Ranking points in AE team champs

Aug 7, 2018 9:02:11 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Hope that all makes sense but happy to work through any further clarifications as required.
Lorin

Ok I'll ask this on behalf of others as I no longer have a vested interest:

For a competition billed on your form as "the pinnacle for league teams" are there any plans to push for national ranking points to be restored for the participants on the day? (Yes, I know there's a ranking committee who decide). And how long has £25 been charged to take part?

Just curious, and no offence intended.

Aug 7, 2018 10:02:18 GMT tommo III said:

Aug 7, 2018 9:02:11 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Hope that all makes sense but happy to work through any further clarifications as required.
Lorin

Ok I'll ask this on behalf of others as I no longer have a vested interest:

For a competition billed on your form as "the pinnacle for league teams" are there any plans to push for national ranking points to be restored for the participants on the day? (Yes, I know there's a ranking committee who decide). And how long has £25 been charged to take part?

Just curious, and no offence intended.

Hi Clive,

Many thanks for the questions.

Nobody has raised the desire for RPs to be attributed to this event with me, and I am not up to speed on any historical debate on the matter. For my part, if we can ensure the genuine credibility of the event and that it is not just another 'County Championships' by another name then I would be in favour. After all, it offers a further incentive to players that are perhaps not currently regular participants in AEBBA events.


Regarding entry fees - this is the first year that the fee has been increased to (effectively) £5 per player. This is not a significant increase but yet vital to improve the event overall. Please see my thread on event sponsorship if you would like to have a vested interest!!


Best wishes,

Lorin

Aug 7, 2018 10:12:21 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Hi Clive,
Many thanks for the questions.
Best wishes,
Lorin

.....and many thanks for your quick response, Lorin. Better to know about the charge in advance than have it sprung on you on the day.

I suppose a fiver a head to take part isn't that unreasonable considering the game locally has gone up to 2 quid. Also, although AEBBA own the tables, there is transport between certain of the venues AEBBA are using to be considered.

RPs were always allocated under Fazza's watch, but this event was one of the casualties when the ranking committee was originally formed: it seems strange (and a little unfair) not to award them for a flagship event.

Cheers,
tommo

[bobhall]

Aug 7, 2018 14:24:10 GMT tommo III said:

Aug 7, 2018 10:12:21 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Hi Clive,
Many thanks for the questions.
Best wishes,
Lorin

.....and many thanks for your quick response, Lorin. Better to know about the charge in advance than have it sprung on you on the day.

I suppose a fiver a head to take part isn't that unreasonable considering the game locally has gone up to 2 quid. Also, although AEBBA own the tables, there is transport between certain of the venues AEBBA are using to be considered.

RPs were always allocated under Fazza's watch, but this event was one of the casualties when the ranking committee was originally formed: it seems strange (and a little unfair) not to award them for a flagship event.

Cheers,
tommo

Tommo its not unfair as not everyone can enter to stand the opportunity to receive rp so they shouldnt be able to gain an andvantage in the standings

Aug 7, 2018 14:24:10 GMT tommo III said:

Aug 7, 2018 10:12:21 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Hi Clive,
Many thanks for the questions.
Best wishes,
Lorin

.....and many thanks for your quick response, Lorin. Better to know about the charge in advance than have it sprung on you on the day.

I suppose a fiver a head to take part isn't that unreasonable considering the game locally has gone up to 2 quid. Also, although AEBBA own the tables, there is transport between certain of the venues AEBBA are using to be considered.

RPs were always allocated under Fazza's watch, but this event was one of the casualties when the ranking committee was originally formed: it seems strange (and a little unfair) not to award them for a flagship event.

Cheers,
tommo

You are very welcome.

As I say, the increase in entry fees is perhaps long overdue and in part reflects the need to cover increasing costs but, moreover will enable us to offer higher quality events.

With reference to the RP’s for this event - I will take your comments on board and discuss more widely and will then respond in due course.

Thanks,

Lorin

[Chris_Sav]

The principle on ranking points was that they would only be awarded for events open for all to enter.

The national finals of a team comp were deemed not to meet that criteria as far as I can remember.

[milhouse]

Aug 7, 2018 14:48:33 GMT bobhall said:

Aug 7, 2018 14:24:10 GMT tommo III said:

.....and many thanks for your quick response, Lorin. Better to know about the charge in advance than have it sprung on you on the day.

