All England County Championships.

[dipper]

I see it was played at the weekend, what was our team on the day?, if we were a player short could they not have taken one from the `B` team to make up a full squad, as the `As` have priority. Either team has not been mentioned on proboards.

[JB]

It was the B team that was short of a player

The A team was
Dave Ingram
Jim Millward
Nigel Senior
Kevin Tunstall
Kevin Hall
Martin Cole
ian Lelliott

B TEAM
TonyJenner
Jim Greensted
Henry Brooks
Matt Knight
Terry Molloy
Colin Southouse

Although I was there in the singles andI could have played the AEBBA rules state you cannot play in both competitions

[neilh]

Interesting selection policy. Whilst I have the greatest respect for those involved, all of whom are very good players deserving of consideration, there is no way this is the strongest B team that Sussex could have fielded. I can only assume there were several people unavailable. If selection is a reward for those that support Opens/inter-league/Sussex comps etc., then that's fine. If not, then shouldn't we put out our strongest available team?

[Chris_Sav]

Sept 21, 2015 16:52:26 GMT JB said:

It was the B team that was short of a player


Although I was there in the singles and I could have played the AEBBA rules state you cannot play in both competitions

Nothing in the rules stopping you playing in both that I can remember off-hand.

[JB]

The teams were picked at the selection meeting after the agm.
There were a some people unavailable and also some very late and last minute dropouts

[gandalf the untidy]

I understand Tony Jenner (non playing captain) took over from Richard Wooton who i believe was a last day drop out, another 1st choice was Mike Daw who was unavailable due to work and who gave plenty of notice. Seven players were picked at the AGM and as far as i remember 5 reserves as well. So i say well done TJ for getting any kind of team there on the day. The one player missing was a result of an accident en route, which as far as i believe is outside of our control. If there are those who wish to be considered to play in either the Sussex A or B please declare an interest to the SCCBA secretary prior to the next AGM, it would give the committee more scope to pick players they would know will be available if selected.

regs cs

[BB Warrior]

Sept 21, 2015 18:06:37 GMT JB said:

The teams were picked at the selection meeting after the agm.
There were a some people unavailable and also some very late and last minute dropouts

For some reason there always seems to be an area of mystery around the way that the Sussex County Teams are selected, perhaps it is time that some clarity is given to the way that the players are picked.

The Selection Committee consists of people that hold official positions within SCBBA and a meeting is held immediately after the AGM has finished to pick the teams (Open and Ladies) for the County Championships later that year.

The Selection Committee are given a sheet that shows the performance of ALL players that are likely to be considered for the County Teams, that sheet shows their Sussex Ranking at the end of the previous season, details of their performances in Inter League, One Day Inter League and also the Sussex Individual Competitions (Singles, Sussex Masters and Sussex Off-the-Spot) that were played during the last season together with performance for County Teams last year and also their AEBBA National Rankings, if applicable.

All of that information combined should give a good indication of which players have performed well during the previous season, although obviously there is a "bias" towards players that have taken part in the competitions.... but what is wrong with that? Surely the county should be looking towards players that support County and National events when it comes to selecting the teams?

Each member of the Selection Committee votes first for the 7 players that should be selected for the A Team, once all of the votes have been made the players with the most votes are selected. If 2 (or more) players have the same number of votes for the final position(s) available, a second vote is taken involving just those players to decide the position. Once the A Team has been selected, any players that had received votes for the A team but had not been chosen would be considered for the B Team and another vote is carried out with any other nominations being treated in the same way as in the previous vote for the A team. Reserves are then selected (in order of votes received) from the remaining players.

This year there were a total of 33 players considered for the 14 places in the Open County Teams and 20 Ladies considered for the 2 Ladies County Teams.

Of the players selected for the Open County A Team, all 7 players accepted their places and played on Sunday. Only 2 of the 7 picked originally for the Open County B Team actually played on the day with 5 of the reserves taking the remaining places in the team, although 1 of those unfortunately was unable to make it on the day due to an accident on the M4 leaving the B Team one player short on the day.

Obviously, there are many very good players who did not play for either of the County Teams last weekend, we all know who they are. Some of those players had been selected but were not available, some others have previously told the county selectors that they do not want to play for the county teams in the future, even more were considered but not picked on this occasion.

No selection method is perfect as we all have different views about players.... but I can't think of a fairer system than the one that we use at the moment?

[BB Warrior]

Sept 21, 2015 16:40:26 GMT dipper said:

I see it was played at the weekend, what was our team on the day?, if we were a player short could they not have taken one from the `B` team to make up a full squad, as the `As` have priority. Either team has not been mentioned on proboards.

Here are the players that were originally selected for the Open County teams this year....

