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Post by Hammy on Oct 12, 2010 6:30:07 GMT
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Well done to all the team for winning the league. :D
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Post by Colemanator on Oct 12, 2010 7:59:17 GMT
Well done, level on points, but one extra win.
It's been a long summer league, maybe too long.
I'd like to suggest for next summer this; The teams are split in two groups, Northampton central and Northants rural, or West Northants and East Northants, scrap the handicaps, and play all games 'off the spot' this would basically level out the big scores, then the winner from each group play in the final, home and away.
That based on current teams, would be five in central/West, and four in rural/East, which is fine. This will shorten the duration of the league. There has to be a break at some stage, and at the moment that's one week :-/
Roll on winter league, The Fox are ready 8-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 8:38:37 GMT
Ian
I think that off the spot would actually play against the lesser players as much as the better. However I do agree on the handicap issue.
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Post by Gerry T (R.I.P.) on Oct 12, 2010 8:52:50 GMT
Headland FC 4 Exiled 0 :)
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Post by bigstew on Oct 12, 2010 16:37:29 GMT
Well done, level on points, but one extra win. It's been a long summer league, maybe too long. I'd like to suggest for next summer this; The teams are split in two groups, Northampton central and Northants rural, or West Northants and East Northants, scrap the handicaps, and play all games 'off the spot' this would basically level out the big scores, then the winner from each group play in the final, home and away. That based on current teams, would be five in central/West, and four in rural/East, which is fine. This will shorten the duration of the league. There has to be a break at some stage, and at the moment that's one week :-/ Roll on winter league, The Fox are ready 8-) Like the idea of the geographical split, not that we'd stand a chance of going through! :P |
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Post by Dave The Shirt on Oct 12, 2010 18:45:39 GMT
I like the idea of returning the summer league back to 2 groups & regionalising it. As for scrapping the handicaps & playing off the spot i'm not so sure.
the playing off the spot is an excellent idea but this will only really help those better players, so i feel there would still need to be a handicap system to allow the lesser players to enjoy the summer league as they have in the past.
If it had not been for the handicaps in the summer I may well never have took the game up.
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Post by bigstew on Oct 12, 2010 19:40:15 GMT
I like the idea of returning the summer league back to 2 groups & regionalising it. As for scrapping the handicaps & playing off the spot i'm not so sure. the playing off the spot is an excellent idea but this will only really help those better players, so i feel there would still need to be a handicap system to allow the lesser players to enjoy the summer league as they have in the past. If it had not been for the handicaps in the summer I may well never have took the game up. Similar situation for me Dave, as i found a new player interested in the game. But he may not of been if he had been getting whacked each week! |
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Post by Colemanator on Oct 12, 2010 22:18:14 GMT
I do agree with you both, the problem is however,and has been for a long time, the consistency of the tables, a table average would need to be worked out, and combined / deducted from the player average, this would then maybe level out the difference between the abilities of the players.
It is very difficult to find the fairest way to do it, i'm afraid. Personaly, I don't think this summer league has benefited up and coming players at all. The other thing is also, the summer league used to be used as a tool to bring in newcomers to the game, but there hasn't been many at all recently, like there used to be..............I could blame Playstations and Xboxes for that, and a decline, of course in people using pubs and clubs :-/
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Post by triplex on Oct 13, 2010 16:29:11 GMT
I must agree i like the sound of a change, off the spot could be quite fun, we could still use a similar type of average avantage or just simply have the averages at the end of the season divided into a certain amount of block ( ie in 5's ) and the bottom starts from 500 average and each block increase's by an agreed amount. ;D
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Post by triplex on Oct 13, 2010 16:34:35 GMT
Exiles 1 Rushden Cons 3 Well done to all the team for winning the league. :D Well done lads, i knew we should not of gave you that 4 - 0 win at Rushden so you could keep up with us :P ::) CONGRATULATIONS RUSHDEN ON ANOTHER GREAT WIN.......CAPTAIN STAYING ON NOW THEN!!!!! :o ;D ;D |
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Post by Hammy on Oct 14, 2010 6:22:08 GMT
No getting out while the going is good! ;D
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Post by triplex on Oct 14, 2010 19:35:23 GMT
Well at least you have gained an extra driver now.....How many times you gonna make him drive ??? :o ;D
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Post by Hammy on Oct 15, 2010 6:38:02 GMT
We only have one driver now. His name is Sir Gaylord Lord of Ectonshire. Sixth best drinking champion at Rushden Cons! ;D
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Post by Colemanator on Oct 15, 2010 8:51:58 GMT
it'll be a shock to him having to drive and drink cokes all night ;D
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Post by iestntfc on Oct 18, 2010 12:15:55 GMT
I'm being a bit stupid here but what does "off the spot"mean?
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Post by Gerry T (R.I.P.) on Oct 18, 2010 12:52:29 GMT
Iestyn
"Off the spot" means every shot is played from the white spot in the D. You cannot play from anywhere in the D.
Hope that is clear.
