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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jul 2, 2007 22:23:45 GMT
Any comments from our English chums on the smoking ban ?
Has it affected anyone's bar billiards games ?
Clearer air, clearer eyes, higher scores ?
We have had the ban for a year now and all got use to some folks popping out for a quickie between matches.
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Jul 2, 2007 22:52:22 GMT
Well i am a smoker, has it made a difference for me? No!!!! it hasn't caused me any problems apart from smoke a little less and get wet when it rains. All tho i would like to know is what has happened to equel rights? Isn't it up to the person to chose whether he or she smokes or not?
I must admit as a smoker i have always smoked away from food as i do not like people smoking over food myself if i am eating.
But also surely it is also up to the Landlord or lady to decide whether their pub is smoking or non?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2007 22:58:37 GMT
A quickie between matches? A very friendly league one assumes!!
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Post by Hammy on Jul 3, 2007 8:21:14 GMT
Being a non smoker I must admit I am pleased with the ban. We played our match last night last night in a nice smoke free pub. Nice to get home and not stink of smoke! :)
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Post by milhouse on Jul 3, 2007 9:54:03 GMT
All tho i would like to know is what has happened to equel rights? Isn't it up to the person to chose whether he or she smokes or not? quote] What about the non-smokers around you? they dont have the choice to not smoke if you are smoking by them!
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Post by milhouse on Jul 3, 2007 9:55:29 GMT
The time will tell this weekend what effect it has had. My local can get very smoky at times, so i welcome this ban a great deal. It will also help with the table as it will not need to be cleaned so much ;)
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Jul 3, 2007 10:03:05 GMT
What about the non-smokers around you? they dont have the choice to not smoke if you are smoking by them! Yes i see that point aswell, it isn't fair for a non smoker to suffer because of other smokers such as myself and dont have an answer for your statement.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jul 3, 2007 11:00:18 GMT
A quickie between matches? A very friendly league one assumes!! Just a shame we havn't got any female players in the Guernsey league !
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 3, 2007 12:35:04 GMT
Just a shame we havn't got any female players in the Guernsey league ! Since when has that stopped you lot nipping out for a 'Quickie' ;D I think the total ban on smoking is a shame with the technology available now. Unfortunately many landlords and smokers have made no effort to protect non-smokers, so here we are! Picking up the clothes from the floor this morning was a pleasant non-stinking surprise! I've just bought a big BMW motorcycle from Guernsey. The trouble I've had with Customs in particular and DVLA, you wouldn't believe we speak the same language!! Sav
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jul 3, 2007 14:48:31 GMT
I've just bought a big BMW motorcycle from Guernsey. The trouble I've had with Customs in particular and DVLA, you wouldn't believe we speak the same language!! Sav[/quote]
Some sort of VAT advantage I guess ??? A few jobsworths working at Customs I hear. Should have had a word with my mate Robert from the Harley owners group who could have advised you on how to speed this along. If you keep it registered in Guernsey you will not have to pay any road tax as from next year. Send me a pm if you are still having problems.
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Post by beefy on Jul 4, 2007 13:37:06 GMT
Yep they will want their import tax and VAT.
As for the smoking I say its 17 years to late becuase if it had been done back then I would not have had to put up with passive smoking all these years.
I as a non smoker don't mind people who do smoke as they are paying all those wonderful taxes to the government and keeping non smokers down. after all the damage has been done to those that have smoked but the time delay before the NHS pays can be lenghty and will a lot give up don't know yet. Will our taxes go up if they do almost certianly with the way the NHS is now.
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Post by winkle on Jul 4, 2007 16:34:20 GMT
As a smoker who is trying to give up,the smoking ban is probably doing me a favour. I have always tried to live peaceably with nonsmokers, smoking away from them if asked politely, although some nonsmokers were noticeably aggresive in their demands, and have always abided by any laws or local bylaws regarding smoking. I do know of one of our players who, being 6ft 8inches tall, was literally walking with his head in the clouds whilst the World Championship was being held in The DeNormandie. For his own health, he was forced to stop attending the competition, but now the smoking ban is in, has said that he will be returning to Jersey. I can only see this as a good thing really, especially as he is a good player and a really nice bloke.
