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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 9:59:33 GMT
Week 15 - 19/01/2011
Mill House Z v Plough Lower Beeding
Can the Zeds complete the first half of the season unbeaten? Having this target means we won't be complacent........4-1 home win.
Eight Bells v Horns Lodge
Last week's freakish result to be shrugged off, table back to normal after having been lent out to SCBBA.......5-0 home win, and Nick and Doug back to their best.
St Francis v Plough Plumpton
The Frannies are on a roll, no joy for the Plumpers.......4-1 home win.
Watermill B v Laughing Fish
This one could go either way, table may not suit H's flamboyant style, can come back and bite you.....3-2 home win.
Brewers Bravos v Hurst A
A high scoring match here, but Hurst with sufficient firepower to come away 3-2 winners.
Hurst B v Brewers Arms
Hurst B have some good players but some of the Arms players have 'table knowledge' from playing Interleague here. Another 3-2 away win, big hits from Delboy and the Farmer.
United Services Club v Watermill A
Sparky to inject some magic back into the table, will be in there at 6 o'clock cleaning the pockets and applying the ball repellent spray. ;D Could pay dividends for the away team, though. 3-2 to the Mill with Kim hitting big and Chris winning the pivotal game.
Woolpack v Greyhound
Greyhound will kickstart their revival with a 4-1 win.
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Post by bobhall on Jan 13, 2011 11:46:37 GMT
mama hall is having a day of rest as it is her birthday so the chunky monkey is stepping in as a solid replacement
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Post by doug1502 on Jan 13, 2011 19:42:40 GMT
Just to let you all know, I am unavailable on a Wednesday every 4th Wednesday commencing last night. Guess that I should have mentioned it before, sorry.
Was gonna put that I am unable to play every 4th Wednesday, but I am sure that would have invited comments from one or two quarters.
Anyway, no more clues, you have been warned!!!!!
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Post by specialone on Jan 14, 2011 15:11:14 GMT
Only me
Z's 5 PLB 0
Very sorry that I am predicting a loss for all PLB players. We lost 5-0 there so you might as well. If Z's win 5-0., at least 3 of their players will win, possible more. A number of the PLB team will not bang their heads on the beams. Will not name them as I do not wish to offend the Vertically Challenged (shortarses).
8 Bells 4 Horny Lodge 1
Saints 2 PPG 3
Back to earth
Watermill B 2 Fish 3
Bravos 2 Hurst A 3
Hurst B 2 Brewers Arms 3
other club 2 Watermill A 3
Big Norm to produce a table moan of an Olympic standard
Woolie 1 Hound 4
Have an inkling of who might win for Woolie. Keep it to myself so as not to offend the others.
Politacallycorretone
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 15:16:47 GMT
We lost 5-0 there so you might as well. If Z's win 5-0., at least 3 of their players will win, possible more Politacallycorretone You could couple that Double with 'Zeds to go through first half of the season unbeaten' as a Treble for extra points. ;D ;D |
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Post by specialone on Jan 14, 2011 15:29:00 GMT
Just to let you all know, I am unavailable on a Wednesday every 4th Wednesday commencing last night. Guess that I should have mentioned it before, sorry. Was gonna put that I am unable to play every 4th Wednesday, but I am sure that would have invited comments from one or two quarters. Anyway, no more clues, you have been warned!!!!! Every 4th Wednesday? Handshake avatar? On the Square? |
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Post by doug1502 on Jan 14, 2011 18:03:14 GMT
Nah, for my sins I now have a part time job as a club secretary for a local Working Mens Club, monthly committee meeting on a Wednesday night.
Now the Avatar is a little more interesting, you may wish to quiz Mr R Hall who I have explained to. Would suggest that you email him rather than on the board. It is a bit boring actually, and I have been the annoyed recipient on a number of occasions and it was my childish way of having a go back. Any takers???? Clues readily answered!!
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Post by iang on Jan 14, 2011 18:57:55 GMT
:-X ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 20:22:19 GMT
Doug, you forgot to mention The Bonecrusher as one of the types.
The guy who deliberately grips your hand like a vice before the game. Have had it done to me three times, when I have hardly been able to hold the cue afterwards (and anyone calling me limp-wristed does so at their peril !)
One of the three still plays on the Open circuit, he will know who is is when I decline next time. >:(
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 14, 2011 22:37:23 GMT
I will happily continue to mark the tipsters, using whatever format is decided upon for the future...... unless there is somebody who particularly wants to take the job on...... but I will not personally be taking part any more.