Sussex A
Dave Ingram (Captain)
Kevin Tunstall
Nigel Senior
Ian Lelliott
Martin Cole
Kevin Hall
Jim Millward

Sussex B
Jim Greensted
Mike Daw
Martin Smith
Colin Southouse
Richard Wooton
Gareth Lloyd
Alan Brackenridge
Tony Jenner (Non-Playing Captain)

The replacements that took the places of the players that were not available for the B Team were all listed among the reserves chosen by the selection committee at the meeting.

[BB Warrior]

Sept 21, 2015 18:04:13 GMT Chris_Sav said:

Sept 21, 2015 16:52:26 GMT JB said:

It was the B team that was short of a player


Although I was there in the singles and I could have played the AEBBA rules state you cannot play in both competitions

Nothing in the rules stopping you playing in both that I can remember off-hand.

The AEBBA Secretary, who was running the competition, advised that Jean would not be permitted to play under the rules. I believe that he had referred to the current AEBBA Rules before making that decision.

[Chris_Sav]

Sept 22, 2015 13:05:12 GMT BB Warrior said:

Sept 21, 2015 18:04:13 GMT Chris_Sav said:

Nothing in the rules stopping you playing in both that I can remember off-hand.

The AEBBA Secretary, who was running the competition, advised that Jean would not be permitted to play under the rules. I believe that he had referred to the current AEBBA Rules before making that decision.

There is nothing in the current rules that would have prevented any of the ladies' individuals from playing in the Open Intercounties on the same day.

Lady players are even permitted to play in both the Open Intercounties and the Ladies Intercounties.

The ONLY restriction on playing on the same day in the rules is regarding not playing in age-related competitions and the Grand Prix on the same day.

[NigelS]

Dave' summary of the selection process is in my view accurate. I very much doubt any other county goes into that much detail in there selection. What happens thereafter is not in the control of the commitee I am afraid.

Regardless of rules, I think we would have morally been wrong to allow jean to play subsequent games after sussex b missed their first game against sussex a. Had she taken a game off kent after sussex a got a free leg meaning we would have won by a point would have certainly led to a very unsatisfactory end to the day.

Sent from my G620S-L01 using proboards

[SirKT]

That is a good point Nige, it would have been unfair doing it that way. Allowing for Jean's Individual schedule, she could have played in only 3 of the team matches, therefore two teams would have had byes.

[dipper]

Should always turn up with a reserve no excuse, their are enough great players in Sussex willing and very able to play at this standard, also why was Gareth Lloyd selected for the `B` team, a certainty for the `A` in my book????

[NigelS]

Not easy to bring a reserve when someone drops out the day before. Plus who is willing to go up to didcot on the basis they will only play if someone does not make it. No other team there I saw had reserves.......

The 7 picked were fairly unanimous across 6 commitee members. Although always players will crop up that other people think should be picked. Gareth doesnt play hardly any tournaments these days, we could say the same about mariner, race etc etc so there inclusion becomes hard to justify

Of course you could come on the selection commitee next year Roger?



Sent from my G620S-L01 using proboards

[dipper]

Back in the day their was always a reserve player who got games, as usually somebody was out of form during the tournament, as proved this year with Jim (no offence Jim).
I would be interested in being on the selection commitee.

[BB Warrior]

Sept 22, 2015 16:54:01 GMT dipper said:

Should always turn up with a reserve no excuse, their are enough great players in Sussex willing and very able to play at this standard, also why was Gareth Lloyd selected for the `B` team, a certainty for the `A` in my book????

Hi Roger, I am sure that nobody would disagree with you that Gareth is certainly one of the best players there have ever been in Sussex, his national record over the years proves that.... but is it fair to pick somebody for that reason in preference to someone who is in the Top 10 of the rankings because they have played well during the last season?

As I previously stated, we all have our own views on who should or should not play for the county teams, ultimately the decision is made by the selection committee (7 or 8 people I think?) and then the Captains approach each player selected to see if they would be available to actually play. Sadly, Gareth was not available to play anyway and I could give you a fairly long list of other great players who have also turned down places both this year and in the past....

With regards to having a reserve, Tony Jenner was going as a Non-Playing Captain until he was advised on the day before the competition that one player was not available.... nobody can then anticipate another player not actually being able to get to the venue on the day due to an accident closing a motorway in the section that they are on so I feel the comment about "no excuse" for not having a reserve us rather unjustified.

[gandalf the untidy]

Thats it in a nutshell Dave thanks for taking the time to write up the selection process

[H]

Without turning this to myself, I surely can't be the only one that works shifts and weekends and is therefore completely unable to take part in most of these competitions and opens. I can only assume that this was taken into consideration by the selection committee when I was chosen as a reserve, and I felt very privelaged, as I did on the two previous occasions that I made the team, to be asked to play. I would also like to think that I pulled my weight on the day.

There are too many factors to consider and I think the committee have a very tough decision to make.