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Post by bigtj on Aug 25, 2012 13:18:08 GMT
Entries are now invited for the Sussex Copetitions 2013, entry forms will be available from the end of next week, all entries to be with me by Sunday 23rd December 2013.
Mens and Ladies Doubles Saturday 12th January 2013 at Hurst Club
Mens and Ladies Singles Sunday 13th January 2013 at Hurst Club
The Mixed Doubles, Captains and Over 50s will be played at various venues throughout the county ( sensibility will be used as to location of the players concerned ),between January and the end of April 2013.
Entries for all will be accepted in person, via the forum, PM to me, e-mail to me and by post, all competitions are £3 PER PLAYER I.E £6 PER DOUBLE.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 14:16:26 GMT
The Mixed Doubles, Captains and Over 50s will be played at various venues throughout the county ( sensibility will be used as to location of the players concerned ),between January and the end of April 2013. Presumably still no carrot dangled in the form of Sussex RPs for these three competitions, which require a lot more effort than in turning up for a one-dayer ?? ::) :'( |
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 25, 2012 14:58:09 GMT
There are ranking points for mixed doubles.
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Post by JB on Aug 25, 2012 15:59:37 GMT
Over 50's and Captains shouldn't have ranking points as they are not open to everyone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 17:19:53 GMT
Over 50's and Captains shouldn't have ranking points as they are not open to everyone I accept that principle, but a token amount (fraction of a RP) could still be seen by some to be an incentive. ;) And we've reached a stage when the the Over50's is almost open to everyone. Not that I've ever taken part in one, of course. Will the youngsters (u-30s) be getting any RPs from the new competition ? Only I think it would be a nice touch if they did, after all it's a high-profile event. Would be interested to hear the views of some of these whippersnappers. :-/ |
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Post by bigtj on Aug 25, 2012 17:27:46 GMT
See this from both sides and agree that the competitions mentioned have restricted entry rules, but like Tommo could see it being an incentive if a proportionate amount of ranking points were awarded.
Obviously as the Sussex AGM has been and gone, it would need to be discussed at next years AGM, or is it a committee thing???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 17:35:53 GMT
There's a ranking committee, TJ, but not sure how recently they've met. Chunky Monkey would know.
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 25, 2012 22:40:27 GMT
There's a ranking committee, TJ, but not sure how recently they've met. Chunky Monkey would know. We haven't had a ranking meeting since i was voted on 2/3 seasons ago :o but then again nothing has come up untill now to have one 8-) |
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Post by NigelS on Aug 26, 2012 2:45:51 GMT
The problem with awarding points in age restricted competitions such as under 30's and over 50's is that those events are not open to everyone....why should players between the ages of 31 and 49 be at a disadvantage for qualifying for the sussex masters etc just because of their age. Say someone missed out to players who had gained points in either of these competitions - they would have the right to fell a bit hard done by!
The whole point of a ranking system is the rank players relative to each other, so you have to make the playing field as level as possible, you can't hand out advantages to players because of their age, gender or anything else....
I think the Sussex ranking system is as fair as it can be at the moment, but the above is just my opinion and if there was an majority on the commitee who wanted to introduce these events into the system then it would happen and a suitable points allocation would be discussed and decided upon.
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Post by bobhall on Aug 26, 2012 6:15:18 GMT
just a quick point from me as people are saying about the ranking system i agree that there shouldnt be points for captains over 50's and under 30's as not open to everyone. but at the same time i feel that the mixed doubles shouldn't get any either as this is the same. If you look at the comps there is not 50 ladies to 50 males that play the game so not everyone can get a partner in this competition.
But i also feel that the committee do a fantastic job and it works at moment so why change it, because if we did then if were to make it fair you would need to change the ranking points in all comps to make it level playing field so every person has a chance to make the masters comps
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 9:09:49 GMT
Come on Nigel, with RPs being handed out like sweets in the Interleague and the one day Singles/Pairs, can you honestly expect us to believe that the 30-49 group would feel hard done by/discriminated against by a couple of points being handed out to someone getting through four rounds of team captains and travelling long distances within Sussex to do so? ::)
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Post by JB on Aug 26, 2012 13:00:01 GMT
So a 29 year old and a 31 year old entered all the same competitions throughout the year and did equally as well as each other. They ended up on the same points but the 29 year old got an extra point by entering the under 30's and due to this point got into the masters where the 31 year old missed out. Do you honestly think that's fair and the 31 year old wouldnt feel peed off.
