have left the table this will not count towards their break or their opponents break unless their opponent has first struck the cue ball whether or not it strikes another ball. 13.Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double. 14.The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break. 15.The player, or pair of players in doubles games, with the highest total score at the end of the game, will be deemed the winner/s. In the event of the scores being equal the game will be drawn and each team will be awarded half a game. (One point) each. Foul Shots 1.The player looses his/her entire score if :-1.The last ball is holed without striking a cushion. 2.The player causes the peg covering the 200 hole to be knocked over. 2.The player looses the score of that break if :-1.The cue ball fails to strike another ball. 2.Any ball returns to the baulk. (The 'D' counts as baulk). 3.The same break shot is played more than three times in succession. 4.The player causes any peg, other than that covering the '200' hole, to be knocked over. 5.The player fails to play the red ball when it is available. 6.Any ball leaves the table, or strikes the backboard, even if that ball returns to the normal play area. 7.Any ball is played other than from the 'D'. 8.The player causes any ball to move other than a shot played correctly from the 'D'. 9.If a break shot or final ball is not played from the centre of the 'D'. 3.If a combination of foul shots occur, then, regardless of sequence of events, the player shall suffer the greater penalty. Table Rules •Pegs shall be placed (the baulk line side) to cover the 200 hole, the 100 hole, and the two 50 holes. •The spot for the red ball for the break shall be exactly halfway between the rim of the 200 hole closest to the baulk line, and the baulk line. •The number of balls shall be six white and one red. •Tables must be maintained in good condition, and spare cues and chalk must always be provided. Hope that helps, They are the rules we use in the Sudbury League. I dont think there are too many differences apart from. The same break shot can only be played 3 times in succession. But after the third you can play a mirror image of the previous 3 break shots. i.e red down the left hand 10 hole and white in the RH 50 hole 3 times and then change to red down the RH 10 and white down LH 50 etc. The red ball must always be used when it is available. after the Bar has dropped and if there is only one ball remaining this must be played from the centre of the D into ANY hole off any cushion/s. All the Pins are left standing and the final ball can be potted in ANY hole off the side cushion and its the greater foul that counts rather than the first one
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 19, 2013 16:41:11 GMT
Hi Dave,
We will be using the Sudbury rules yes, although there is one rule you use which we have just noticed and we are a little confused about, which obviously need to iron out before the day. Its the rule on the final ball. Cant understand why the 5 holes at the back arnt covered (scoreboard lowered) and the mushrooms arnt put in the 50 holes? From what i can make out, this rule is used by most (if not all) bar billiards leagues? I may be wrong and would love to know.
Another rule we have is no blue and white rags permitted in Norwich venues hahaha😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 16:51:28 GMT
Another rule we have is no blue and white rags permitted in Norwich venues hahaha😉 QPR, Blackburn Rovers and Reading shirts banned as well, then! ;D
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 19, 2013 17:01:14 GMT
Another rule we have is no blue and white rags permitted in Norwich venues hahaha😉 QPR, Blackburn Rovers and Reading shirts banned as well, then! ;D And a real team.... Brighton & Hove Albion! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 17:03:43 GMT
Hi Dave, We will be using the Sudbury rules yes, although there is one rule you use which we have just noticed and we are a little confused about, which obviously need to iron out before the day. Its the rule on the final ball. Cant understand why the 5 holes at the back arnt covered (scoreboard lowered) and the mushrooms arnt put in the 50 holes? From what i can make out, this rule is used by most (if not all) bar billiards leagues? I may be wrong and would love to know. I think what 3-Pin leagues do on this should not be a governing factor for your Open, it's something the 4-Pinners should agree on between yourselves. Suggest you have a word with the other 4-Pin league, Wellingborough, to see what their rule on the last ball is: at least that will then provide a 'majority verdict'.
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 19, 2013 18:08:45 GMT
we have always played the rule that the last ball can be played into any hole but it must hit at least one cushion first. It just stops the stupid situation when one player cant be caught and there is only one ball left on the table, the player in front will take a half hearted attempt to pot the last ball with no intention of going near the black peg while the other player wont try to pot the ball as he cant win unless his opponent topples the black, this a game could be extended by several minutes. Any reasonable player can play his shot in such a way it would be very hard for a referee to call it a foul shot especially if the shot was directed towards the 100 hole
on our tables the one hundred shot off the side is very hard, remember there is a peg guarding the hole and the 50 holes are in the way of a straight forward shot off the side cushions. On a 3 pin table there is NO peg by the 100 hole
I cant see any Sudbury players objecting to what ever last ball rule is decided on, but if we are going to play by the Sudbury rules with one amendment we need to let people know asap
Anyway that has been the rule in the Sudbury league for at least the last 35 years
We should invite some more colours along, we already have yellow, green, blue and white, what about some red, claret and even some green too ;D
if my smiley doesn't work this time , i give up :P :(
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 19, 2013 18:16:19 GMT
Translates as just 9 home slots and 10 away slots left. Can't see any entrants from Wellingborough yet. :o :o after talking at our match on Thursday there are at least another 4 TOP PLAYERS from the Sudbury League planning to make the trip north
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