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Post by BB Warrior on May 19, 2011 13:20:48 GMT
The Sussex County AGM will be held at United Services Club, Haywards Heath, on Monday 8th August starting at 8pm.
If anybody has any proposals or would like items put on to the Agenda, please contact the secretary Nigel Senior at least 14 days before the date of the meeting.
Hopefully we will get a better turn out this year..... ::)
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Post by BB Warrior on May 29, 2011 8:41:09 GMT
Great news that Hastings will be attending the AGM this year...... 8-) Hi BB Fans I have had confirmation from Bob Osbourne that will attend the next AGM on 8th Aug 2011 regs cs Let's hope it is the first step back to affiliation and rejoining the Inter League Competition.... ;D It would be fantastic if all of the League were represented at the AGM...... ;) |
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 1, 2011 15:46:05 GMT
A quick reminder that the Sussex County AGM will be held next Monday (8th August) at United Services Club in Haywards Heath, RH16 4EG.
The meeting will start at 8pm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 20:16:25 GMT
Sorry we had to miss this (granddaughter-sitting duties) and some feedback from the AGM would be valued.
It is apparent on reading the Interleague thread that Hastings were in attendance and have reaffiliated to the County, so welcome back to them.
And rumour has it that there has been a shake up in the Officialdoms, so may we know the new appointments so that we may congratulate the persons concerned ?
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 12, 2011 22:16:30 GMT
Sorry we had to miss this (granddaughter-sitting duties) and some feedback from the AGM would be valued. It is apparent on reading the Interleague thread that Hastings were in attendance and have reaffiliated to the County, so welcome back to them. And rumour has it that there has been a shake up in the Officialdoms, so may we know the new appointments so that we may congratulate the persons concerned ? Yes, it was nice to see Bob Osborne from Hastings at the meeting and great news that they will be entering the Home & Away Inter League Competition again..... even if the SCBBA Committee is now having to do a bit of head-scratching as to how to fit all the teams in now! ::) ;D A much better attendance this year than in recent times with representatives from Brighton, Worthing, West Sussex, Lewes, Littlehampton, Eastbourne and Hastings present. ;D ;D Only one rule change, with Rule 3 of the Home & Away Inter League being amended to have the requirement for the Home Team Captain to telephone the result to the Inter League Secretary removed..... but BOTH Captains will continue to be responsible for sending the result through still. Details of the new officers appointed are on the Sussex Website.... www.sussexbarbilliards.combut the only changes were Kevin Hall was appointed Chairman and Dave Ingram Vice-Chairman. :D The Sussex County Teams were also chosen after the meeting and players selected will be notified by the appropriate captains. ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 23:16:03 GMT
but the only changes were Kevin Hall was appointed Chairman and Dave Ingram Vice-Chairman. :D Congratulations then go to Kevin and Dave on their new appointments. 8-) |
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Post by dipper on Aug 15, 2011 17:45:33 GMT
Did the ressurection of the Champion of Champions competiton get voted back in?
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2011 22:19:05 GMT
Did the ressurection of the Champion of Champions competiton get voted back in? It was bought up at the meeting and was voted against. |
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Post by dipper on Aug 17, 2011 17:49:56 GMT
Any reasons why a it was a great competition?
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Post by NigelS on Aug 17, 2011 18:40:32 GMT
Hi Roger,
The main problem we found was getting a time in the calendar to stage the competition, and also getting a venue and tables to hold it.
I think if this was to be resurrected someone will need to come up with a plan of how it is to run, where and when it would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 22:49:13 GMT
Nigel does seem to be offering some hope for the future, Roger.
Remember that in its original guise, a different body (the Sussex Bar Billiards Charity Association) used to run it, autonomously. When costs started rising, and there ceased to be much profit in it, the SCBBA took it over - really out of the goodness of their hearts.
However, to justify its existence the competition was then staged on a grander scale (with groups rather than a straight knockout), which somehow seemed to remove much of its charm: Not everyone wanted to give up a whole Saturday or Sunday with loss of overtime, thus it was much more endearing when held on a Friday night in a nice pub like the John Seldon.
