BIOC Ladies 2015

[milko]

Jul 23, 2015 12:18:08 GMT Baby Guinness said:

Why is it you have 26 entries in the Sussex off the spot, played in groups and double leg games, but the BIOC has less entries by 5
played in groups and only single leg games?

This would not happen in a MEN's competition, so why do us ladies have to put up with it.

Lorraine, The biggest tournament of the lot, the World Championships, is also played in groups with single legs.

I know it's to give players more games but I for one think it's better to have a straight K.O & Plate but that's just my opinion.

Keith

[BB Warrior]

Jul 23, 2015 14:12:35 GMT milko said:

Jul 23, 2015 12:18:08 GMT Baby Guinness said:

Why is it you have 26 entries in the Sussex off the spot, played in groups and double leg games, but the BIOC has less entries by 5
played in groups and only single leg games?

This would not happen in a MEN's competition, so why do us ladies have to put up with it.

Lorraine, The biggest tournament of the lot, the World Championships, is also played in groups with single legs.

I know it's to give players more games but I for one think it's better to have a straight K.O & Plate but that's just my opinion.

Keith

Hi Lorraine,

The simple answers to the above questions are as follows:-

1) It is easier to devise a format for 8 groups when you have 26 players than it is with only 21 players. The sex of the players involved was NOT a factor in the format.
2) You need to have at least 3 players to make it a "group", if you have an odd number of groups (I have looked at formats for 5 and 6 groups) then you leave yourself with the problem of how to make up the quarter-finals of the Main and Plate Competitions when you would have groups of uneven sizes. I suppose that 7 Groups would be a possibility although it would mean someone else doing the format as I simply do not have time to do it now.
3) The Sussex Off the Spot is scheduled to start earlier than the BIOC Ladies and, being a Saturday, there are perhaps not the same time constraints for an earlier finish that you have on a Sunday when everyone has to get up for work the next day.

When I first started to look at the formats, I discussed various options with members of the AEBBA and Sussex Committees.... the general impression I got was that most players (male and female) prefer to play more games and that groups would therefore be a good idea in preference to a straight K.O. Competition.

If that is not the case with the Ladies that are playing in the BIOC on Sunday, then I am happy for them to choose any of the following 3 alternatives....

1) The proposed format shown above of 4 groups of either 5 or 6 players with single legs.... double leg games in this format would mean that the competition would end at 10pm.
2) The alternative format (shown in post below) for 6 groups of either 3 or 4 players with double legs in all games.
3) A straight knock-out with Plate Competition, double legs in all games. This would need to have a new draw carried out on the day as some players have been slotted into gaps in both formats due to withdrawals and new players entering the competition.

I have formats for all 3 of those options so it would be easy to make a decision on the day.

[BB Warrior]

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Time	Table 1	Table 2	Table 3	Table 4	Table 5	Table 6
11.30	A3 v A4	B3 v B4	C3 v C4	D1 v D2	E1 v E2	F1 v F2		Group
12.15	A1 v A2	B1 v B2	C1 v C2	F3 v F1	D3 v D1	E3 v E1		Group
13.00	B2 v B3	A4 v A1	A2 v A3	B4 v B1	C4 v C1	C2 v C3		Group
13.45				E2 v E3	F2 v F3	D2 v D3		Group
14.30	C1 v C3	C2 v C4	B1 v B3	A1 v A3	A2 v A4	B2 v B4		Group
15.30								Main Q/F
16.15								Plate Q/F
17.00								Semi-Finals
17.45								Finals
	Group A		Group B		Group C
	COLLEEN PARK		JAN BITHELL		MEL STANDBRIDGE
	MICHELLE BADEN		LORRAINE HALL		BELLA STONER
	ANITA BLACKMAN		ROS APPLEBY		SAMI BADEN
	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE		SANDRA HALL		SAM OVER
	Group D		Group E		Group F
	KAREN BACCHUS		ZOE STONER		GENETTE NICHOLLS
	JENNY FLOREY		KAY COLE		SHEENA WOOD
	SUE OAKLEY		DENISE WILLS		PAULINE WITHEY
	BYE		BYE		BYE

Alternative proposal shown above for format of 6 groups, double legs in all games.