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Post by Q on Oct 18, 2010 22:26:02 GMT
It shyould be called ON the spot really 8-) ;)
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Post by iestntfc on Oct 19, 2010 9:20:30 GMT
Iestyn "Off the spot" means every shot is played from the white spot in the D. You cannot play from anywhere in the D. Hope that is clear. That makes sense, but I don't think this would be fair for lesser players as surely better players will have more skill to make the shots and thus giving them the advantage or is that the idea? ;D The summer league was ment to be a bit of fun with everyone having a chance of winning it, but that spirit has seemed to have gone. If anything the advantage needs to be put back in favour of the weaker players so we dont have the same teams winning the summer and winter leagues, The whole point of a handicap system is to make a level playing field but it obvious from this years league the current average system is not working. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 11:25:57 GMT
Iestyn "Off the spot" means every shot is played from the white spot in the D. You cannot play from anywhere in the D. Hope that is clear. That makes sense, but I don't think this would be fair for lesser players as surely better players will have more skill to make the shots and thus giving them the advantage or is that the idea? ;D My point exactly, unless you only implement the "off the spot" rule to the division 1 team, allowing the division 2 team to play "normal" rules!?! I think the solution is to split the league so lesser players have the opportunity to learn and have table time. It will unsettle lesser players when they lose even though they are given a head start 1-3K. Wouldn't that demoralise them further? It is a fine line with all of this, every league is suffering from the same issues (do we play for social, winning or both)! Unfortunately you have to work with what you've got and at the end of the day EVERYONE is suffering. Flip the coin, does the "better" player like moaning as he is playing? Does the "better" player want to win as much as you? Well sometimes in my opinion that side of the coin is ignored, pushed aside. In the end who wants to win more by pushing for handicaps? Off the spot, is a beautiful way to play the game, as you can't rely on moving the cue ball to get past an obstacle. However a new player would actually find that harder. This is a very hard and complex situation but really needs solving ASAP! |
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Post by triplex on Oct 19, 2010 11:39:50 GMT
Sorry to say...... But its the same old story........ Everyone wants this, that and the other but when it comes to a commitee meeting same old faces appear and then everyone else moans cause the changes they wanted didn't happen. :-/ ???.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 14:58:28 GMT
Sorry to say...... But its the same old story........ Everyone wants this, that and the other but when it comes to a commitee meeting same old faces appear and then everyone else moans cause the changes they wanted didn't happen. :-/ ???. I gave up going to committee meetings after Cambridge, however I agree that more people should attend to voice their concerns, it's why we have meetings. However at the same time the "committee meeting" is for the committee and they too should understand the problems and try to solve them too. That's why their voted in! |
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Post by triplex on Oct 19, 2010 20:06:34 GMT
Sorry to say...... But its the same old story........ Everyone wants this, that and the other but when it comes to a commitee meeting same old faces appear and then everyone else moans cause the changes they wanted didn't happen. :-/ ???. I gave up going to committee meetings after Cambridge, however I agree that more people should attend to voice their concerns, it's why we have meetings. However at the same time the "committee meeting" is for the committee and they too should understand the problems and try to solve them too. That's why their voted in! Actually Commitee meetings are not just for the Commitee its open to all players who play in our league, so everyone has the chance to get their opinion over on how the league is run and how things can be improved... etc. And as for being voted in ..... That was not the case at all, it was either keep doing your position or possibly no league.... :-/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2010 20:13:43 GMT
I gave up going to committee meetings after Cambridge, however I agree that more people should attend to voice their concerns, it's why we have meetings. However at the same time the "committee meeting" is for the committee and they too should understand the problems and try to solve them too. That's why their voted in! Actually Commitee meetings are not just for the Commitee its open to all players who play in our league, so everyone has the chance to get their opinion over on how the league is run and how things can be improved... etc. And as for being voted in ..... That was not the case at all, it was either keep doing your position or possibly no league.... :-/ :( can't help but feel sad for the state it's in really. Trust me when I say I sympathise with you on this. |
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Post by nenecupper on Oct 22, 2010 11:58:45 GMT
First I would like to say well done to my team for winning the summer league and commiserate with the Fox for a good fight to the last.
Secondly, thankyou to all the other teams for their warm congratulations........... :-X
Lastly to add my views on the subject of changes to formats etc. As a player of limited talents in a team of better players I have some sympathy with the plight of so-called "lesser" ones. Believe me all the good players now, started somewhere being regularly thrashed by the likes of Biggs, Farrelly and their like. The reason they are good now is due to practice and working at the game (I didn't bother as you have probably noticed) and not by a change in the rules to give them an advantage.
I regularly see our better players being tutted and moaned at to come off the table, often when they are still behind due to their handicap!! To give too much advantage to "lesser" players will not make them improve. It would be like having an F1 grid with the slowest cars at the front.
Also Simon is right about the committee they do loads of stuff to keep the league going and all they get are complaints. Well done them. :) :)
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Post by Colemanator on Oct 22, 2010 12:39:37 GMT
Lastly to add my views on the subject of changes to formats etc. As a player of limited talents in a team of better players I have some sympathy with the plight of so-called "lesser" ones. Believe me all the good players now, started somewhere being regularly thrashed by the likes of Biggs, Farrelly and their like. The reason they are good now is due to practice and working at the game (I didn't bother as you have probably noticed) and not by a change in the rules to give them an advantage. I regularly see our better players being tutted and moaned at to come off the table, often when they are still behind due to their handicap!! To give too much advantage to "lesser" players will not make them improve. It would be like having an F1 grid with the slowest cars at the front. My first game was a summer one, 'bout 1983, I played for the Stirrup cup, Fazza thrashed me that game, he got about 13k :'( We only got better by playing on a decent top at the Cup, it does make all the difference. There were no handicaps then either. I'd like to think that all players would like to improve and make the league more competitive. But the equipment needs levelling (as far as is practicable) brushed and ironed (important), balls cleaned and pockets cleaned out. |
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Post by bigstew on Oct 22, 2010 16:35:26 GMT
I would guess that one of the main reasons for handicaps, would be to try and attract new players and keep players from giving up the game. As most of us know, Bar Billiards is a dying game and most of us try our best to stop it from dying out in one way or another.
Personnaly i would keep the Handicaps, but maybe do away with equal breaks or away teams or div 2 teams get all breaks
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