Team Cup Quarter Finals

[bobhall]

MID SUSSEX BAR BILLIARD LEAGUE


DRAW FOR TEAM KNOCK-OUT CUP


To be played on Wednesday  9th January


All matches shall be played on neutral tables.  The first drawn team will be
considered the ‘home’ side and the order of play will be drawn as for a
normal league match.  The ‘home’ side shall take the first breaks in games 2
and 4, the ‘away’ side shall take the first breaks in games 1 and 3.  Even
breaks shall be played in game 5 with the first break being decided by the
toss of a coin.



Eight Bells3 V HHUSC2 @ St Francis

Hurst A1 V Plough4 @ Eight Bells

Watermill Phoenix and St francis both have byes










Rob Hall competition secretary 07710 279962

Please send all results to Rob Hall, as stated on result card

[BB Warrior]

Dec 23, 2012 20:57:49 GMT bobhall said:

MID SUSSEX BAR BILLIARD LEAGUE


DRAW FOR TEAM KNOCK-OUT CUP


Eight Bells V HHUSC @ St Francis

Hurst A V Plough @ Eight Bells

Watermill Phoenix and St francis both have byes

Forgive me for saying this... but what a strange way to do a competition. ::)

Surely you should give the "byes" in the first round of a competition.... not in the quarter-finals!! :o

12 teama in the League.... 4 get "byes" in the first round and have the chance to still play in the Plate if they lose their first match,,,, that way you get a full line-up of 8 teams for the quarter-finals. ;)

[bobhall]

It's ok bb warrior it is the way I do it as comp secretary that way there is everyone playing in first round. If so someone is lucky enough to draw the bye then good luck to them

[Baby Guinness]

Dec 25, 2012 0:33:07 GMT BB Warrior said:

Dec 23, 2012 20:57:49 GMT bobhall said:

MID SUSSEX BAR BILLIARD LEAGUE


DRAW FOR TEAM KNOCK-OUT CUP


Eight Bells V HHUSC @ St Francis

Hurst A V Plough @ Eight Bells

Watermill Phoenix and St francis both have byes

Forgive me for saying this... but what a strange way to do a competition. ::)

Surely you should give the "byes" in the first round of a competition.... not in the quarter-finals!! :o

12 teama in the League.... 4 get "byes" in the first round and have the chance to still play in the Plate if they lose their first match,,,, that way you get a full line-up of 8 teams for the quarter-finals. ;)

The way Rob has done it is correct, which is the way Mid Sussex has always drawn it and played it that way, I have played in mid-Sussex for years and is correct
Well done Rob your doing a good job for your 1st season, stick with it.

[BB Warrior]

Dec 26, 2012 17:37:58 GMT Baby Guinness said:

Dec 25, 2012 0:33:07 GMT BB Warrior said:

12 teama in the League.... 4 get "byes" in the first round and have the chance to still play in the Plate if they lose their first match,,,, that way you get a full line-up of 8 teams for the quarter-finals. ;)

The way Rob has done it is correct, which is the way Mid Sussex has always drawn it and played it that way, I have played in mid-Sussex for years and is correct
Well done Rob your doing a good job for your 1st season, stick with it.

Until this year, there have been 16 teams in MSBBL for many years so obviously all of the teams have to go into the first round.... :P

If you look at any AEBBA or Open Competition you have the byes in the first round, not in the quarter or semi-finals.... and surely that makes more sense?? ::)

But, obviously you can run your own competitions however you like.... it was only meant as a helpful suggestion as I thought that a mistake must have been made. :-X


[edit - tidied up quotes to make the meaning clearer - Sav]

[bobhall]

I see what your saying Dave but I don't agree with byes in first round if not needed I feel you should decide who is in main and who is in plate from the start. Then if a team does get a bye due to having less teams then that's the way it happens but I appreciate your comments and thoughts

Many thanks

Boball

Dec 25, 2012 0:33:07 GMT BB Warrior said:

12 teams in the League.... 4 get "byes" in the first round and have the chance to still play in the Plate if they lose their first match,,,, that way you get a full line-up of 8 teams for the quarter-finals. ;)

With respect Dave, I don't think that your 'alternative method' is an improvement on the format as decided, for the simple reason that the first round of Plate would be deferred whilst the eventual line-up was resolved - causing an extra set night for play which couldn't be a Wednesday.