I look forward to reading more friendly banter over the weeks to come..... 8-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 23:41:59 GMT
There we are trying to do our best for you by restricting Robbie's flow of bonus points - and you're throwing in the towel, Warrior. :o ;D
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Post by specialone on Jan 15, 2011 11:36:11 GMT
Dave you should not under any circumstances throw in the Crystal Ball. Do not want to see us head towards factual sterility for the sake of political correctness. This is the atmosphere in which the boreing and boreish shouters on of their team, and the unashamed crowers will rule the roost.
The subtle sniper.
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Jan 15, 2011 12:01:27 GMT
Well after just finished reading last weeks banter and tipsters thread i thought i would have ago!
Hope i dont upset anyone ::) ;D
Mill House Z v Plough Lower Beeding
mill house 5 plumpton 0 - five players to win!
Eight Bells v Horns lodge
Eight Bells 4 Horns lodge 1 - five players to win!
St Francis v Plough Plumpton
Saints 3 Plough 2 - Five players to win!
Watermill B v Laughing fish
watermill 2 laughing fish 3 - five players to win!
Brewers Bravos v Hurst A
Brewers 2 Husrt 3 - five players to win!
Hurst B v Brewers Arms
Hurst 2 Brewers 3 - five players to win!
USC v Watermill A
USC 2 watermill 3 - five players to win!
Woolpack v Greyhound
Woolpack 1 Greyhound 4 - five players to win!
Good luck to ALL players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 12:08:27 GMT
I hope BBW doesn't think he was being singled out/targeted. I am sure any comment about 'betting against rather than for' would have been a generalization: we seemed to be moving away from the skill of predicting the correct match results and more towards predicting the obvious (naming easy 'home bankers')
My comment about not looking at anyone else's predictions until after the event (when they are scored) was not meant as a negative point, either. I have a real good study armed with all the facts, before and after. I then marvel at my own inability to predict with such skill as BBW or RR.
As Subtle Sniper says, this is really good for a laugh for those whose egos are not too fragile, and the only other place on the Forum where equivalent banter exists is probably Northants.
BBW, you're providing a good service. Keep that crystal ball out of mothballs.
The unashamed crower.
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 16, 2011 11:01:50 GMT
As Subtle Sniper says, this is really good for a laugh for those whose egos are not too fragile, and the only other place on the Forum where equivalent banter exists is probably Northants. BBW, you're providing a good service. Keep that crystal ball out of mothballs. The unashamed crower. Well, as far as I am concerned the whole point of a Banter & Tipsters thread was to be able to have a bit of fun..... without causing offence. Bobhall has certainly been on the receiving end of more "stick" than anybody else on these threads, but has bounced back smiling every week and taken it in the spirit in which it was intended, all credit to him for that. 8-) We all lose games that we expect to win sometimes, and of course win games that we don't expect, that is one of the great things about this game and keeps us coming back week after week to play again. 8-) But, if we start bringing in too many "rules" as to what can / can't be put on a banter thread, then it defeats the object of having it there in the first place..... :P Clearly, nobody wants to actually offend anybody, but in the "PC world" that we live, it sadly seems that a sense of humour is rapidly becoming a thing of the past...... :-X As stated above, I am more than happy to continue marking the Tipsters thread, but that does not mean that I need to take part personally....... so it just remains to be seen as to whether everybody wishes to confirm Bobhall as the winner of the first half of the season and start a new (revised?) competition for the second half..... :( |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 11:31:33 GMT
it just remains to be seen as to whether everybody wishes to confirm Bobhall as the winner of the first half of the season and start a new (revised?) competition for the second half..... :( Sounds a good idea. Does he get a certificate? ;) |
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Post by iang on Jan 16, 2011 11:39:20 GMT
I was going to leave things from last week & not reply further.
But now feel I need to respond to the various misinterpretations of my original post.
I was expressing an oppinion that it is unsporting to predict ANY indivdual to lose, when you predict a player to win thats fine but can sometimes be a bit obvious as has been said by always playing the safe bet & can be boring.
My ego is not fragile I was not singling out either BBW or Bobhall just the principle & as far as I know I did not start an all out war as has been posted.
I do not wish to see BBW stop posting on this just because of it.
I don't take part in the predictions due to lack of time but enjoy reading some of the post's.
The Banter side of this thread is great & as TSO has said is an indication of how great Mid Sussex is,
I have tried to emphasis that this only seems to have happened in the last week but people seem to ignore this.
If you feel this is too PC then carry on & i'm sorry if you have taken this the wrong way.
