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Post by BristolCS on Sept 30, 2012 12:41:50 GMT
I have just purchased an E J Riley table which has a working timer but the bar has been removed completely. There are two holes on each side of the table by the timer but I can't work out how the bar would have worked. The runners are thin strips of wood/plywood which guide the balls but they dont look strong enough to support anything heavy. Does anyone have a description or pictures of how it should look so that i can make a replacement or do you know where I can buy one ? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 13:57:56 GMT
Welcome BristolCS, Before we give an answer it would be nice to know if it's one we have seen before! We assess all current offers on eBay and this one rings a bell. Would it be this one? |
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Post by barbelman on Sept 30, 2012 16:03:43 GMT
I have just purchased an E J Riley table which has a working timer but the bar has been removed completely. There are two holes on each side of the table by the timer but I can't work out how the bar would have worked. The runners are thin strips of wood/plywood which guide the balls but they dont look strong enough to support anything heavy. Does anyone have a description or pictures of how it should look so that i can make a replacement or do you know where I can buy one ? Thanks Hi BristolCS It's basically a board of (usually) hardwood as long as the table is wide and about 8-9 inches deep with a pin fixed at each short end and a small brass 'striking plate' at the top which interacts with the timer/clock. These pins will locate in the holes you mention but the size of the piece of wood will vary with each make of table. I'm sure there are others on here with a Riley table and perhaps they could measure it for you. Your timer has a cam-like piece of metal sticking out the back of it and this is the release mechanism for the bar that enables it to drop. The runners take hardly any weight from the bar when it is down so it doesn't matter that they are only thin ply. I'll try and take some photos of a Jelkes table for you this week (unless someone already has some) so that you see the basic set up but as I say you will need the actual dimensions of the bar from another Riley owner. Sav may be able to offer much more technical and precise info. when he returns... Tony |
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Post by BristolCS on Sept 30, 2012 18:09:03 GMT
Thanks for the reply Tony
and yes that is the table tommo.
The thing I don't get is that the rod at the back of the timer is out when it has finished and in when in play,
so presumably it is "pushing" the bar to hold the balls and releasing it when in play.
I have had a reply that this is a pivot mechanism but I think I need to see a plan or picture
to work out how this works. I am guessing that the rod pushes the top of the bar up the runners to stop the
the balls then the bar falls back to release them when the rod goes in but I am not clear on this.
Thanks for your help
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Post by barbelman on Oct 7, 2012 16:37:42 GMT
Hi BristolCS
Here are a couple of photos of the bar mechanism primed and released. In the one with my hands in (!) the bar is up and the clock is running. The bar is being held by the white metal pin you can see resting against the brass square on the wooden bar. When the clock runs out, tension is released on the metal pin and the bar falls under it's own weight and starts to trap the balls as they are potted. When you insert another coin and pull the handle the pin is activated again and pushes down on the brass plate, thereby lifting the pivoted wooden bar. You can see the pivot brackets which hold the bar in the photo.
Hope this helps but if anything is unclear ask again
cheers
Tony
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Post by BristolCS on Oct 14, 2012 15:10:28 GMT
Thanks very much for the photos and help Tony. I think I can see how this works it's just the hinging mechanism I am wondering how I can recreate this.
Cheers
Chas
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Post by barbelman on Oct 14, 2012 15:24:34 GMT
Thanks very much for the photos and help Tony. I think I can see how this works it's just the hinging mechanism I am wondering how I can recreate this. Cheers Chas I think the hinge mechanism may be a stumbling block Chas as they are a bit specialised on the models I have seen but it should be possible to get the same effect another way.... cheers Tony Next time I have a table apart I'll measure and photograph everything which is what I should have done in the first place! :-/ |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 14, 2012 17:03:02 GMT
Found these across the pond, if you can find similar over here they should do fine. Pivot hinges left and Pivot hinges rightMake sure any you find swing on the horizontal axis not the vertical axis or the hinge will bind. Failing that you'll have to hang the bar from a support across the table Sav |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 15, 2012 11:26:45 GMT
Had great difficulty in finding these (or anything like) in the UK, Oxford Hardware appear to sell some of their stuff, but these are not listed, have emailed them. Sav |
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Post by barbelman on Oct 15, 2012 13:34:14 GMT
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 15, 2012 15:25:06 GMT
Had great difficulty in finding these (or anything like) in the UK, Oxford Hardware appear to sell some of their stuff, but these are not listed, have emailed them. Sav Not available and not cheap. Easiest and cheapest form of adaptation would simply be a ninety degree shelf bracket attached either end to the bar just off centre and single screw loosely to each side of the table. Sav |
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Post by BristolCS on Oct 18, 2012 12:52:25 GMT
Thanks for all your help guys.
Its a shame those companion hinges aren't available and are expensive as they look like the answer.
I will try the hinge solution and let you know.
Please let me know if you find any other solutions or hear of any spares.
Thanks again, Cheers
Chas
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 23, 2012 13:45:05 GMT
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 23, 2012 14:01:12 GMT
Even more options searching on 'swing hinge'
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Post by BristolCS on Oct 25, 2012 14:11:02 GMT
A plethora - thanks,
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Post by BristolCS on Oct 31, 2012 20:43:50 GMT
Thanks Sav, Ivor has been able to help me with the skittles, pointer and the bar. Excellent (Try my sage and mentor Ivor Champion at his site, he was painting some black ones last time I talked. www.bar-billiards.com/) |
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