Poll on the Quizzes

[Sparky]

I like that idea KP, an 'honesty 3 day google free answer period' when we can all make good guesses ;D then let the googlers finish it off. Also reckon the odd general knowledge quiz would go down well even though they would be like a pub quiz with cheating allowed after 3days :-/

This discussion has made me realise that I would probably join in the quizzes more if I had the time and I certainly don't think they interfer with any serious BB debates but the simple truth is that people do a quiz for fun and I think that's great.

I would like to know how you would enforce this rule? As you have no proof of cheating (Googling), therefore how about this!

One person answer only a couple questions from the quiz allowing others to participate! That way you can't have the "Cheaters" answer and spoil the quizzes!

[barbelman]

sparky said:

I like that idea KP, an 'honesty 3 day google free answer period' when we can all make good guesses ;D then let the googlers finish it off. Also reckon the odd general knowledge quiz would go down well even though they would be like a pub quiz with cheating allowed after 3days :-/

Agreed Sparky, but that's what most people do. Answer the ones you actually know ASAP and then if no-one knows/cares about the rest of the answers then I will google them, if they are of interest to me.

Take Tommo's Goat quiz for example. No-one and I repeat no-one would have got more than two or three of those but I had fun finding out as many as possible on the web, and learning something myself in the process as it wasn't really a googler's quiz. The Jersey parishes could have been answered very quickly with one website but it was left alone until some-one who actually knew the answers came along ;)

He's a clever chap, our Tommo and I'm sure he knows which answers are from Google and which aren't - hey, maybe we should have honesty points and mark our answers as such and only get half for Googled answers? (Mind you the time I spent researching those bleeding goats I deserve double points not half!!!)

Some of the quizzes, I'm sure, are designed by Tommo to be researched (not cheated at, Mark!) whereas others are not as he intimated in a previous post.

Keep it as it is and leave the morals of answering to the integrity of the people who participate...

Tony

[Sparky]

Fair points Tony and I didn't really know that was the case so maybe Tommo could put up an 'etiquette guide' ( it can be pasted to the top permanently) for the quiz section so everyone knows what is expected of them but with no penalties just honesty expected (just like Cricket ;D).

[Kevin Pringle (R.I.P.)]

Can you edit your post Sparky, to Like cricket used to be ;D

I'll take aboard the suggestion of the code of etiquette for quizzes note to be published at the top of each one, guys, great suggestion.

I have in mind something like this:

Suggested Quiz etiquette :
1. Answer what you know first, then leave it a while for others to have a go, and then if nothing else seems to be happening, you can research the remaining answers !
2. When submitting multiple answers, try to put them on one post, adding to it by editing if required - rather than doing multiple posts: This not only makes the quiz easier to score, but is normal Forum etiquette.

Apart from that, I'm a firm believer in "if something ain't broke, don't try to mend it" so will continue adding quizzes in the same format - but in a reduced quantity. As many of you may realise, I have been going through a lax period at work and have taken full advantage of the fact. However that is about to change as I have been obliged to take on an additional project which will command more of my work time from now until September. Meanwhile, there's no reason why others can't add their own quizzes as the mood takes.

It has been fascinating to discover what a broad brush of knowledge our members have, and trends develop which would suggest who is a specialist in a particular field.

Apart from the amazing Wolfman and Barbelman who seem to have the ability to answer every question under the sun, here are some observations I have made on who did particularly well on certain subjects, and some of them make interesting reading :

Herr van Puebik - expert on Literature; Anniversaries
Kevin Pringle - expert on Cricket; Electronics; Inventors; Ugly buildings
Jill Barbet - expert on Greek Mythology
Regg3y - expert on Blackadder and Doctor Who
Mr Mike007 - expert on The Da Vinci Code
CraigC - expert on Abbeys; Egyptology; Geography/Travel, etc etc
Jel - expert on Astronomy
Lord Cheeky - expert on Constructions
BB Reaper - expert on Art; Cathedrals
Q - expert on Cars, Cats - and garden flowers
Sparky - expert on Architecture
Milhouse - expert on Film actresses
The Colemanator - expert on local history
Pete Mansfield and Lorin Clough - experts on Female Popstars, Lorin also knows his Saints
Lady H - expert on Castles
Me - expert on Animal breeds
The Chubbster - expert on Darts; The Beatles

Then there's Sav and Fazza, who, though as different as chalk from cheese, won any aptitude tests hands down: Fazza can't be beaten on his bar billiards history knowledge and Sav has all sorts of other strings to his bow in the form of subjects as diverse as Carpentry, Castles, Breweries, Masterchefs, and The Hitch-hikers Guide To The Galaxy.
........and no-one's even mentioned Sheep ! ;D


Whereas Nigel demonstrates his knowledge on specialist subjects by setting some really difficult-to-answer questions of his own !

Anyone who I've left out or sold short - my apologies. But I am really impressed by the encyclopaedic knowledge of the people who use this Forum: I deduce you have to possess major intelligence even to be able to play bar billiards in the first place !

