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Post by joiner88 on Mar 26, 2014 20:32:54 GMT
A sneak preview of something I have been working on for some time, 
Copied from this one I have just rebuilt 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 23:13:33 GMT
As far as replicas go, looks of the highest quality so far.....
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Post by barbelman on Mar 27, 2014 4:28:56 GMT
Fantastic job Joiner....looks amazing! Can you make ten in balsa wood for the AEBBA please?  Tony |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 27, 2014 8:44:24 GMT
With That I am very impressed!
How did you manage the leg joints please?
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 27, 2014 12:05:13 GMT
Is it new, or is it a refurb?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 14:27:01 GMT
Joiner is in the process of manufacturing a modern-day Jelkes replica, Ian. Bottom picture is his "line sample" model, and the top picture shows his progress so far. Looks like the frame, rack and legs are complete and timer added. Still to do I would imagine are the channels, dropping bar, drilling of slate and covering with cloth. This will be the first table in over 50 years to be made to a Jelkes specification !  |
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 27, 2014 17:30:41 GMT
Well it certainly looks impressive.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 18:15:06 GMT
Joiner is in the process of manufacturing a modern-day Jelkes replica, Ian. Bottom picture is his "line sample" model, and the top picture shows his progress so far. Looks like the frame, rack and legs are complete and timer added. Still to do I would imagine are the channels, dropping bar, drilling of slate and covering with cloth. This will be the first table in over 50 years to be made to a Jelkes specification ! The ball channels are in there Tommo, I am currently contemplating which way to go with the slate. I have a pool table slate which is 18mm thick and very heavy, I would like to use this as it would make a better surface than the original 12mm, but would probably need lifting assisters? I do have a 12mm snooker slate so may opt to go original. I am in the process of making the bar hinges again trying to replicate the originals. If anyone has any pocket rings knocking about I would be very interested, the modern white ones are rubbish. More pics soon Brian |
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 18:33:54 GMT
With That I am very impressed!
How did you manage the leg joints please?
Sav 
20mm nut in a very tight mortice and the covered with a matching timber plug.
Thread bar drilled 150mm into leg, grooves cut with angle grinder along thread bar, then epoxy resin into leg. Had them pull tested to over 1.5 tons. 
Leg adjusters are 16mm thread bar welded into 50mm x 6mm disc and 8mm thick socket recessed into bottom of leg 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 19:22:26 GMT
It all looks wonderfully impressive.
It will be very interesting, once completed, to get an idea of total build cost because I suspect the average eBay £750 - £1000 will be well below the cost to make.
Although maybe, once processes are refined a little and, you could be knocking them out weekly!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 19:42:34 GMT
If anyone has any pocket rings knocking about I would be very interested, the modern white ones are rubbish. More pics soon Brian Decent pocket rings are indeed now in short supply, as per this Forum thread: barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/13385/bar-billiard-table-pocket-ringsIt sounds as if using Champs (= Ian Champion, based in Guernsey) as a go-between might be the best bet. |
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Post by barbelman on Mar 27, 2014 19:50:25 GMT
If anyone has any pocket rings knocking about I would be very interested, the modern white ones are rubbish. More pics soon Brian Have a look at www.mercuryleisure.co.uk/barbilliards#refurbishing where there two sets of rings listed at 65mm and 63mm. The 63mm ones are "new design" and may be our more traditional ones. They are the right diameter as opposed to the fast drop ones. May be worth asking for a photo.... Tony |
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 19:55:48 GMT
It all looks wonderfully impressive. It will be very interesting, once completed, to get an idea of total build cost because I suspect the average eBay £750 - £1000 will be well below the cost to make. Although maybe, once processes are refined a little and, you could be knocking them out weekly!! Hi Elsie The main cost would be the slate and timer. If I could produce them in batches of 10 I reckon they would be around £2000 - £2200 with not much profit. This was very much a "hobby" exercise for me. As I wanted to see if I could improve on the original. The main problem (as Sav knows too well) is that the corner joints are a major weakness due to a large part of the tenons having to be cut away to accommodate the female thread blocks. 