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Post by Colemanator on Jul 4, 2007 19:31:03 GMT
I agree with the ban, as an occasional smoker i don't have an issue with going outside if i want to, I have never agreed with smoking in a restaraunt, my only gripe with vehemently anti smokers is that they disregard the fact that they drive carbonmonoxide belching vehicles, with a usual answer that they have to 'get about' or 'to get to work', coupled with the fact that carbon monoxide poisons people, animals and the enviroment doesn't deter the anti smoker, they have what i call blinkered vision. :-/
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Post by CraigC on Jul 7, 2007 14:35:40 GMT
The match on Tuesday was noticeable for the smokers who kept disappearing out the door.
Also, though, was something more subtle - the fresh air. It takes the smoking ban to make you fully appreciate the effect that a small group of smokers have had on the enjoyment of the rest of us. I wasn't either for or against the ban, either.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 7, 2007 14:39:28 GMT
As a smoker who is trying to give up,the smoking ban is probably doing me a favour. I have always tried to live peaceably with nonsmokers, smoking away from them if asked politely, although some nonsmokers were noticeably aggresive in their demands, and have always abided by any laws or local bylaws regarding smoking. I do know of one of our players who, being 6ft 8inches tall, was literally walking with his head in the clouds whilst the World Championship was being held in The DeNormandie. For his own health, he was forced to stop attending the competition, but now the smoking ban is in, has said that he will be returning to Jersey. I can only see this as a good thing really, especially as he is a good player and a really nice bloke. Winkle - As a fellow Kent player who also continued to stay at the De Normandie last year when the WC was played at the Ommaroo, think you'll agree that the (non-smokey) environment there was much improved last year. Just a shame the bar staff didn't always like customers.
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Post by winkle on Jul 7, 2007 16:51:22 GMT
Craig- it wasn't that the De Normandie barman didn't like customers, he just didn't like customers who wanted a drink at sensible hours ie after the pubs had chucked out. ;) I do actually agree with you,and had no trouble with going outside for a smoke if the need arose. Are you playing cannon fodder again this year? ;D
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Post by CraigC on Jul 8, 2007 9:46:53 GMT
Craig- Are you playing cannon fodder again this year? ;D Do you mean next week? Must admit, when I saw the KC draw, did check to see my route through the Plate. ;) At least Chris Gent (Pacman) has got an easy draw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 16:36:41 GMT
I am now working through my 8th day of not smoking. I hate everyone, the world, society and the inane banality that is the media and culture of this country now. I am likely to get divorced within the week but that may be after I get incarcerated for murder.
Yay!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 18:41:06 GMT
Being a non smoker I must admit I am pleased with the ban. We played our match last night last night in a nice smoke free pub. Nice to get home and not stink of smoke! :) Hammy has a good point with which I can identify. Some pubs are worse than others: some had smoke extractors which didn't make it too bad. But a good example of the effect it could have had was the Horse and Groom pub in Horsham, which used to have it's ceiling repainted from brown back to cream every six months on a regular basis. :o
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2007 22:29:57 GMT
When I used to play - the Dolphin in Wallingford used to be really hard because of the smoke. This was before I smoked, obviously.
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Post by bigtj on Jul 10, 2007 9:33:23 GMT
As a total non-smoker who can hold hand on heart to say have never smoked, I feel for the smokers as I have always felt that we choose to enter the atmosphere of a publichouse which traditionally has always been a smoking environment. Surely some of you remember that pubs used to be split into seperate areas and we used to have snugs, public bars and saloons.
If this was still so one would have the choice of entering the smoking or non-smoking areas, it is only the onset of pubs being knocked into one bar that has taken away that choice. It is nice not to get moaned at on arrival hame that you stink of cigerrate smoke.
Looking to another arguement, if we force people to abandon smoking in droves, then the government will have to find other ways of taxing us to regain the lost revenue. This could mean us non-smokers will regret the smoking ban as well.