I expect there's not too many of us still playing who remember the old format with the mens and ladies being played side by side through to a conclusion, but it was certainly one of the season's highlights and provided some extra premium into winning a League's Singles competition.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 26, 2012 20:05:52 GMT
Hi Sussex AGM moguls
Just a couple of items i would like to be proposed at the next SCBBA AGM, probably need a seconder for each item to make them official proposals. If others wish to add comments please do
1. interleague/league matches to be played with the away team getting all breaks
2. any off the spots comps to be double break.
3. League matches to start 8.00pm interleague to be at the discretion and agreement of both captains (quite like the idea of afternoon matches on Sundays)
Should these be taken on board then other league will follow....i hope.
regs cs
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Post by bobhall on Jan 30, 2012 23:42:32 GMT
Hi Sussex AGM moguls Just a couple of items i would like to be proposed at the next SCBBA AGM, probably need a seconder for each item to make them official proposals. If others wish to add comments please do 1. interleague/league matches to be played with the away team getting all breaks 2. any off the spots comps to be double break. 3. League matches to start 8.00pm interleague to be at the discretion and agreement of both captains (quite like the idea of afternoon matches on Sundays) Should these be taken on board then other league will follow....i hope. regs cs Colin just so you are aware the interleague match was tried a while back and failed and i think its fair the way it is. Off the spot there is not an off the spot comp in sussex so the sussex agm will wonder what your on about. Some people dont finish work till gone 8 so i guess they will have to give up playing? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:05:53 GMT
1. interleague/league matches to be played with the away team getting all breaks regs cs Colin just so you are aware the interleague match was tried a while back and failed and i think its fair the way it is. Just to home in on this one, and without stating a personal preference, I've been playing Interleague for 40 years and in that time it's always been breaks 1,4,7 to home side and 2,3,5,6 to the away team. So the above statement is simply not true. |
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Post by bobhall on Jan 31, 2012 0:18:59 GMT
tommo so are you saying that this was not tried at the agm to get passed through or is that not true as im sure it was
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 0:22:48 GMT
Just to home in on this one, and without stating a personal preference, I've been playing Interleague for 40 years and in that time it's always been breaks 1,4,7 to home side and 2,3,5,6 to the away team. So the above statement is simply not true. I might be wrong, but I think that the proposal to amend the breaks in Inter League was once discussed, but rejected, at a previous Sussex AGM.... so perhaps Bobhall meant that it had been proposed before, not that it had actually been played like that? ??? Just to point out, while it is a great idea to show proposals on the Forum as it gives people the chance to air their views and give consideration to new ideas.... the ONLY way to actually get the proposals actually considered at the AGM is by submitting them in writing to the County Secretary, Nigel Senior. ;) I'm sure that Nigel will accept any proposals by either PM or email.... even 6 months in advance. :o 8-) ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:27:44 GMT
3....... interleague to be at the discretion and agreement of both captains (quite like the idea of afternoon matches on Sundays) regs cs Can't see anything wrong in that and don't see why Bob should be so anti......But I don't think that it warrants a rule change as discretion is already being exercised. Playing for Horsham this season, we've already had two afternoon starts by mutual agreement and in previous seasons with Redhill we've had a Sunday lunchtime match at the Flying Scud, and a two-in-one-day session when we played Lewes in the afternoon and Tunbridge Wells in the evening. All these matches were enjoyable, and it was good to do something different once in a while. 8-) There's no intention to force an early start on teams, discretion being the operative word. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 0:31:19 GMT
tommo so are you saying that this was not tried at the agm to get passed through or is that not true as im sure it was Exactly as per Dave's reply, yes, it went to the vote one year. Votes were even and the Chairperson had to use the casting vote (against). Not exactly decisive. And the proposal put forward was to revert back to an open draw before the match. There was never any suggestion of "all 7 away breaks" like Colin is now proposing. |
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Post by bobhall on Jan 31, 2012 1:34:41 GMT
yes discretion now read the word league matches to start at 8pm interleague starts at 7 30 any way and i feel i am allowed my views and i am giving my views
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 31, 2012 13:22:40 GMT
