Week 16 League 2007/2008

[TIR]

Saints 3 Greyhound 2

Shaun Morris 2910 Paul Goodwin 910
Ray Fogwill 1450 Neil Burchell 1550
Matt Geal 3860 Geoff Fairs 1400
Bob Ellis 730 Trevor Rees 2370
Chris Little 2460 Peter Burchell BP

On a tricky but straight table we lost a very close match with Peter having a shot at the 200 to draw in the last and just ringing the pocket to take the black peg.
Well played Saints

[specialone]

Cracking night. Good luck in semi.
The ordian airy one

[Ros]

Sportsman 1 Hurst B 4

Gary Foster 1330 Darrell Skinner 4780
Pam Peacock 1640 Chris Kirkham 2460
Ros 1120 Ian Giffen 3590
Tony Driver 1940 John Lear 1140
Sir Trevor 2530 Steve King 2570

Well done to Tony for sparing our blushes, hard luck to Trevor for a very narrow loss. Brickbats to me for (to borrow a phrase from tommo) not being able to hit a cow's ar*e with a banjo tonight :(

However, a good evening nevertheless amongst good friends :)

Well funny you should say that Ros. Tonight tommo wouldn't have been able to score a glancing blow on a bovine posterior with a Double Bass.
>:( ;D

Brewers Droops 3, Handcross Z 2

Noddy 1860, Supersub Daniels 2170
Sir Jock 5140, MrMike007 1990
Sparky 4720, Johnny 'Aceed' Haigh 2980
Mama Hall 2580, Barry Timson 5550
Andy Farmer-W 2280, tommo 2270

The first game was won by our Supersub on the last ball.
Excellent performances from Sir Jock, and from both players in game three. (John made the early running and a good comeback by Sparky)
Barry played game four as if his life depended on it, no doubt still smarting after losing his singles to BB Warrior.
And then the decider. The Farmer contrived to spill a winning 4k break at the bar, and tommo had three unsuccessful shots at potting the last ball to win, before the Farmer finally secured the points.

I will add that the table was a vast improvement on our last few visits here. Well done to the Brewers, and apologies to my team for once again squandering 2 points against them like I did in the first half.

[BB Warrior]

Hurst A 5 Brewers Bravos 0 ;D

BB Warrior 7190 - 2090 Nikki Hinkins
Nikki made a very bright start with an early break of about 1.6k, luckily I was able to get the balls back and managed a 5k+ response to secure the game with both of us ending up with our highest League scores so far this season. Well played Nikki! 1-0 ;D

The Old Fella 4810 - 1540 Paul Moyes-Robb
Roy was pretty much in control from the start with Paul having no real luck. 2-0 :)

Rob Hall 5710 - 1900 Richard Spurrier
Rob played his best game of the season by a mile to record his highest score and giving Richard little chance to catch him. 3-0 ;D

Papa Hall 4400 - 1740 Ponytailed Guy
A really good game this one, not reflected by the final scores. Pete opened with about 1.8k, Adam got the balls back straight away and was flying with 2k+ before a split shot came out of the 100 hole to take out a peg. :o Pete managed to keep his distance after that, although Adam still had chances. 4-0 ;)

BB Reaper 10790 - 580 Lynn Moyes-Robb
Lynn off early and the Reaper turned on full power with a 6k plus break followed later with a 3k plus to give him his first 10k score in Mid-Sussex and leaving Lynn with no chance. Well played Kev. 5-0 ;D

An enjoyable evening in good company, the usual extensive Bobhall buffet and a good win for the Hurst to keep them top of Division 1. ;D

[BB Warrior]

White Horse 1 CKRBL 4

Steve Haskins 2350 - 2260 Jenny Edwards
Ben Dutson 1320 - 4230 Derek Taylor
Giles Garnett 570 - 4290 Shaky Coles
Jim Quinn 2610 - 3160 Pete Edwards
Ian Powell 700 - 3320 Ted Stringer

[theoldfella (R.I.P.)]