Totally against points for these competitions and cannot understand why anyone would support having points for competitions that are not open to every player.
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Post by NigelS on Aug 26, 2012 13:50:16 GMT
I do agree with you re Mixed Pairs Bob, I don't think it to be a representative Sussex Competition as in reality Sussex bar billiards is not made up of 50% women and 50% men so awarding points for mixed pairs does advantage lady players slightly, hence the lower points awarded relative to other events, the AEBBA does not award points for the Natioanl Mixed Pairs. However, it is an event open to everyone so at least everyone can have the opportunity of getting points.
That certainly cannot be said for under 30's, over 50's or captains, these competitions are restricted and not everyone can enter. I am not devaluing the importance of these competitions, but ranking systems leave no room for sentiment in taking into account the effort players make to play these events, or indeed the achievement of winning them.
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Post by mikedaw1985 on Aug 26, 2012 20:40:55 GMT
Agreed, if I gained a load of ranking points for winning the under 30's and made the masters only because of that I would feel like I did not get there on merit . If I got there I would want to do it the same way everyone else did and with the same opportunities as others.
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Post by bigtj on Aug 27, 2012 5:56:54 GMT
Agreed, if I gained a load of ranking points for winning the under 30's and made the masters only because of that I would feel like I did not get there on merit . If I got there I would want to do it the same way everyone else did and with the same opportunities as others. This is a a view from somebody who could gain from points from this competition and embodies the views of Nigel and Jean, and although understand what Bob is saying with the mixed as Nigel said it is open to all. My only thought was that we may generate more interest, but do not feel that it merits the ranking points committee meeting to discuss. |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 27, 2012 10:53:18 GMT
Agreed, if I gained a load of ranking points for winning the under 30's and made the masters only because of that I would feel like I did not get there on merit . If I got there I would want to do it the same way everyone else did and with the same opportunities as others. This is a a view from somebody who could gain from points from this competition and embodies the views of Nigel and Jean, and although understand what Bob is saying with the mixed as Nigel said it is open to all. My only thought was that we may generate more interest, but do not feel that it merits the ranking points committee meeting to discuss. Hi Sussex comp fans Sensible comment fron "the Dawster" The under 30s and over 50,s not suitable for ranking points, if these were changed to over and under say 35s then this would be acceptable, but do we need another larger competition in SCBBA ? think the event diary is clogged up enough already, not sure that ranking points will generate more interest, just look at The Watney Mann still only a few teams enter each year. Think there are too many bonus points available for the 1 day interleague comps which enables perhaps non elite players (Me) to get to the masters when others may be more deserving but were not available for this comp.... ::) regs cs |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 12:10:11 GMT
Totally against points for these competitions and cannot understand why anyone would support having points for competitions that are not open to every player. I think I get the message loud and clear and please forgive me for raising the question of the under30's - a new competition - needing ranking committee consideration. Having been part of the original ranking committee along with Nigel, Mal, Dave J and Dave I, I think we got most things right as an entity (although we didn't always agree on everything). There were some very strong and forceful viewpoints made, in very similar style to Jean's hypothesis, but this all happened behind the scenes. Kevin replaced me the year before last, so please don't confuse me with someone who still has strong views - my work is done ! It has not hurt airing the subject of under30's on here, as this had never been discussed by the ranking committee. And as Mike Daw has come forward with a 'thanks but no thanks' there is no corner to fight so TJ is probably right and there's no need for them to convene. |
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Post by bigtj on Aug 27, 2012 12:48:27 GMT
Tommo do not think anyone was knocking you and as always your views have allowed for thoughts to be aired sensibly and that surely is the idea of the forum.
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Post by JB on Aug 28, 2012 11:34:14 GMT
Sorry if I upset anyone (didnt mean to).
I was just surprised that ranking points for Under 30's and Over 50's was even thought that it should be discussed as its not open to anyone. Obviously when the ranking committee last met (looks like 2-3 years ago) this type of comeptition was not discussed.
I was also surprised at the following
If this is what people think perhaps there should be a ranking points committee meeting and make it much harder to gain points.
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