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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 12:00:29 GMT
What if we adopted a 'darts approach' you go to the table with three 'scoring shots' and then come off, say the person starts the game with three straight breaks and then comes off, the opponent goes on and does the same as it's even break, when the first person goes back, his shot is one up and then carries on for the next two shots. Should the first or the second shot be missed you just come off (unlike darts) and you opponent goes on. :-X Me and my dad play 1000's, where you can only score upto 1000 then come off, so I make sure to leave the ball in a tricky position. However this idea and yours is only for a night out not for competitions. Their is nothing to say you can't have fun but you have to make the game more of one. The standard format does work and has done for many years. Sky Sports would never show Bar Billiards, even if the baise was painted Lime Green. It's not the format that is the fault, it's designed by jelkes to be a pub game and it will always remain as one. Until all the pubs close down. We should be more concerned of our pubs closing down!
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Post by Chris on Nov 1, 2008 14:30:11 GMT
As a straight answer to the question... I personally do not believe Bar Billiards is too easy for any player... top, middle or lower...It is a game that you have to work at and perfect to get to the top. When I was one of the top Lady Players in the early 80's my shot was 50/30 push... I still use it and don't play split (Oxford) unless it just happens to land there on my one up.
One of my team colleagues hates the 50/30 push, finds it boring to watch and is personally a great split player.. however we both agree that it is about beating the table and winning the game, not what type of shot you play.
Players reaching the top deserve to because of their skills and expertise in perfecting the game. I admire them totally and only strive to be better than them. I may never achieve that, but my want to do so is the important part.
Having played a number of good players in recent opens and in local league, I personally feel that the player who plays the table out against me has respected me as a true opponent. So in answer to the second question, I don't want to be given a chance by anyone, just to win in my own right. So no to rule changes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 20:29:46 GMT
Hopefully a few of them will reply, Johnny ! ;) :-/ Try not to apply remarks on topic as this is a good thread to open peoples eyes to players who are called "unbeatable". You have become very prickly Johnny. I'm not sure which way you took my remark, but I assure you it was quite an innocent one, along the lines of me not being qualified to provide an opinion as you had only asked for input from 'top players'. And I added a smiley.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 23:25:43 GMT
You have become very prickly Johnny. I'm not sure which way you took my remark, but I assure you it was quite an innocent one, along the lines of me not being qualified to provide an opinion as you had only asked for input from 'top players'. And I added a smiley. First sorry if my tone was different, I understand it's a joke but Wow i'm now being prick, wow I'm wondering why I have a love for a game that I hate? To be honest I'm bored of these discussions about "SLS" (Sore loser syndrone) where people think it's "better" for the game to have handicaps and change rules so the lesser player gets a go. As for TV coverage, ha you lot are joking. Bar Billiards isn't and never will be a TV sport. Look at other games such as Billiards etc... I think at the next AGM i'll propose that a lesser ranked player will start with 10,000 and have the break, that way we will all have fun and it will go on Sky TV! As stupid as that sounds, it's not far from the truth of what people on here try and "propose". Sorry if I look like a prick or raining on your parade but at least it's a bit of realism! I am not aiming this at anyone in particular by the way! Just the apoligy at start.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 23:56:17 GMT
Ok Johnny, I accept that you're trying to pull your horns in. But you are arguing as if we are having a 'black and white' discussion, while throwing several additional factors into the discussion:
Firstly, I don't think that Julian's idea when starting this discussion on the other thread was that any sort of handicapping was on the table. Any change would be applicable to all.
Secondly, you seem to have gained the impression that I have a burning desire for the rules to be changed, when I am perfectly happy with them the way they are: The difference between your stance and mine is that you do not want the changed under any circumstances as you love things the way they are - I by contrast have been playing so many years and witnessed some changes back in my early playing career, but haven't seen any for so long that I feel yes, maybe, why not ? I have an OPEN MIND on the matter.
Finally, careful who you are classing 'the lesser player' - because a good 80% of the bar billiards world can be world beaters on their day. Most players have their moments, only the chosen few are so well-versed in the art that they would expect to succeed nearly every time they play. Take Dave Constable for example: averaged just 897 at the recent County Championships. Would you class him a weak player? Only he's had two scores of 20,000 in this calendar year.
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Post by Q on Nov 2, 2008 0:30:52 GMT
Johnny... have you been eating those blue smarties again?? ;D
CALM DOWN, nobody was calling you a prick (they would have been moderated if they had) it was just suggested that you were a bit prickly, ie argumentative, easily wound up, I hope this isnt something to do with the sudden resurgence of interest in the Cambridge board, cos that would be a bit childish ;D
I repeat CALM DOWN, its Jersey next week, save your pent up aggression for your cue and let that do the talking out there (and you can buy me a pint when I beat you in a practice game) ;D ;D 8-)
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Post by milko on Nov 2, 2008 7:43:00 GMT
Johnny... have you been eating those blue smarties again?? ;D I repeat CALM DOWN, its Jersey next week, save your pent up aggression for your cue and let that do the talking out there ( and you can buy me a pint when I beat you in a practice game) ;D ;D 8-) You will have a problem then Q, as I don't think he is going to Jersey, well he is not in either draw at the moment!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 11:50:02 GMT
Ok I'll calm down ::) ;D
I'll say this.