Week 16 match results

Sportsman1 Hurst B 4
White Horse 1 CKRBL 4
Watermill B 1 Plough 4
Windmill 2 Watermill A 3
Saints 3 Greyhound 2
Droops 3 Zeds 2
Hurst Club 5 Bravos 0

Played/won/points
Premier
Hurst B 16/13/63
Plough 16/11/62.5
Greyhound 16/11/61
CKRBL 16/10/59
Zeds 16/10/58
Watermill A 16/8/50
Saints 16/7/47

Division 1
Hurst Club 16/12/75
Droops 16/13/73
Sportsman 16/6/48
White Horse 16/5/41.5
Watermill B 16/3/31.5
Windmill 16/2/30
Bravos 16/2/29

[theoldfella (R.I.P.)]

Sorry, Hurst B really did only manage 4 wins against Sportsman. Fat finger problem again.

[Q]

Dont worry Roy, I've altered te figures to put them straight ;)

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

tommo said:

Well funny you should say that Ros. Tonight tommo wouldn't have been able to score a glancing blow on a bovine posterior with a Double Bass.
>:( ;D

Brewers Droops 3, Handcross Z 2

Noddy 1860, Supersub Daniels 2170
Sir Jock 5140, MrMike007 1990
Sparky 4720, Johnny 'Aceed' Haigh 2980
Mama Hall 2580, Barry Timson 5550
Andy Farmer-W 2280, tommo 2270

The first game was won by our Supersub on the last ball.
Excellent performances from Sir Jock, and from both players in game three. (John made the early running and a good comeback by Sparky)
Barry played game four as if his life depended on it, no doubt still smarting after losing his singles to BB Warrior.
And then the decider. The Farmer contrived to spill a winning 4k break at the bar, and tommo had three unsuccessful shots at potting the last ball to win, before the Farmer finally secured the points.

I will add that the table was a vast improvement on our last few visits here. Well done to the Brewers, and apologies to my team for once again squandering 2 points against them like I did in the first half.

Vast improvement in the table pre tarrat sorting it out!! :D :D
A good night with some great billiards played, with Andy missing a ball in the last game against tommo, losing a break closer to 6k than 4k, but he held his nerve to sink the last few remaining to leave himself with 190 deficit, red ball to the 100 to win which he got on the third attempt. ??? ??? :-*

Only down side was the refusal of the opposition to alter the playing order which would allow Andy to play first instead of last due to his work shift, personally I wasn't privy to the entire conversation, but am aware that captain farmer offered at least 2 swaps both refused, with the oppo players still there at the close of play, a little bad form their I feel. ::) ::) :P

Still a good night, with tommo refusing to bring in the lucky 'bulldog' for fear of what yours truly would have done to it, food was good banter was a little jaded due to reasons listed above, but still a good night all in all. ;) ;) ;)

jock said:

Only down side was the refusal of the opposition to alter the playing order which would allow Andy to play first instead of last due to his work shift, personally I wasn't privy to the entire conversation, but am aware that captain farmer offered at least 2 swaps both refused, with the oppo players still there at the close of play, a little bad form their I feel. ::) ::) :P

Just to set the record straight on this one. - As being sinned against rather than sinner, and now amazingly finding myself having to defend my own actions. :o

As the draw was reaching its conclusion, Andy commented to me that a change of order of play would most certainly be necessary: Sod’s law his name should come out last, and he indicated that he would not be able to stay till the end and could he play earlier?

Now, I see it as the home team’s prerogative to play in a different order, should there be extenuating circumstances like a player having to get away early, or someone arriving late, so I agreed immediately: I am that type of fella.

My understanding is also that the order of breaks should be preserved, the away team having first poke in games 1, 3 and 5 and the home team in games 2 and 4. The choices therefore were to either a) swap game 5 with game 3 or b) swap game 5 with game 1.

Seeing my player Graham Daniels (who had been drawn first) standing ready with his cue and raring to go, I said to Andy “okay I’ve met you halfway, shall we let our player decide if he wants to play third or fifth ?” and Graham intimated that he preferred third.