As we know there will always be counter arguements, but I was always of the opinion that we live in a democratic!!! and freedom of choice state. This is another example of authority moulding our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 9:50:36 GMT
Well said TJ,
I'm celebrating more than 40 years of being a non-smoker (I gave up whilst still at school ;D ) but I believe in freedom of choice for others, so long as they don't get too close to me and burn my jacket which happened to me once.
As you say, virtually criminalising what is just really a filthy habit could have a knock-on effect with loss of tax revenue etc.
Makes one wonder what this government will find to tax next, VAT on food being a soft target.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 15:53:55 GMT
Hey, stop the bus!!
Before tommo goes on yet another right wing Thatcherite rant shall we get a little perspective. Just for a laugh?!?
There was a full cost/benefit analysis undertaken and published to clearly demonstrate the financial implications of encouraging the general public (i.e. me!) to stop smoking :- by means of many things, not least the smoking ban.
You may have noticed that a significant investment has been made in the last 12 months in activities to support the smoking ban and it's effects. I'll give you some examples: - There has been a significant investment in anti smoking clinics funded by NHS - Increases in media advertising of various state sponsored help for quitting smoking so that all citizens can be engaged with - Investment in alternative provision such as hypnosis and accupuncture as possible treatments for those who wish to quit.
So, taking this massive investment into account and add to that the predicted tax losses due to more people giving up smoking and fewer, therefore, being purchased, this figure amounted to only 46% of the money that is spent directly on treating the illnesses that are DIRECTLY attributable to smoking and passive smoking.
Further, it did not, however, take into account the increased tax revenue on those corporations that sell the 'Quit Smoking' products. Some market analysts have predicted (and again this is published information) that this increased revenue may amount to up to 7% of the original taxation on cigarettes, cigars etc.
As ever - this information is available for those that wish to achieve a balanced view.
As you can tell - by the passion shown in the above - I am struggling through my 9th day of not smoking. (Not killed anyone yet though!! Yay!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 16:54:08 GMT
A long, long time ago - when I was still at school in fact - there was an anti-smoking advertisement on TV: a very simple advert but it came across well, and you could say it changed my life.
Up till then I had smoked about 50 a day, whatever I could get my hands on - Weights, Senior Service, Nelson, Guards, Silk Cut, Players No.6, those stinky french Camel ones, ones with menthol tips. (There was no poncy Lambert & Butler in those days.)
The advert put forward a choice of two young lads - one miserably turning out his empty pockets, and the other beaming, sitting astride a gleaming motor scooter.
I gave up there and then. Three years later I got my nice gleaming scooter. As I say, a life-changing decision. I have been proud to be a capitalist ever since. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 17:26:00 GMT
Good for you. I wish I found it that easy!! ;)
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Post by davemay on Jul 10, 2007 19:35:17 GMT
A chronic chest pain that my ( late ) mother thought was a heart attack and 24 hours in a hospital ward wired up to an E.C.G. with it trundling out the data every 2 hours was enough to convince me to stop. The secret is not to tell anybody close to you ( ie Work mates, Drinking pals etc ) but to say no thanks, i don't fancy one at the minute.
Also, the good news was that I did not have a heart attack, but the experience sure scared the s**t out of me. That was 18 years ago, and I have not smoked since.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2007 22:27:44 GMT
And it is to your credit, well done, and I am genuinely delighted for you. I'm a bit jealous, however, I have to say. Not the heart scare thing (I'm not at all jealous of that!!) but the 18 years bit. I sincerely hope I will be able to say the same. It really is very tough though.
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Post by davemay on Jul 11, 2007 19:59:45 GMT
Lorin,
It does become slightly easier as the days go by. and if it helps, I worked with a guy a few yeays ago, and he had packed up smoking, and when asked about it, he just said,
When I get out of bed today, I tell myself I do not want a cigarette, nothing about tomoroow, or next week, just today
I hope you can stick it out, you will feel the benefit eventually
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 21:16:10 GMT
Well I do have to say...
Day 10 in the Lorin Clough house......the housemates are feeling a lot better and have thought about cigarettes for no more than a total of 1 hour and 24 minutes all day........
Thanks for your support. I'll crack it!!
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