I want Bar Billiards to be challenging and on TV, though my way of coming across can be black and white sometimes ::) I am open minded. I just give the "true" picture and it seems I haven't contemplated it first, when actually I think about it all the time.
I have a very strong passion for Bar Billiards, really don't know why but it's something I have (honestly) tried to get rid of. But I fail all the time. Yeah I am young and have many years to perfect my game, and trust me I want to (VERY MUCH). I don't want to see the game killed off for the new-comers. Younger people are interested but the commitment isn't their in some. I just feel that we should focus more on that then TV :-/
Milko has spotted something, I am not going to Jersey. Even with an irrsistable offer from KT to teach me some shots. My mum was in hosptial for 6 weeks and therefore I couldn't arrange to go as I had no idea when she would be coming out.
I really wanted to go trust me but couldn't. I hope I go every year from now as I loved it.
I bought a car yesterday ;D so if anybody in the Oxford or Northants area need a player i'm available. I need to sharpen my game ready for the opens I'm now entering ;D ;)
But yeah keep this discussion going and I hope the conclusion is the one that suits most. :)
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Post by Julian Dale on Nov 3, 2008 10:17:07 GMT
What car have you bought Johnny?
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Post by Colemanator on Nov 3, 2008 10:37:36 GMT
I bought a car yesterday ;D so if anybody in the Oxford or Northants area need a player i'm available. I need to sharpen my game ready for the opens I'm now entering ;D ;) Don't call us, we'll call you ;) ;D
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Post by Colemanator on Nov 4, 2008 9:45:32 GMT
Back to the Topic, It could be easier you know. Not a lot of people know but, the D which is on your table is PROBABLY smaller that the rules permit, If you were to replace your D with one which is compliant to the AEBBA rules you will find some shots will be more gettable than they are at present. 8-)
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Post by bigstew on Nov 12, 2008 20:42:25 GMT
Sky Sports would never show Bar Billiards, even if the baise was painted Lime Green. ! Stick it on Setanta then, they have all sorts of weird and wonderful sports on there! :o ???
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Post by mikedaw1985 on Jan 15, 2009 15:24:35 GMT
Definate no to banning this shot. To me this is the main shot in break building and if this was banned, how many people would stand a good chance of ever becoming a part of the 20k club.
I know I would never be quick enough to do it playing 50/10's and 50/20's. If I played a table out now playing a perfect succession of 3 breaks the 1 up and then the Oxford as people seem to call it. I personally call it a split or double shot. Then i'd only just make 20/21k. Im one of the quickest in my league!!!! Im slow in comparison to other players out there I know.
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Post by H on Jan 15, 2009 16:47:45 GMT
I am one of the slowest players in the county...
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Post by DA-DM on Jan 15, 2009 17:02:54 GMT
course you are...... NOT. ::) ::) stop 'fishing' H - just cos you only played in 2nd gear last night when we all know you can do better..... ;) ;) :-*
whatever you do(not you personally H ! ;)) or try to do to make the game more difficult, the top players adapt so quickly and easily that before long you would be looking for some other way to make it yet more difficult.
They are at the top of the game because they are so good at it, wether it's natural talent or hours of practice - they deserve to be there. i only wish i could be fractionally as good, and on that note, i'm off for a knock about on our table at home just to prove to myself that i know what i'm doing (i'm just not very good at it !!).
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Post by Julian Dale on Jan 16, 2009 12:54:28 GMT
I've had a long time to go over this thread and one thing keeps cropping up. No matter what the rules could/should/shouldn't be changed, the underlying message is that EVERYONE wants the game to be more popular to save it from disappearing altogether.
People say that the game is dying out because of traditional style pubs closing or turning into trendy gastro-pubs or whatever. Personally, I think that's garbage. Yes, there has been several pubs close that had bar billiards tables in them, and those pubs may have changed into various guises, but I think the biggest reason why the game is in decline is that the game is not accessible enough for a new player. Pretend you'd never played before and wanted to give the game a try. Also, pretend you wanted to tell your friends about the game and get them interested in it too. What would you encounter, and what would you tell your friends about the game? I'm pretty sure if you were lucky to get a positive experience from the game, it'd be difficult to sell it to your friends.
Ronnie O'Sullivan knows a bit more than we do about snooker, and he thinks the game has become so boring in the game play and how it's being run that he's considering giving up. That's snooker, a popular, televised game that is played in many countries. Ok, Bar Billiards is never going to be as popular as snooker, but doesn't it make you think that if snooker needs a shake up (at least of the format of events and how they are organised), shouldn't we look at Bar Billiards from an outsiders point of view and take off the rose-tinted specs?
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