[Chris]

I am going to put my 'two pennies' worth in even though I am not playing ....

I applaud Dave for sorting the event, for me he is a star:

taking the event on and giving of his own time
promoting the event to attract a very good turn out for this year
constantly having to re-do formats and schedules to ensure byes are minimal, at late notice too
willing to be there at the start and end to put up/dismantle tables
organising and getting trophies sorted for the event

I would leave it as you had it Dave - just taking note for the future and maybe discussion at the AGM, via any proposal put forward in advance, or where all those that attend, can have their say.


You have done more than enough for us all

[bigtj]

Once again someone takes on thankless task and gives their time and dedication and they are not going to please all the people all the time, I do not want to be involved in the discussion on what format as I am one that goes along to the events I enter to try my best and also support the event and whoever is running it and always appreciate those who put in their time and effort to make things happen.

Whatever format is used can I just ask people to go along and get behind the event and support the organisers, this can be by helping set up the tables, clearing away or just volunteering to score during the day.

My apologies to Dave for not being available to help set up the tables today, circumstances dictate I am not available, but be assured I will be doing all I can to support and help tomorrow, once again I have prior commitments on Sunday.

Glory be to the unsung heroes who go out of their way to ensure everything happens, as Chrissie says turn up at the AGMS and voice your opinions. Please do not think that I am having a go at anyone personally but I sympathise with those who give their time up.

[BB Warrior]

Here is a working format for straight knock out competition with Plate, all legs would be doubles legs.

MAIN	Round 1					Round 2
	Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total		Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total
11.30	#N/A	0	0	0
Table 1	#N/A	0	0	0	13.00		0	0	0
11.30	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 3		0	0	0
Table 2	#N/A	0	0	0
11.30	#N/A	0	0	0
Table 3	#N/A	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
11.30	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 2		0	0	0
Table 4	#N/A	0	0	0
11.30	#N/A	0	0	0
Table 5	#N/A	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 6		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0	11.30		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 6		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 1		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 4		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 5		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0	12.15		0	0	0
	#N/A	0	0	0	Table 3		0	0	0
	BYE	0	0	0
	Quarter-Finals					Semi-Finals
	Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total		Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total
13.45		0	0	0
Table 5		0	0	0	15.15		0	0	0
13.45		0	0	0	Table TBA		0	0	0
Table 2		0	0	0
13.45		0	0	0
Table 6		0	0	0	15.15		0	0	0
13.45		0	0	0	Table 2		0	0	0
Table 4		0	0	0
	Final
	Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total
16.00		0	0	0
Table TBA		0	0	0
	Plate Round 1					Plate Quarter-Finals
	Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total		Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total
13.00		0	0	0
Table 4		0	0	0	14.30		0	0	0
13.00		0	0	0	Table 6		0	0	0
Table 5		0	0	0
13.00		0	0	0
Table 2	Bye	0	0	0	14.30		0	0	0
13.00		0	0	0	Table 3		0	0	0
Table 1	Bye	0	0	0
13.00		0	0	0
Table 6	Bye	0	0	0	14.30		0	0	0
		0	0	0	Table 5		0	0	0
	Bye	0	0	0
		0	0	0
	Bye	0	0	0	14.30		0	0	0
		0	0	0	Table 4		0	0	0
	Bye	0	0	0
	Plate Semi-Finals					Plate Final
	Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total		Player	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total
15.15	0.00	0	0	0
Table TBA	0.00	0	0	0	16.00		0	0	0
15.15	#REF!	0	0	0	Table TBA		0	0	0
Table TBA	#REF!	0	0	0

Since there have been some changes to the original entry list that was put into the draw, I would suggest that a fresh draw should be done if the straight knock-out format is chosen as the preferred type of competition.

I will have all 3 formats on my computer on Sunday and will ask the Ladies that are present which type of competition they would prefer to play, based on some of the responses that I have received from some people (here and by email/text etc) I am sure that there will be some differences of opinion so I will simply go with the majority.... as the old saying goes, you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time etc etc....

My thanks to those who will be helping to set up the tables and who have assisted with formats etc, much appreciated.