And from a personal point of view, researching all the material has been a labour of love and I seem to learn something new every day. So well done everybody, give yourselves a big round of applause. 8-)

[Q]

tommo said:

2. When submitting multiple answers, try to put them on one post, adding to it by editing if required - rather than doing multiple posts: This not only makes the quiz easier to score, but is normal Forum etiquette.

TOTALLY disagree.... when posts are edited the post will show:
1. Date/time of original post
2. Date/time of LAST edit

It cannot differentiate between multiple edits, nor does it state WHAT was edited.

In other words, if you posted the first answer to a quiz and then went back 5 hours later and edited it the quizmaster would be unable to tell what constituted the original and what was the edit, (unless of course the quizmaster is Tommo who seems to be on here 24/7) ;D ;D

[Kevin Pringle (R.I.P.)]

Tommo, I am also an expert on Sport generally, Ladies Tennis and Ladies Gymnastics ;) apparantly also on food though I am on a diet now :(

I do agree it would be nice to keep going back and editting, however I think for this forum only then etiquette rule can be relaxed to allow a closer to posting order be retained as what Q is saying is true enough.
What I do is write my first answer or two, and post, then edit another one in and post. If someone posts between my last edit then I will put a new post in and do the same to this one.

This keeps the thread a bit shorter rather than 5 posts in a row from one person.

q said:

tommo said:

2. When submitting multiple answers, try to put them on one post, adding to it by editing if required - rather than doing multiple posts: This not only makes the quiz easier to score, but is normal Forum etiquette.

TOTALLY disagree.... when posts are edited the post will show:
1. Date/time of original post
2. Date/time of LAST edit

It cannot differentiate between multiple edits, nor does it state WHAT was edited.

In other words, if you posted the first answer to a quiz and then went back 5 hours later and edited it the quizmaster would be unable to tell what constituted the original and what was the edit, (unless of course the quizmaster is Tommo who seems to be on here 24/7) ;D ;D

Q - either you have missed the point completely, or I am guilty of a bad paraphrasing of what was agreed yesterday between myself, SicSav and Sparky on the Staff Forum.

KP has the right idea of what we mean, check the third paragraph on his post.

[CraigC]

Reading through this, have to agree that it is easy to rely on honesty when answering these, as in the words of Keith Barrett/ Rob Brydon "It's only a bit of fun".

I also tend to answer what I know, then if noone else takes the rest Google it later (the exception was the Abbeys, where I was fairly sure on a couple, so Googled and took a couple more, but left most for anyone else to get, confession time).

If the no-Googling guideline for a few days is set, pretty sure no one will break it.

[Chris_Sav]

craicc said:

If the no-Googling guideline for a few days is set, pretty sure no one will break it.

I think you live in cloud cuckoo land if you or anyone else believes that my fine friend. Someone, but not me, you or most here, will always cheat >:( >:(

Sav.

[Kevin Pringle (R.I.P.)]

Bar Billiards have always prided ourself in having honest players who would walk away if they felt they missed, all we ask is for the same honesty in the quiz for the first 3 days :D
I know I will and if that means I score less points then at least I will feel genuine about earning them, let their conscience rule them.

[Sparky]

I agree with you KP and although I expect that one or two will cheat, as in BB, that should not detract from the fun the rest of us can get :), furthermore if someone keeps on cheating it will start to show - just as liers get caught out sooner or later - so let us enjoy what we do in the company of like minded souls and to hell with the cheats >:(.

Tommo I like what you proposed as a guideline etiquette but reckon you need to specify a timescale or that will cause grief as people will not agree on how long to wait :-/

[Kevin Pringle (R.I.P.)]

We could wait for a post from Tommo to say it is ok to Google now in the thread concerned.

Right, I've been away all day playing (and not very well) in a competition up in Redhill.

My reaction to the latest is,

1. I would prefer not to use the word "cheat" at all, and yes, KP, googling is okay. It's just the electronic equivalent of looking up the answers in an encyclopaedia, which is okay in my book.

2. I am not going to impose a complicated set of rules on the quizzes, that will take all the enjoyment out of them.

They stay as they are, unless someone wants to take over the board. >:(

Tommo has spoken ! ;D

[barbelman]

tommo said:

Right, I've been away all day playing (and not very well) in a competition up in Redhill.

My reaction to the latest is,

1. I would prefer not to use the word "cheat" at all, and yes, KP, googling is okay. It's just the electronic equivalent of looking up the answers in an encyclopaedia, which is okay in my book.

2. I am not going to impose a complicated set of rules on the quizzes, that will take all the enjoyment out of them.

They stay as they are, unless someone wants to take over the board. >:(

Tommo has spoken ! ;D

Quite right - it doesn't have to be complicated, we just need to use our collective commonsenses. If no-one has answered all the questions on Lithuanian goat dancing after a day or so they ain't going to, so you can research on Google for Lithuanian goat dancing (176,000 hits!! ;) ) and learn all about it and it's regional variations. ;D

Tony