Short clock on a Supreme........

Jul 8, 2011 8:05:11 GMT Richard Stowe R.I.P. said:

:( :( :( >:( I was very disappointed as all the games on this table ran twelve minutes twenty seconds approximately. If this is not rectified by the beginning of the winter season, the Royal Standard will not be allowed to register in our winter league. The table is a Supreme table and as far as I know the only used in any league. The company just ignored my email requesting instructions on how to adjust the table timing. If anyone has any info on how to adjust the timing on these electronic timers it would be much appreciated. The thing that annoys me about this, is that committee members spent hours setting up the table to make it playable, only to be let down by the table rental company on the timing. This is an attempt to get Supreme tables into the Oxford bar billiards league, but it seems to me they are not bothered. This table played as well as most tables in the Oxford league and it seems a shame if this problem cannot be rectified.

Makes you wonder how long the table will last here as past experience of Supreme tables has shown them to be far from ideal.
A few years back the Windmill Southwick (on the Sussex coast) had one, but you couldn't play proper bar billiards on it as it had an Mdf base rather than a proper slate. They lasted the season out with it, but then that was it.
The Supreme table is an attempt to produce a modern update to a design which has stood the test of time and simply can't be bettered. You could say the same about gothic cathedrals !

You did the right thing to contact the manufacturers to enquire how to adjust the electronic timer. However, if the table is supplied through a Brewery chain (rather than owned by the landlord) they will probably be very twitchy about having adjustments made to the table by anyone other than themselves, so be careful.
It is a very noble mission to welcome venues with non-standard tables into the League for the sake of expansion and preservation of the game, but you have to decide is it worth it in the long run? Just suppose the table had been a 'Narrow Sams' - designed for the 4-Pin version of the game: difficult enough to score a thousand on, without the double whammy of having a 12-minute timer. :o :o

[barbelman]

In the Witney league we did have experience of a Supreme table and after adjustment it was perfectly playable.  The team (Red Lion Aston) were with the table and the landlady simply asked the hirers (Witox of Witney) to extend the table time to seventeen and a half minutes.  This they did without fuss - it's electronic so I assume it will be easier than a traditional table (which can be hit-and-miss to say the least!!)

We can't afford to be too sniffy about which tables we allow in our leagues IMHO as we have no easy supply of Jelkes tables and the Supremes seem the only alternative at the moment that landlords can rent in our area without the commitment of actually buying a secondhand table for up to £1000.

The Red Lion table mentioned above is now in the Eynsham Sports and Social Club and we will offer them every support in getting the table up to league standard if they so wish - don't forget that Bar Billards Ltd always set NON-league tables at 10-12 minutes until the pub requested otherwise.....

cheers
Tony

Jul 8, 2011 10:34:41 GMT barbelman said:

We can't afford to be too sniffy about which tables we allow in our leagues IMHO as we have no easy supply of Jelkes tables and the Supremes seem the only alternative at the moment that landlords can rent in our area without the commitment of actually buying a secondhand table for up to £1000.
cheers
Tony

A particularly good point, we in Sussex are fortunate in still having the only traditional table operator left functioning in the UK (Tarratt Tables Ltd). 8-)

[Richard Stowe R.I.P.]

Thanks for the new thread, lets hope this problem can be resolved. With the old Jelks tables becoming rarer it would seem the Supreme table once set up could be the answer to the lack of tables. On the question of the base, on the manufacturers website it states that the base is slate ( and having lifted one end of the table it has to be slate ). This table had no spots or 'D' when first looked at and the ink spot for the white pegs were in the wrong position but, Bob Pincombe and I put spots and D in the right places. The only measurement that is different to the Jelks is the distance from the back cushion to the back row of pockets, they are slightly further from the cushion, but it falls within AEBA specs. I will try to find out who Tom ( the landlord/manager) rents the table from and get in touch with with them for any information they have related the timing. These players are all new players and we need new players and teams in all bar billiard areas. :)

[Richard Stowe R.I.P.]

I have emailed the rental company again and hope to get a reply this time. I have emailed Tom (The Landlord ) at the Royal Standard for the address and name of the rental company who supplies his table.
Tony, the rental company supplied to me by the table manufacturers Supreme, may not be the one that supplies the table at the Royal Standard and therefore I'm not sure I should plaster their name all over this forum. But this still does not excuse the lack of reply from them, and if I fail to receive a reply from them in the next two weeks then I will warn people off renting from them.