Colin just so you are aware the inter league match was tried a while back and failed and i think its fair the way it is. Just to home in on this one, and without stating a personal preference, I've been playing Inter league for 40 years and in that time it's always been breaks 1,4,7 to home side and 2,3,5,6 to the away team. So the above statement is simply not true. I'm glad to see further discussion on my agm comments, it's not my intention to start world war 3 on this and i obviously am unaware of previous agm history, i just thought it was useful to think it through. 1. All away breaks .. REASON... It would be fairer for all players to have an equal chance of the break, there are players who generally have the break which is obviously good for them, they get a higher net average, win more games and end up with more ranking points while those that rarely get the break have the opposite. The county rankings are a reflection of this and therefore also weighted slightly toward the regular break player. Surely it is right to play such that all participants are getting the same opportunities to get fair averages and ranking points? I can't see any way that the current system is "fair" but i can see why some would wish the current system to stay and if the majority wish it to stay then so be it. 2. Off The spot, ...REASON ...Various leagues play various versions of "off the spot" comps in deed there is talk of a British isles "off the spot" but as mentioned there are only a few, currently having played "off the spot" in Lewes, Eastbourne and Jersey again it would seem to me to be fairer for opponents to have the same chance of the break, currently matches revolve around who wins the toss rather than how the participants play. If SCBBA do end up arranging such a comp. then this discussion will focus the rules makers and then leagues will have the opportunity follow suit. 3. League Matches to start at 8.00pm ...REASON ...currently league generally start at 8.30pm we find that generally we have more spare time earlier rather than later. Cant think of many who would want to generally arrive home after a match at 11.30pm which seems to be the norm if they had the opportunity to get home at 11.00pm, there are always team members who arrive late or leave early and the draws are already fixed by the captains to accommodate these events so there will be no loss of players as Robbo suggests. Inter league times, ...REASON...We start generally at 7.30pm some pubs are not open all day so this limits what can be done, but where possible why not change it to an earlier time by mutual agreement, those that don't want to change don't have to but with the long travel time to and from venues why not start earlier to get home earlier. Rather than just saying no, why not discuss with your team to see if they would prefer it. Perhaps its never been discussed before? I certainly didn't expect such a positive response from my team Anyway as a relative new boy to SCBBA i cant see why such discussion (Unheated) should not take place, i have noted that no one so far has put forward their name and seconded any of the above proposals......Yet! If i get a second i will make my application to the secretary in due course. regs cs |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 13:48:43 GMT
Hi Colin,
We don't have to second your proposals for them to be valid, just submit them to Nigel for consideration at the next County AGM: and as BBW says, as early as you wish!
All you will need then is someone there at the AGM to second them on the day.
And discussion beforehand on the open Forum is welcomed, so long as it doesn't become too heated like it did once before on this subject. ::) (You will note that I have supressed my own opinion for this very reason !)
tommo
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 31, 2012 17:33:28 GMT
Hi Colin, We don't have to second your proposals for them to be valid, just submit them to Nigel for consideration at the next County AGM: and as BBW says, as early as you wish! All you will need then is someone there at the AGM to second them on the day. And discussion beforehand on the open Forum is welcomed, so long as it doesn't become too heated like it did once before on this subject. ::) (You will note that I have supressed my own opinion for this very reason !)tommo Accepted Tommo, but i wish to avoid wasting time at any agm with unpopular, unsuitable or unnecessary proposals that take considerable time to argue and resolve. So i would feel better to see what kind of support there is for either item in advance. But no pressure, i hope the signals i'm sending are primarily aimed at increasing the general enjoyment of Bar Billiards for ALL league players not just the chosen few. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 19:19:48 GMT