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Post by BFG on Jan 16, 2011 21:28:10 GMT
Very well said Ian...
I must say although I don't play in your league I do enjoy the banter in the tipsters
In fairness if you tip a single player to win you will be tipping a player lose...
Just doing the team...not sure it's as much fun
Just guess it's a bit of pc when phrasing the prediction
Keep it up peeps!
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 18, 2011 15:43:54 GMT
other club 2 Watermill A 3 Big Norm to produce a table moan of an Olympic standard With reports of a 17k score on the USC top (by a player from Black Horse) in the Lewes League knock out Cup last night...... maybe Norm will be moaning that the table is too good for him! :P ;D Obviously, the table must change character on a Wednesday evening as it always seems to play well on a Monday...... 8-) |
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Post by bobhall on Jan 18, 2011 15:56:12 GMT
by a player by a formiddable player you mean dave a certain mr 20k on hurst top at the weekend but it is strange how it changes from one day to another. but i no sparky is working his hardest so hopefuly see it back to its potential this week
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 16:48:39 GMT
.............he whose name shall never be spoken! ;D Rain Doctor Who (anag.) ;D :D
It seems to be the season for moving tables.........Eight Bells obviously needs to settle again after being lent to Sussex, and even our Mill House one will need a watchful eye as it will be making an appearance in a different bar next Monday (to avoid clash with darts) before moving back for Tuesday's home match and Wednesday's Team Cup.
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 18, 2011 18:02:28 GMT
by a player by a formiddable player you mean dave a certain mr 20k on hurst top at the weekend but it is strange how it changes from one day to another. but i no sparky is working his hardest so hopefuly see it back to its potential this week Yes, but there were other 5k plus breaks recorded by other players there last night and our stats in the Lewes League show that the table has been consistently good........ Home Matches Played - 8 Total Points Scored - 301,590 Average Points per match - 37,699 Average Game Score - 7,540 5k plus scores - 27 10k plus scores - 6 In comparison, the Hurst Club table (currently sitting 2nd in the Tables Table and for many years regarded as the "benchmark" and best table in Mid-Sussex) over the last 3 games played there.... Matches Played - 3 Total Points Scored - 113,260 Average Points per match - 37,753 Average Game Score - 7,551 5k+ scores - 8 10k+ scores - 2 .... which of course include the Hurst "Derby" (where one would expect good scores from both teams) and the "usual" 10k+ from H.... ;D Statistically, there is not much to choose between the two tables.......so I really don't understand why it sits second from bottom in the Tables Table and is getting so much stick from players in Mid-Sussex. ::) ??? I have to say that I don't agree that the USC table changes from one day to another, it always seems to play the same to me and gives a fair opportunity to players from both sides..... although obviously it us up to them if they are good enough to take them or not. ;D |
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Post by NigelS on Jan 18, 2011 20:24:18 GMT
I played at the USC also last night and confirm although I played very poor on it last night it is a very good table - confirmed by Rain Doctor Who's break ;).
If it really is the second worst table in the Mid Sussex league I might have to give up Brighton league to play in Mid Sussex full time ;)
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Post by bobhall on Jan 19, 2011 0:35:17 GMT
i believe the table should be higher than where it is in midsussex but i know sparky is not happy with it from how it used to be
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Post by specialone on Jan 19, 2011 7:45:55 GMT
How many points that are scored on a table is not always a true indicator of how good it is. It can just indicate that it has been suuccessfully adapted to a particular style of play, a fast scoring style of play. The first place I saw this was in Redhill. I was first on a table that rolled badly, missed the first 2 balls I aimed at. However some of the home players got huge scores using that split shot thingy. It may also indicate that the pockets have been made 'easy', thus taking away the advantage of a careful and acurate potter.
Probably should not have entered this debate, expect to be in a minority of one.