[BB Warrior]

With another player having withdrawn from the competition, we now have 20 entries for this competition.

When the Ladies have arrived, I will ask them which of the following options they would prefer to play...

1) 5 groups of 4 players, double legs in all games with main and plate quarter-finals to follow the group games. This would use the existing draw for groups that was carried out recently.
2) A straight knock-out competition with Plate for players that lose their first match, all matches would be double legs. A fresh draw would be done "live" at the event as the players that have entered late would not be in their correct positions based on entry for this type of format.

Since this competition is for the Ladies, I believe it should be their choice of which format (a majority of them) would like to play.

[bigtj]

good luck to all the ladies today

[bigtj]

Who won then??

["Silent"]

Jul 26, 2015 20:01:19 GMT bigtj said:

Who won then??

Sorry boss only just got in from 'helping' put the tables away Well done to Jean who beat Denise in the final. Anita won a very close plate final against Pauline. Another very well run day by Dave, that he feels unable to continue the hard work he puts into these days

[BB Warrior]

Congratulations to Jean Brackenridge on her victory at the Hurst Club today, beating Denise Wills in a good final.

With a majority of the ladies voting in favour of a Group Format, Jean emerged unbeaten from a very tough Group A while Denise had also gone unbeaten in an equally tough Group E, the other Group winners were Sandra Hall, Mel Standbridge and Jenny Florey with Bella Stoner, Sue Oakley and Lorraine Hall also progressing to the Main Quarter-Finals as the best 3 group runners-up. The losing semi-finalists were Jenny Florey and Sandra Hall.

Anita Blackman won the Plate Competition beating Pauline Withey by just 180 points in a nail-biting finish, the losing Plate Semi-Finalists were Ros Appleby and Genette Nicholss with Michelle Baden, Karen Bacchus and Jan Bithell the losing quarter-finalists.

There were a number of very good breaks on the day and, interestingly, the top 6 breaks of the day were made by different players with Jean hitting the best with 7,610 in one of her group games.

As always, there are many people to thank for their help.....

Dave Alder for delivering and collecting the tables.
Ian Lelliott, Jean Brackenridge and Kevin Hall for helping to set them up.
Colin Robbins for the usual excellent catering.... the curry was excellent.
Matthew Knight, Kevin Hall and others for running the raffle.... and the players who bought the tickets meaning AEBBA raised £101 on the day.
The Hurst Club for hosting the event and making us feel so welcome.
All of the people that stayed behind after the event to help take down the tables and load everything into the van.

Results shown below, I hope that everybody enjoyed the day.

[BB Warrior]

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Time/Table	GROUP A	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total	Win Point
A3
11.30	ANITA BLACKMAN	1,510	2,140	3,650	0
Table 1	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	1,920	9,410	11,330	4
A4
A2
12.15	MICHELLE BADEN	6,830	5,180	12,010	3
Table 2	ANITA BLACKMAN	1,620	8,430	10,050	1
A3
A4
12.15	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	11,220	1,660	12,880	3
Table 6	COLLEEN PARK	1,190	4,440	5,630	1
A1
A1
13.00	COLLEEN PARK	1,710	170	1,880	0
Table 5	MICHELLE BADEN	4,810	5,140	9,950	4
A2
A3
13.45	ANITA BLACKMAN	6,120	4,630	10,750	4
Table 3	COLLEEN PARK	1,220	2,130	3,350	0
A1
A2
13.45	MICHELLE BADEN	1,950	550	2,500	0
Table 4	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	6,560	10,650	17,210	4
A4
POS	PLAYER	PLAYED	WON	LOST	SCORE	AVERAGE	POINTS
1	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	3	3	0	41,420	6,903	11
2	MICHELLE BADEN	3	2	1	24,460	4,077	7
3	ANITA BLACKMAN	3	1	2	24,450	4,075	5
4	COLLEEN PARK	3	0	3	10,860	1,810	1

[BB Warrior]