More than happy for these to go forward to the AGM and to be "discussed" here on the Forum in the meantime. 8-) Have to disagree slightly with one statement made though... 1. All away breaks .. REASON... It would be fairer for all players to have an equal chance of the break, there are players who generally have the break which is obviously good for them, they get a higher net average, win more games and end up with more ranking points while those that rarely get the break have the opposite. The county rankings are a reflection of this and therefore also weighted slightly toward the regular break player. Surely it is right to play such that all participants are getting the same opportunities to get fair averages and ranking points? I can't see any way that the current system is "fair" but i can see why some would wish the current system to stay and if the majority wish it to stay then so be it. Sorry Gandalf, as the person who keeps the Inter League Averages and Sussex Rankings updated on the Sussex Website, I have to say that the statement highlighted in yellow above is simply not correct! :P Of the current Top 20 Players in this years Sussex Rankings, 10 of the players there have had the break in less than 50% of the games that they have played in Inter League this season. ;D Of course, we all know that having the break in any match should give you an advantage and the figures prove this to be correct.... in Division 1, 69 of the 105 games (65.7%) have been won with the break, in Division 2 the figure is 70 out of 105 (66.7%) and in Division 3 it goes up to 73 out of 105 (69.5%) of games won with the break. :) But you have to remember that there is a bonus of 0.5 Ranking Points for winning against the break and Score Bonuses are given for lower scores against the break.... so a player in Division 2 winning against the break with a score of 7,100 would receive 3.7 Ranking Points whereas a player winning with the same score with the break would only get 3.1 Points so that equates to a 19% increase in Ranking Points using this example.... strangely almost the same percentage as the number of games won above 50% with the break. 8-) So, although statistically it is easier to win with the break, there are benefits for the individual players (and of course their team if they win...!) in playing against the break. 8-) Obviously, it is down to the individual Captains to use their players to their best advantage.... but I'm afraid the statistics certainly don't prove that the "best players" are only near the top of the Rankings because they have the break most. :P |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 19:25:27 GMT
2. Off The spot, ...REASON ...Various leagues play various versions of "off the spot" comps in deed there is talk of a British isles "off the spot" but as mentioned there are only a few, currently having played "off the spot" in Lewes, Eastbourne and Jersey again it would seem to me to be fairer for opponents to have the same chance of the break, currently matches revolve around who wins the toss rather than how the participants play. If SCBBA do end up arranging such a comp. then this discussion will focus the rules makers and then leagues will have the opportunity follow suit. No plans that I am aware of to introduce a Sussex Off the Spot Competition, but I am sure that the Rules would be discussed and agreed before any competition was started. I don't feel that SCBBA AGM is the right place to try to get Individual Leagues to conform to a fixed set of Rules for any Individual Competitions that they may choose to hold of their own.... although I do believe that the Main AEBBA Rules should be used in all Leagues for Playing Conditions. ;) |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 19:29:07 GMT
3. League Matches to start at 8.00pm ...REASON ...currently league generally start at 8.30pm we find that generally we have more spare time earlier rather than later. Cant think of many who would want to generally arrive home after a match at 11.30pm which seems to be the norm if they had the opportunity to get home at 11.00pm, there are always team members who arrive late or leave early and the draws are already fixed by the captains to accommodate these events so there will be no loss of players as Robbo suggests. Various Leagues start at different times.... Lewes 8.30pm, Brighton and Worthing 8.15pm. This should be discussed at the League AGM's and decided there.... ultimately, it's up to the individual teams to arrange start times if they want anything different and should not be on the agenda for SCBBA AGM in my opinion. ;) |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 19:33:28 GMT
Inter league times, ...REASON...We start generally at 7.30pm some pubs are not open all day so this limits what can be done, but where possible why not change it to an earlier time by mutual agreement, those that don't want to change don't have to but with the long travel time to and from venues why not start earlier to get home earlier. Rather than just saying no, why not discuss with your team to see if they would prefer it. Perhaps its never been discussed before? I certainly didn't expect such a positive response from my team There is nothing in SCBBA Rules to say that the start time.... or even the say the match can be played on.... cannot be changed by mutual agreement between the teams, providing the match is played before any deadline in respect of dates. An earlier start on a Sunday wouldn't work for me due to family commitments.... but I suppose it could be better for other people who would rather have an early finish.... ::) |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 31, 2012 20:05:50 GMT
