Gazza
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Post by Gazza on Dec 28, 2007 13:46:22 GMT
Does anyone know what causes a ball to kick high off of the cushion?
Old rubber, new rubber, cloth pulled too tight, too loose, cushion mounted too high or low!
Anybody!
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Post by Herr von Puebik on Dec 28, 2007 16:04:58 GMT
As long as you wait for your balls to drop I don't think it matters :P
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 28, 2007 16:48:26 GMT
Does anyone know what causes a ball to kick high off of the cushion? Old rubber, new rubber, cloth pulled too tight, too loose, cushion mounted too high or low! Anybody! Hi Garry, Question is - what do you mean by 'Too high' ??? ??? Which do you mean?? If the ball hits the cushion moving away from you up the table; 1) The ball is coming off the cushion nearer to you than expected, (what I call a high bounce) or 2) The ball is not bouncing off the cushion enough and going further away from you than expected? Also - what shape rubber is on the cushion? Upside down 'L' shape or triangular. Sav. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 17:57:26 GMT
1) The ball is coming off the cushion nearer to you than expected, (what I call a high bounce) or 2) The ball is not bouncing off the cushion enough and going further away from you than expected? Sav. Or, put simply, 1) = bouncy cushion (newish rubber) 2) = 'dead' cushion (rubber has hardened) However, some new tops supplied play like 2) due to the way they have been fitted (stretched too much before being pinned). There does seem to be an element of luck about what you get supplied with. ::) |
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Post by Ros on Dec 28, 2007 22:34:47 GMT
Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean either Gazza, sorry ???
I think I can just about get to grips with "long" (shallower bounce and goes further up the table than you think it should) and "short" - bounces more towards the middle of the table than expected.
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Post by Quagmire on Dec 29, 2007 11:29:07 GMT
On our recently refurbished table the break is tricky with the white missing on the near side .Could this be due to more bounce in the new cushion ???
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 29, 2007 16:11:00 GMT
On our recently refurbished table the break is tricky with the white missing on the near side .Could this be due to more bounce in the new cushion ??? Yes could be if the cushions were rerubbered, they are not normally. Try putting the red ball about half an inch further than the red ball spot. If the break works OK, move the red ball spot. Also check the distance of each fifty hole from the cushion. If the right hand 50 is nearer the cushion than the left hand fifty, take the cushions off, check for wedges alongside the slate, and move the slate to the left. Sav. |
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Post by Quagmire on Dec 29, 2007 17:35:40 GMT
Cheers Sav.I belive the cushions were rerubbered due to a kink in the right one but will check as suggested.
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Gazza
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Post by Gazza on Dec 30, 2007 20:09:37 GMT
Hi Chris,
What I mean is not bouncing off the cushion as far as expected (shallower), your second option. For example a ball hits at 30 degrees and bounces off at 20 (exaggerated).
On my home table the cushions are new ‘L’ shaped ones which I covered myself. I’ve noticed that the some simple shots are really quite difficult to play on it due to this trait. The break goes fine, the one up has a tendency to fling the behind the 50 without lots of right hand side.
I’ve pulled the cloth as tight as I can so if what Tommo is saying is correct then I may have pulled the cloth on cushion too tight.
Something else that may have a bearing, the cloth was sold as a “napped worsted”, when it arrived it didn’t seem to have much fuzz although the face side was marked. Could this be anything to do with the shallower bounce?
I am going to change the cloth shortly as the one fitted is not so good!
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 30, 2007 20:47:37 GMT
Hiya Garry and a happy New Year to you and Anna.
OK - Flat bounce.
'L' shaped rubber is bouncier than triangular, especially when new, so it's not that.
Cloth should be drum tight on the playing surface, but just pulled to and not stretched over the cushion rubbers or you may get a corregated surface.
If there is a problem it will be with the cushion screws not holding the cushions tight against the side - this is vital. Most tables have two inch screws and these are NOT long enough. You need two and a quarter inch (2½ is too long, but can be ground down). The correct length screws are very difficult to find. Two inch will easily muller the hole, not hold and then you have a flat bounce. You're a good handyman, so i won't go into screw widths.
If it is just the break / one-up that's a problem, and not the bounce generally, move the red spot about half an inch nearer the 'D'.
Re cloth;
First choice - Hainsworth Match (not Smart)
Second choice - Strachan 6811 Tournament Gold.
Sav.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 7, 2008 8:25:04 GMT
Had a careful examination of my balls yesterday ;D ;D
I knew we had a problem red with one red not dropping in the 20 hole on one of my tables.
The whites are all pretty similar at 98 - 99 grams.
The reds, however, vary from 93 - 100 grams ??? >:(
So am now going through my spares.
I also note that they are discolouring as per Brian Daniel's problems even though I have had most sets for only two to three years.
You might want to weigh your balls Garry, to se if one is lighter than the other ;D
Worrying!!
Chris.
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