The best way when handling a lineup of twelve would be to have four groups of three playing a round-robin, with the four group winners being the semi-finalists - exactly like Lorraine did for the 2012 Premier Div Masters. But then there would be arguments on how to proceed from there -

• should the four runners-up only contest the Plate ?
  
• should there then be 4 left in the Main and 8 left to contest the Plate ?
  
• should all the group winners and runners-up still contest the Main (wnr of Grp 1 v r-u of Grp 2, etc) and just the 4 bottom teams go to the Plate semi-final ?
  

Quite honestly the fairest way in the circumstances seems to be to involve everyone in the first round, as Bob says. That way teams are divided into two pools of equal size, and I can remember this principle being argued, hammered out and established at committee in years gone by.

Besides, this method is the ONLY one that fits the League's programme without creating an extra round and causing the inconvenience of an extra night's play.

[BB Warrior]

Dec 28, 2012 14:55:41 GMT tommo III said:

Dec 25, 2012 0:33:07 GMT BB Warrior said:

12 teams in the League.... 4 get "byes" in the first round and have the chance to still play in the Plate if they lose their first match,,,, that way you get a full line-up of 8 teams for the quarter-finals. ;)

With respect Dave, I don't think that your 'alternative method' is an improvement on the format as decided, for the simple reason that the first round of Plate would be deferred whilst the eventual line-up was resolved - causing an extra set night for play which couldn't be a Wednesday.

The best way when handling a lineup of twelve would be to have four groups of three playing a round-robin, with the four group winners being the semi-finalists - exactly like Lorraine did for the 2012 Premier Div Masters. But then there would be arguments on how to proceed from there -

• should the four runners-up only contest the Plate ?
  
• should there then be 4 left in the Main and 8 left to contest the Plate ?
  
• should all the group winners and runners-up still contest the Main (wnr of Grp 1 v r-u of Grp 2, etc) and just the 4 bottom teams go to the Plate semi-final ?
  

Quite honestly the fairest way in the circumstances seems to be to involve everyone in the first round, as Bob says. That way teams are divided into two pools of equal size, and I can remember this principle being argued, hammered out and established at committee in years gone by.

Besides, this method is the ONLY one that fits the League's programme without creating an extra round and causing the inconvenience of an extra night's play.

I could reply to a lot of these points..... but, as I have said before, I only posted here to start with as I thought that a mistake had been made and clearly any League have the right to run their own competitions in any way that they wish to.  So, good luck to all of the teams that are playing.... and those that have the byes! ;D

Dec 28, 2012 21:14:59 GMT BB Warrior said:

I could reply to a lot of these points..... but, as I have said before, I only posted here to start with as I thought that a mistake had been made and clearly any League have the right to run their own competitions in any way that they wish to.  So, good luck to all of the teams that are playing.... and those that have the byes! ;D

.........and just in case my motives are misread, they weren't intended to engage Dave in our usual game of verbal ping-pong, but rather to offer some scope for consideration by Mid Sussex in case they wished to expand the competition in a future year (eg make use of an extra free night in the first half).

I echo Dave in saying good luck to all teams in the competition.

[bobhall]

Plough 4 hurst a 1

Jan beat Peter e
Dave beat Jenny
Chase got a spanking by boball
Ric gave a spanking to papa hall and seal the win
Darren added more misery for hurst beating Andy

Excellent food served and a nice quite pub yes quite not 1 local in there

[Ros]

Eight Bells 3    HHUSC 2

Ros	2330	Terry Gasson*	2910
Trevor*	1260	Mick Kirwan	3510
Derek	2450	Huw Lincoln*	2140
Tony*	3690	Andy Guy	1050
Dilly*	4960	Sparky*	1300

Tony was our "man of the match": pulling out a PB on a tricky table and keeping us in contention. 8-)