More than happy for these to go forward to the AGM and to be "discussed" here on the Forum in the meantime. 8-) Have to disagree slightly with one statement made though... Sorry Gandalf, as the person who keeps the Inter League Averages and Sussex Rankings updated on the Sussex Website, I have to say that the statement highlighted in yellow above is simply not correct! :P Of the current Top 20 Players in this years Sussex Rankings, 10 of the players there have had the break in less than 50% of the games that they have played in Inter League this season. ;D Of course, we all know that having the break in any match should give you an advantage and the figures prove this to be correct.... in Division 1, 69 of the 105 games (65.7%) have been won with the break, in Division 2 the figure is 70 out of 105 (66.7%) and in Division 3 it goes up to 73 out of 105 (69.5%) of games won with the break. :)Interesting stats BBW looks to me like you have proved that it's an unfair advantage for players to have the break more than half their matches!!!!! :-* edit to repair quote only. Sparky |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 31, 2012 23:40:40 GMT
Of the current Top 20 Players in this years Sussex Rankings, 10 of the players there have had the break in less than 50% of the games that they have played in Inter League this season. ;D Of course, we all know that having the break in any match should give you an advantage and the figures prove this to be correct.... in Division 1, 69 of the 105 games (65.7%) have been won with the break, in Division 2 the figure is 70 out of 105 (66.7%) and in Division 3 it goes up to 73 out of 105 (69.5%) of games won with the break. :)Interesting stats BBW looks to me like you have proved that it's an unfair advantage for players to have the break more than half their matches!!!!! :-* edit to repair quote only. Sparky[/quote] I think that everybody would expect more games to be won with the break than against it when you are comparing players of similar ability.... what I found most interesting about these statistics is that more games are won against the break in Division 1 than the other Divisions, although you would perhaps think that more games would be won with the opening break at the highest level than elsewhere.... :o Personally I would not be in favour of giving the away teams all of the breaks, simply for the reason that some teams would possibly consider that it would be a disadvantage having a good home table if their opponents will simply win every game with their opening break... :-/ The Away team already get the advantage of... 1) Home Team naming players first. 2) Home Team showing the Away Team the table and break in the first game. 3) Away Team having 4 breaks to Home Teams 3 breaks. The current system seems to have worked well for (according to Tommo) 40 years and we still have a fair split of wins for home teams (25) and away teams (20) so far this season with 24 of those matches being decided 4-3.... I think you have to consider trying to keep a fair balance between giving a benefit to individual players and the effect that it will have on the Teams, remembering that the Sussex Inter League is a TEAM Competition, not an INDIVIDUAL Competition. ;) I feel that the only fair way that you could perhaps consider equalling out the number of breaks for individual players would be to consider restricting players to a MAXIMUM number of Break Games (perhaps 6 out of 10...?) during a single season.... that way most players should get at least 4 breaks and it would be up to the Captains to choose the right players to take the breaks in the right games? Anybody got any thoughts on that idea.... it's not a proposal though, merely a suggestion of an alternative. ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 23:56:30 GMT
The current system seems to have worked well for (according to Tommo) 40 years Only inasmuch as breaks 1,4,7 to home team and 2,3,5,6 to away team. The 'current system' with nominations has been in force since 1991 and I retired from Interleague for a good many years because I did not agree with the ethics of it. I have since mellowed in my attitude - as Warrior says, it's a team event and I wouldn't want to vote against something that was popular with my own team mates ! The reason for 1,4,7 and 2,3,5,6 all those years ago, by the way, is that some teams had an easy home top - very nice for the visitors - but others had tables that were a pile of poo, where having the break was no particular advantage. So it was introduced as an incentive to reward - rather than punish - teams who kept a good home table. |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Feb 1, 2012 11:46:22 GMT
The current system seems to have worked well for (according to Tommo) 40 years Only inasmuch as breaks 1,4,7 to home team and 2,3,5,6 to away team. The 'current system' with nominations has been in force since 1991 and I retired from Interleague for a good many years because I did not agree with the ethics of it. I have since mellowed in my attitude - as Warrior says, it's a team event and I wouldn't want to vote against something that was popular with my own team mates ! The reason for 1,4,7 and 2,3,5,6 all those years ago, by the way, is that some teams had an easy home top - very nice for the visitors - but others had tables that were a pile of poo, where having the break was no particular advantage. So it was introduced as an incentive to reward - rather than punish - teams who kept a good home table. The british army wore Red uniforms for many years, not necessarily the best idea though, your last comment is noted as a good point. regs cs |
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