Andy was not happy with this compromise at all, saying that it would mean Sparky going on last and he couldn’t put him through that ordeal yet again. Andy then lost it completely and stormed off to the loo. After he had calmed down and returned, he informed me that we would stick to the original order of the draw. I filled the order of play in on the scorecard, as required to do by Mr Roy Wells.

Half way through the first game, Andy sidled up to me and asked if we could swap game five with game two, and at this point I must say that the thought crossed my mind that he might be trying to engineer some sort of advantage. A very tenuous one, maybe, but it would have meant the home team finishing the match with two break games. Feeling somewhat niggled that my earlier kind offer had been thrown back in my face I declined, saying simply that my understanding of the rules was that the order of breaks in the match has to be maintained, away break then home break then away then home then away. (At this stage, incidentally, we could still have swapped game three with game five - that would have been no problem at all.)

The match proceeded to a 2-all situation, and the food was brought out, and then there was a long hiatus – I reckon I was waiting clutching my cue like a lemon for around 20 minutes – to punish me, no doubt.

I found it unbelievable that someone who had sought a concession to play earlier than fifth because he wanted to get away early - which request had been granted – was still there at the end of the evening, and was actually delaying the proceedings.

I wonder if other captains are also subjected to similar overtures from the Brewers’ Droops captain, or if I am the lone recipient in this war of attrition?

I would also be interested to learn from any neutrals as to whether they feel, taking this statement at face value, that I behaved in an unsportsmanlike fashion.

As you say, the match did seem to take place in a subdued atmosphere (apart from some chit chat with Lorraine and Sparky) but was not helped by Spurs losing in the penalty shootout. >:( Things only brightened up right at the end, when an interesting TV programme came on which showed some naked flesh and margo had to virtually drag me out of the pub to go home ! :P

[Chunky Monkey]

tommo said:

jock said:

Only down side was the refusal of the opposition to alter the playing order which would allow Andy to play first instead of last due to his work shift, personally I wasn't privy to the entire conversation, but am aware that captain farmer offered at least 2 swaps both refused, with the oppo players still there at the close of play, a little bad form their I feel. ::) ::) :P

I would also be interested to learn from any neutrals as to whether they feel, taking this statement at face value, that I behaved in an unsportsmanlike fashion.

Personally Tommo i dont think that was unsportsman like of you.
I too would have been happy with a swap of 1 & 5 and 3 & 5 and like you would not have swapped with 2 or 4.

Well done for standing your ground on the night espically as he stormed off! :o

[Ros]

I agree too tommo.

I have once this season swapped four with five, in order to allow a team to play the chef, but I did that knowing that was the only way the team in question could field five, I was fully aware that I didn't have to agree.

In this case there were other options that could have been used. If the captain has one player needing to go early, then the rest of the team have to accommodate that. It should also have been declared before the draw.

In most cases even changes within the break structure can be disadvantageous to, or unpopular with, the other team. I don't see that we should be expected to change outside of that structure, apart from in the most exceptional of cases.

[little legs]

In lewes matches which are also drawn out at the beginning of the evening,Alan has to work nights on a rota system.I always make this clear to the captain of the opposition before the draw.Normally if Alan is drawn towards the end,we ask to swap Alan's game to first or second to keep the break system as it should be.We've never had any problems doing this,and would always accomodate anyones request in these circumstances.I don't know Andy's work shift,but if this did happen to us we would have to forfeit game as he could not stay.

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

As always Tommo continues his search for constant controversy, and has again blown everything out of proportion, the simplistic and matter of fact statement in my earlier post is pretty clear on me NOT being privy to the entire conversation, and was commenting purely on how I felt at the time about what I had been told. Your own personal 'sportsmanship' was not in any doubt!!! My earlier post reads opposition and oppo players!!! Although I would question your motives in filling out the playing order on OUR scorecard?

Hardly a WAR of Attrition!!! In answer to that question, yes in both Lewes and Mid Sussex Leagues we have on occasion had to request a change in the playing order, due primarily to Andy's shift pattern. I'm sure everyone has to do it at some point.