I suppose a fiver a head to take part isn't that unreasonable considering the game locally has gone up to 2 quid. Also, although AEBBA own the tables, there is transport between certain of the venues AEBBA are using to be considered.

RPs were always allocated under Fazza's watch, but this event was one of the casualties when the ranking committee was originally formed: it seems strange (and a little unfair) not to award them for a flagship event.

Cheers,
tommo

Tommo its not unfair as not everyone can enter to stand the opportunity to receive rp so they shouldnt be able to gain an andvantage in the standings

Correct Bob and this is also the same reason RP were stopped for International matches.

Well I feel disinclined to get embroiled in an argument on RPs now, having been on the original Ranking Committee that excluded them (I was outvoted but stood by the decision).
But times change, and AEBBA are trying to raise the profile of their competitions, why should RPs only be awarded for Opens which is more or less the case now ?
And I maintain that ANYONE can enter the National team event, it starts at grass roots level and you have to earn the chance to play in the Finals at Arborfield. In Sussex qualification is via the Watney Mann Comp and Sussex RPs are awarded for that. Why shouldn't the winning team get further reward for representing their County ? The County team do, and that can be a bit of a closed shop !

Hi all,

Any changes to the current position can be discussed and debated at length but I’d prefer they be moved to a more appropriate RP thread. I’d like to ask moderators to move these posts over so that this thread can be reserved to entry queries for this year’s event.

Thanks,

Lorin

[Chris]

Aug 7, 2018 15:00:38 GMT Chris_Sav said:

The principle on ranking points was that they would only be awarded for events open for all to enter.

The national finals of a team comp were deemed not to meet that criteria as far as I can remember.

Fully agree. no points should ever be awarded re rankings unless it is a competition that all can freely enter - well said Sav

x

[Chris]

And whilst all teams can enter only winners can enter the final .. we cannot determine ranking points for scores, games won to reach the position of being in the final day so it is a no go in my personal opinion.

xxx

[JB]

Tommo

Anyone can enter the Sussex Watney Mann (same as singles doubles etc) so ranking points should be awarded for Sussex.
The finals are not open to everyone so there should not be ranking points. I don’t think not having ranking points for this competition has ever given the team members second thoughts about playing.

No-one's listening to me when I said I didn't want to get embroiled in a discussion on National Ranking Points - which is entirely the business of the Ranking Committee.

I don't mind, I've given my opinion, which I'm entitled to, and have nothing further to say on the subject as I'm now deleting my Forum account.


But is anyone listening to Lorin (whose opinion matters)?

Aug 7, 2018 10:12:21 GMT @reformedcharacter said:

Nobody has raised the desire for RPs to be attributed to this event with me, and I am not up to speed on any historical debate on the matter. For my part, if we can ensure the genuine credibility of the event and that it is not just another 'County Championships' by another name then I would be in favour. After all, it offers a further incentive to players that are perhaps not currently regular participants in AEBBA events.

Best wishes,
Lorin

[milhouse]

Once again we have someone giving their opinion, not liking others opinions because they don't match theirs and then throwing toys out the pram. No wonder things never get moved forward.

[taffy]

christ what a loss!

There isn't a shrinking violet here is there.

Taffy

[Chris]

Aug 7, 2018 23:31:30 GMT milhouse said:

Once again we have someone giving their opinion, not liking others opinions because they don't match theirs and then throwing toys out the pram. No wonder things never get moved forward.

Hi Mark

Could you clarify what you meant here as it is not obvious to me - Do you think there should be ranking points? Sorry for me it is not clear.

Chris

[bobhall]

Sept 6, 2018 22:24:47 GMT Chris said:

Aug 7, 2018 23:31:30 GMT milhouse said:

Once again we have someone giving their opinion, not liking others opinions because they don't match theirs and then throwing toys out the pram. No wonder things never get moved forward.

Hi Mark

Could you clarify what you meant here as it is not obvious to me - Do you think there should be ranking points? Sorry for me it is not clear.

Chris

Im sure mark will clarify but further up the thread he did agree with me that rp shouldnt be awarded as not everyone can play

[milhouse]

Bob is correct, i do NOT think ranking points should be given for this event