TSO
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 19, 2011 8:56:41 GMT
How many points that are scored on a table is not always a true indicator of how good it is. It can just indicate that it has been suuccessfully adapted to a particular style of play, a fast scoring style of play. The first place I saw this was in Redhill. I was first on a table that rolled badly, missed the first 2 balls I aimed at. However some of the home players got huge scores using that split shot thingy. It may also indicate that the pockets have been made 'easy', thus taking away the advantage of a careful and acurate potter. Probably should not have entered this debate, expect to be in a minority of one. TSO Well, I can see the point you are making Shaun, even if I don't necessarily agree with it....... surely a "good" table will reward better shots (regardless of whether you pot or play that "split shot thingy" 8-)) far more often than a "poor" table and therefore the scores should, logically, be higher...... ;) I cannot think of a single table that I have ever played that is perfect, they are all slightly different and either have a roll (or, in some cases a complete bakery! ::)) somewhere or a quirk such as cushions that throw at slightly different angles to "normal"...... it is down to the skill of the players and how quickly they can adapt to the table that will usually determine the winner of a game. I do not believe that the USC table has changed as a result of being moved in to the front bar at the Club, although the table is "different" to last season as a result of having new cushions fitted which are marginally wider (we are talking a few millimetres here) than the old ones. This does affect the break shot on the table (I'm sure that all of you scholars of the game can work out how....and why ;D) and is possibly the reason why some players are saying that the table is now not as good as it used to be..... when it is actually more their inability to "read" the table and adapt accordingly. ::) |
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Post by barbelman on Jan 19, 2011 9:02:38 GMT
How many points that are scored on a table is not always a true indicator of how good it is. It can just indicate that it has been suuccessfully adapted to a particular style of play, a fast scoring style of play. The first place I saw this was in Redhill. I was first on a table that rolled badly, missed the first 2 balls I aimed at. However some of the home players got huge scores using that split shot thingy. I hope they are lead-free, Shaun... ;D ;D Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 10:37:09 GMT
I would like to throw a couple of extra points into this debate, the first being that when you visit a table it might not necessarily be at the time when it is at its best. This can be dependent on how recently it has been prepared for matchplay - and even the time of day. And tables can change during a match!
But if the potential remains for high scores, then it must be okay. I'm sure the position of the USC in our 'tables table' is artificial, and you will soon see it zipping up the league. Cream surfaces! I would still rate it in my top three.
Having said that, if a table is too easy/perfect, it can make the game boring. I have tired of seeing lop-sided scorecards where games are mostly won with a single break (and a huge score playing next-to-nothing). The most exciting match I have played in for a long while was the one at the Brewers, where seven players out of the ten scored over 5k and two games were decided on the last ball!
But is it a good table? Well it played up on Monday night, no score made 3k - but it is unlikely that it had been prepared. If there had been a Lewes match on it, no doubt it would have been lovingly brushed and ironed - which is needed as it's in a cold room, and would have been at its best. Similar applies to the Dun Horse, in the Horsham league.
The Roffey lads were not impressed by our table last Tuesday, and although they beat us, only awarded the table 5/10. But it was its first 'outing' since Christmas, and I had minimal time to set it up - especially when their team turned up twenty minutes early! I am expecting it to be 'reasonable' tonight, and excellent next week when it has had a chance to settle in.
Although we all differ in certain aspects of the debate, one thing we all seem to agree on, is that a 'challenge' is good - having to work out which shots to play, judging the pace of the table, adapting to find the break if you don't get it at first.
I have enjoyed playing on the tables in Mid Sussex and Horsham this season, with all the different 'challenges' that they offer.
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Post by H on Jan 19, 2011 11:13:45 GMT
To throw my twopence worth in. I will, as you would expect, use the current "temporary" fish top as an example - I can, when it goes right, gladly knock in 15k+ plus on it, because I know how it breaks/splits etc - do I consider it a good top? No, but its far from the worst top around either.
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Post by bobhall on Jan 19, 2011 15:26:13 GMT
Mill House Z v Plough Lower Beeding
mill house go in tonight favourites to win and a 4-1 win is on the cards tommo alan graham winning tonight mark for visitors
Eight Bells v Horns Lodge
eight bells have had the table settled in and a 5-0 is on the cards nick doug and denise win tonight
St Francis v Plough Plumpton
st francis take a 3-2 home win hear plough get wins from dave and jan tonight and matt tso and manly win for home side
Watermill B v Laughing Fish
fish go to watermill hoping for a win and get a 3-2 away win tonight h andy and les win for fish gavin and gavin win for home team
Brewers Bravos v Hurst A
barvos are looking for a win to go back up the table but i must stick by my team tonight so 4-1 away win rob kev and peter winning for halls and spud taking one for home team
Hurst B v Brewers Arms
brewers arm going there will look for a win and a 3-2 away win is there jock andy and derek win and steve takes a leg and so does colleen
United Services Club v Watermill A
usc win this 3-2 tonight norman and chris win for visitors but mick graham and ray win for home team
Woolpack v Greyhound
grey hound win this 3-2 tonight lynne and trevor winning for home team but trevor ted and neil win for visitors
i thought i would stray from predicting players to lose tonight as people take it to heart but i will be back next week prediciting players for the team cups and plate.
good lucky to all tonight especially to tso tonight as he is special very special
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