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Time/Table	GROUP B	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total	Points
B3					-
11.30	ROS APPLEBY	2250	1480	3730	1
Table 2	SANDRA HALL	1010	8530	9540	3
B4
B1
12.15	JAN BITHELL	2950	860	3810	0
Table 3	LORRAINE HALL	3250	3990	7240	4
B2
B2
13.00	LORRAINE HALL	4140	1280	5420	3
Table 6	ROS APPLEBY	1990	2510	4500	1
B3
B4
13.45	SANDRA HALL	2630	6390	9020	3
Table 5	JAN BITHELL	2810	1430	4240	1
B1
B3
14.30	ROS APPLEBY	3810	1510	5320	1
Table 1	JAN BITHELL	3280	4060	7340	3
B1
B2
14.30	LORRAINE HALL	2420	2770	5190	1
Table 4	SANDRA HALL	3500	2380	5880	3
B4					-
POS	PLAYER	PLAYED	WON	LOST	SCORE	AVERAGE	POINTS
1	SANDRA HALL	3	3	0	24,440	4,073	9
2	LORRAINE HALL	3	2	1	17,850	2,975	8
3	JAN BITHELL	3	1	2	15,390	2,565	4
4	ROS APPLEBY	3	0	3	13,550	2,258	3

[BB Warrior]

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Time/Table	GROUP C	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total	Win Point
C3					-
11.30	SAM OVER	1780	1020	2800	0
Table 6	KAREN BACCHUS	4440	1490	5930	4
C4
C1
12.15	MEL STANDBRIDGE	5380	6120	11500	4
Table 4	BELLA STONER	2440	4260	6700	0
C2
C2
13.00	BELLA STONER	6820	2400	9220	4
Table 2	SAM OVER	1320	860	2180	0
C3
C4
13.45	KAREN BACCHUS	2690	0	2690	1
Table 1	MEL STANDBRIDGE	1360	6420	7780	3
C1
C3
14.30	SAM OVER	1360	1000	2360	0
Table 3	MEL STANDBRIDGE	3340	4240	7580	4
C1
C2
14.30	BELLA STONER	6530	4340	10870	4
Table 5	KAREN BACCHUS	1550	1230	2780	0
C4					-
POS	PLAYER	PLAYED	WON	LOST	SCORE	AVERAGE	POINTS
1	MEL STANDBRIDGE	3	3	0	26,860	4,477	11
2	BELLA STONER	3	2	1	26,790	4,465	8
3	KAREN BACCHUS	3	1	2	11,400	1,900	5
4	SAM OVER	3	0	3	7,340	1,223	0

[BB Warrior]

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Time/Table	GROUP D	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total	Win Point
D3					-
11.30	ZOE STONER	2420	2450	4870	3
Table 4	KAY COLE	2640	1810	4450	1
D4
D1
12.15	JENNY FLOREY	4350	2000	6350	3
Table 5	SUE OAKLEY	2520	2710	5230	1
D2
D4
13.00	KAY COLE	1080	1330	2410	0
Table 1	JENNY FLOREY	1700	2260	3960	4
D1
D2
13.00	SUE OAKLEY	5310	4770	10080	4
Table 3	ZOE STONER	730	770	1500	0
D3
D3
Table 2	ZOE STONER	1450	1600	3050	0
14.30	JENNY FLOREY	2760	2020	4780	4
D1
D2
Table 6	SUE OAKLEY	2810	2440	5250	4
14.30	KAY COLE	940	1690	2630	0
D4
POS	PLAYER	PLAYED	WON	LOST	SCORE	AVERAGE	POINTS
1	JENNY FLOREY	3	3	0	15,090	2,515	11
2	SUE OAKLEY	3	2	1	20,560	3,427	9
3	ZOE STONER	3	1	2	9,420	1,570	3
4	KAY COLE	3	0	3	9,490	1,582	1

[BB Warrior]