And furthermore to suggest that we attempted to gain some advantage by swapping the order of play, well now you have OFFENDED me!!!! Andy did approach you during game 1 to suggest that game 2 be swapped for game 5, this was because I appeared to be the only player in the room that didn't care where he played, thus giving you the opening breaks in game 1, 2 and 3, forgive me if I is stupid but can you explain where we gain an ADVANTAGE from that please?

Andy agreed to stay and play the last game because I offered to get him home immediately after his game had finished, which is exactly what I did!!!

Further OFFENSE also taken at the suggestion that we deliberately made you wait 20 mins before Andy played, again is nonsense not at any time did you APPROACH me or any other member of the team to inquire if we were ready to start in fact I don't even think you were within 15 FEET of the table and to be fair from where I was standing (5ish feet from table) you didn't seem in too much of a hurry to play. And in all fairness Andy too was standing with his cue in his hand, whether he felt any affiliation with citrus fruits you'll have to ask him yourself.

Not to mention rudely playing a friendly against your wife before we even asked if any of your team wanted a friendly. Luckily we didn't have a reserve that night hoping to play!!!

Lastly naked flesh was good, who cares about Spurs!!!

[bobhall]

too b honest to this discussion it sucks what you are all forgetting is that i sir bobhall won his match its taken me ages to win but i won and also scored 5k yay so u should all change the subject to me me me

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

hallboy1402 said:

too b honest to this discussion it sucks what you are all forgetting is that i sir bobhall won his match its taken me ages to win but i won and also scored 5k yay so u should all change the subject to me me me

WELL DONE MATE!!!!! Big up the hallboy on your momentous win may it lead you to bigger and better victories against bigger and better opponents. But not me, not yet!!!! :D :D :D :D

Check my byline below tho!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I will follow the lead by saying WELL DONE SIR BOB HALL on winning your first game with an impressive score. And thank you for diffusing the situation. 8-)

[bobhall]

its not my first win just i aint won for a while i aint that crap

[Baby Guinness]

Well done Rob. I know you've had a lot of bad luck, so lets hope your now on the up. Well played x

[Ros]

Looking at my newsletter and players list, it seems double congratulations are due to the Hall family - Kevin Hall has hit the highest score so far this season in Mid Sussex League with 10,790, well done to both Kev and Rob!

Now Kev needs to repeat this on an away table to take the High Score award.

charlady said:

Now Kev needs to repeat this on an away table to take the High Score award.

Don't encourage him !
They're up our place on Wednesday.

Maybe I should ask if I can borrow Sparky's can of Ball Repellent ! ;D ;D

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

tommo said:

charlady said:

Now Kev needs to repeat this on an away table to take the High Score award.

Don't encourage him !
They're up our place on Wednesday.

Maybe I should ask if I can borrow Sparky's can of Ball Repellent ! ;D ;D

And I am to confirm that its very very effective!! ;D ;D ;D
(so his misses says anyway)

[Sparky]

Oi I heard that......just you wait till I get back 8-)

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

tommo said:

I will follow the lead by saying WELL DONE SIR BOB HALL on winning your first game with an impressive score. And thank you for diffusing the situation. 8-)

Actually situation far from diffused!!!! >:( >:(

Wasn't me who started it. >:(
And I don't think there's much common ground to agree on, so best left unsaid. :-X

[Q]

But I'm going to stop it......

This has been debated on the forum enough.

The facts are there and I think that if anyone wants to take it further then the commitee is the place to go.

Any further posts WILL be moderated, shake hands & enjoy the game that we all love.

[Chunky Monkey]

Well Said Q

I accept that and welcome it, Q.

[Sir Jock o The Strap]

q said:

But I'm going to stop it......

This has been debated on the forum enough.

The facts are there and I think that if anyone wants to take it further then the commitee is the place to go.

Any further posts WILL be moderated, shake hands & enjoy the game that we all love.

Fair comment Q, moderate away my friend, its not every day that my teams integrity, honesty and sportsmanship are called into question though and therefore fully deserving of the response posted.