Which, when the table is dragged or pushed around splits the cheeks of the corner blocks 
The animal based resin glue also breaks down over time.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 19:57:50 GMT
Have a look at www.mercuryleisure.co.uk/barbilliards#refurbishing where there two sets of rings listed at 65mm and 63mm. The 63mm ones are "new design" and may be our more traditional ones. They are the right diameter as opposed to the fast drop ones. May be worth asking for a photo.... Tony Thanks Tony
I will get in touch with them
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 20:28:11 GMT
You may find a niggly little problem comes right at the end when you wish to label up the pockets......the only sets of markers for the pockets that I can find - again Mercury Leisure - have one too many 10 markers and one two few 30 hole markers - obviously designed with 4-Pin in mind. Mushrooms (£44 a set of four) and Pegs (£60 a set of three) are now at an extortionate price and I would imagine you will wish to turn out your own sets of these: same with scoreboards, although the markers for these come as part of the pocket marker set:  |
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 28, 2014 16:15:04 GMT
You may find a niggly little problem comes right at the end when you wish to label up the pockets......the only sets of markers for the pockets that I can find - again Mercury Leisure - have one too many 10 markers and one two few 30 hole markers - obviously designed with 4-Pin in mind. Mushrooms (£44 a set of four) and Pegs (£60 a set of three) are now at an extortionate price and I would imagine you will wish to turn out your own sets of these: same with scoreboards, although the markers for these come as part of the pocket marker set: Hi Clive I have got a set of those numbers and they are not that impressive, but I have a man working on replicating the jelkes ones by etching black numbers into white plastic.
I have made several sets of skittles, these are the latest. American black walnut and American white ash. 
I have bought brass rails and pointers for the scoreboard, I have had them some time but will try to find out who I got them from. Also got some quite nice gold coloured numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 16:30:03 GMT
Very nice skittles, the colours reminiscent of high-quality chess pieces.
Should you ever decide to turn out a set of mushrooms, and don't have a line sample, let me know and I will take a photo of one taken apart (the two pieces snugfit together) and post it on here adding the dimensions.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 28, 2014 20:21:41 GMT
Very nice skittles, the colours reminiscent of high-quality chess pieces. Should you ever decide to turn out a set of mushrooms, and don't have a line sample, let me know and I will take a photo of one taken apart (the two pieces snugfit together) and post it on here adding the dimensions. Thanks again Clive for your feedback. I would be very interested in the mushrooms, some pics and dims would be great.
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 23:15:53 GMT
I would be very interested in the mushrooms, some pics and dims would be great. Brian Ok, will be on to it in the morning.  Info going up as promised, but will be on a separate thread to keep this one clear for your main project - tommo. |
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Post by joiner88 on Apr 2, 2014 19:52:14 GMT
Managed a few hours on Sunday to get the bar sorted out 
Hinges are 25 x 1.5mm steel bent to shape, the pivots in the oak bar are 4mm steel rod drilled out and epoxy glued in the edge strengthener is 10 x 6mm aluminium channel (all from Wickes) A bit of up and down adjustment and now works perfectly. 
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 15, 2014 9:19:56 GMT
I was wondering how the project was getting on? still looks superb to me!
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Post by joiner88 on Dec 15, 2014 21:59:36 GMT
I was wondering how the project was getting on? still looks superb to me! Hi Sav Project almost finished, but on hold at the moment as I have been inundated with "real" work. Many thanks for your advise on drilling the slate; it went perfectly and pocket rings went in a treat. I will get a photo of the (nearly) finished project up over the holiday. I am currently trying to get some numbers manufactured to (almost) match the originals
What may be of interest to you is that I am making a jig to cut 1 1/4 x 4 threads in beech, both male and female. I have almost perfected the male part, and hope that I can supply you with a sample to test in one of your tables, as my original table is set up in my local.
Brian
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Post by mw on Mar 30, 2016 22:02:05 GMT
that table looks awesome do you have a copy of your drawings
Cheers Matt
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 31, 2016 8:39:27 GMT
Hi Matt No problem, can send drawings in PDF, DWG(best for scale. let me know your email and I will fire them off to you.
I can also post full size drawings to you for a tenner, with lots of work in process photos.
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Post by joiner88 on Jun 15, 2019 19:23:49 GMT
I can’t believe it was over four years since I put this project on hold!. Anyway I have now found the perfect home for this table, and have today installed it into the “”Sea Trout Inn” Staverton, Devon, TQ9 6PA. I notice from the “Tables in Devon” thread that there has been a table here before. The pub has been closed for some months and I understand there has not been a table for some years. The Trout is due to reopen at the end of July. Having 11 en-suite bedroom it is a very picturesque place to stay, being right next to a heritage steam railway and the river a Dart.  |
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Post by milko on Jun 20, 2019 14:47:31 GMT
I went on that train only last week and it was a very nice and relaxing trip to Staverton then Totnes. We did all three for a reduced price, the Butterfly Farm, Steam train & Rare breeds farm. Will visit the Trout Inn in the near future when it's opened to have a game on the table.
Keith
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Post by milko on Sept 10, 2019 11:22:07 GMT
  Well we made it to the Sea Trout to play the table and what a beautiful thing it is. Brian has certainly done a superb job in making this table. It's a bit slow but providing you hit the break fairly hard with a bit of left hand side it plays very well indeed. I wonder how many people play it as the coin box sounded empty? The pub is very nice but the drink prices are higher than normal (£16 for two pints and two soft drinks) Next place to visit for us will be the Golden Lion in Brixham to see if they still have a table. Milko |
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