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Time/Table	GROUP E	Leg 1	Leg 2	Total	Win Point
E1					-
11.30	DENISE WILLS	8330	6930	15260	4
Table 3	GENETTE NICHOLLS	2660	2950	5610	0
E2
E3
11.30	SHEENA WOOD	2600	620	3220	1
Table 5	PAULINE WITHEY	2300	4920	7220	3
E4
E4
12.15	PAULINE WITHEY	3010	2650	5660	0
Table 1	DENISE WILLS	5980	3520	9500	4
E1
E2
13.00	GENETTE NICHOLLS	5820	2440	8260	4
Table 4	SHEENA WOOD	770	1020	1790	0
E3
E3
13.45	SHEENA WOOD	2640	2330	4970	1
Table 2	DENISE WILLS	2220	3850	6070	3
E1
E2
13.45	GENETTE NICHOLLS	2230	5820	8050	3
Table 6	PAULINE WITHEY	2440	4060	6500	1
E4					-
POS	PLAYER	PLAYED	WON	LOST	SCORE	AVERAGE	POINTS
1	DENISE WILLS	3	3	0	30,830	5,138	11
2	GENETTE NICHOLLS	3	2	1	21,920	3,653	7
3	PAULINE WITHEY	3	1	2	19,380	3,230	4
4	SHEENA WOOD	3	0	3	9,980	1,663	2

[BB Warrior]

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Quarter-Finals	MAIN
Winner A
15.30	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	910	3540	4450
Table 3	BELLA STONER	3060	1310	4370
2nd Best Runner-Up
Winner C
15.30	MEL STANDBRIDGE	520	5310	5830
Table 6	JENNY FLOREY	4110	4090	8200
Winner D
Winner B
15.30	SANDRA HALL	3360	3240	6600
Table 1	SUE OAKLEY	2080	1580	3660
Best Runner-Up
Winner E
15.30	DENISE WILLS	3070	5220	8290
Table 5	LORRAINE HALL	4710	1660	6370
3rd Best Runner-Up
Semi-Finals	MAIN
17.30	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	5800	5800	11600
Table 1	JENNY FLOREY	2210	1800	4010
17.30	SANDRA HALL	1920	890	2810
Table 6	DENISE WILLS	8810	5790	14600
FINAL	MAIN
18.15	JEAN BRACKENRIDGE	4710	4300	9010
Table 3	DENISE WILLS	4840	2680	7520

[BB Warrior]

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Quarter-Finals	PLATE
Runner-Up 4
16.15	MICHELLE BADEN	2260	2520	4780
Table 3	ROS APPLEBY	2470	3620	6090
Fourth 1
Third 2
16.15	KAREN BACCHUS	1300	2680	3980
Table 2	PAULINE WITHEY	6610	2120	8730
Third 3
Runner-Up 5
16.15	GENETTE NICHOLLS	4540	3860	8400
Table 5	ZOE STONER	1180	1220	2400
Third 5
Third 1
16.15	ANITA BLACKMAN	3360	4770	8130
Table 4	JAN BITHELL	3980	1710	5690
Third 4
Semi-Finals	PLATE
17.30	ROS APPLEBY	1300	840	2140
Table 4	PAULINE WITHEY	5350	7570	12920
17.30	GENETTE NICHOLLS	2070	1920	3990
Table 3	ANITA BLACKMAN	4050	3930	7980
FINAL	PLATE
18.15	PAULINE WITHEY	1280	4710	5990
Table 1	ANITA BLACKMAN	5550	620	6170

It seems that after all Dave achieved beyond the odds in managing to keep all the Ladies happy in running a good competition to their chosen format.
This is after all a National event and Dave deserves full credit from the AEBBA for running it this year in Sussex on their behalf.

Well done to Jean on her triumph and commiserations to Denise, and similar to Anita and Pauline in the Plate.
Another thumbs up goes to Dave for getting the full transcript on here so quickly and efficiently.

[BB Warrior]

A couple more thank-you's that I should have included in my previous post....

To Colleen Park for getting the raffle prizes.... and to the many ladies that also kindly donated raffle prizes on the day. I think that we had a lovely selection of prizes on the day which perhaps explains why the raffle was so successful.

Thank you all.

[bigtj]

well done to Jean, commiserations to Denise and for the plate to Anita and likewise commiserations Pauline. To Dave for taking on the running of this and his team of helpers.

Dave does a great job in running the competitions he does and I will be very sorry to see him drop out of helping with future competitions, he is the backbone of the Sussex singles and Doubles running smoothly, I am ok getting the entries and doing the running about but his administration skills are what makes everything gel on the day.

[jordans]

Well done Jean - looking at the scores/averages you played really well all day! :)