Julian Dale
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Post by Julian Dale on Mar 18, 2009 10:27:34 GMT
I stumbled across some televised bar billiards when trying to find examples of bar billiards on YouTube.com, and frankly couldn't believe how rubbish the standard was!
Does anyone remember watching it? Are any of these players still playing?
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 18, 2009 13:36:00 GMT
If you trawl through this site you will see that this has been discussed at length julian, you can also buy DVDs of the series, the players were mostly from Yorks.
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Post by fazza on Mar 18, 2009 18:07:17 GMT
Not sure what makes you say that Ian. I was only just getting into the game when it was on in the mid 70s but I believed there was an invitation sent out to each association to send two players to the event which was staged IN Yorkshire. Our then-Secretary Mick Samwell and our far-and-away best player Brian Paul represented Northants, but maybe no-one else knew about it.
But, yes, this HAS been discussed at length in the past. Nothing wrong in brightening up the proceedings again. Not much else to chat about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 23:46:59 GMT
How the tables were set up for the Indoor League series was not really conducive to bar billiards - threadbare cloth, dead cushions etc.
I have the DVD at home, and the players really take a long time to make just a few hundred.
It was a bit of a joke really, and didn't really do our game any favours.
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Post by peetee on Mar 19, 2009 12:58:39 GMT
Was this Indoor League in the 70's presented by Freddie Trueman ?
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 19, 2009 13:15:19 GMT
Was this Indoor League in the 70's presented by Freddie Trueman ? Yes, complete with a pint of beer and a pipe ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 13:21:53 GMT
Was this Indoor League in the 70's presented by Freddie Trueman ? Yes, complete with a pint of beer and a pipe ;D ...and he always introduced the programme with "Now then........" and signed off with "Ah'll see thee !" ;D |
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Post by fazza on Mar 19, 2009 14:22:15 GMT
It was difficult to get the scores going, as I recall, because players were limited to 45 secs for each visit.
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Post by peetee on Mar 23, 2009 21:55:09 GMT
I just missed out by 10 mins in appearing on the TV with Freddie Trueman.
The year it was on i was playing in the Men's Individual Final against the late Tony Sculley and a certain Mr Pete Wells came up to me and said Pete if you win your coming with me up to Yorkshire to appear on TV. Well i was in front with 10 mins to go and Tony hit back with a winning break, so it was him who went instead of me.
I do have a picture of Pete Wells playing from the local paper ( somewhere)
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Post by davejones on Aug 31, 2012 20:36:58 GMT
For those who have ESPN tomorrow afternoon at 2.45pm ESPN Classic are running the Indoor league series featuring bar billiards etc.
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Post by bigtj on Sept 1, 2012 7:38:05 GMT
Should be good might see some old faces.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 1, 2012 16:56:17 GMT
If only i had espn! :(
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Post by bigtj on Sept 1, 2012 20:48:33 GMT
Been out all day but have recorded it and will have alook when am free for half an hour
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 12:28:02 GMT
A search by name has turned this up: Does anyone remember Alan Ignatowski from the Reading and Newbury leagues? No, me neither. Never heard of him! He actually played at least once for England but would probably never have been picked again after walking out during his match against Harry Barbet in the early 1980s. Can't actually remember what happened, perhaps Harry will remember? |
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 26, 2015 12:58:32 GMT
A search by name has turned this up: Does anyone remember Alan Ignatowski from the Reading and Newbury leagues? No, me neither. Never heard of him! He actually played at least once for England but would probably never have been picked again after walking out during his match against Harry Barbet in the early 1980s. Can't actually remember what happened, perhaps Harry will remember? He used to partner Keith Lewenden at Eastbourne. |
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Post by peetee on Mar 26, 2015 18:46:37 GMT
A search by name has turned this up: He used to partner Keith Lewenden at Eastbourne. Yes I remember him well, a good player he was. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 23:55:11 GMT
There's this on 1st finalist Vera on The Valley (= Dearne Valley blog):
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 11:50:34 GMT
I have now got as far as I can with the research on this, so any further help now to fill in the gaps (eg the county for Tony Mayfield and Lawrence Brown, and whether the people are now still with us) would be appreciated.
tommo
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 27, 2015 12:16:19 GMT
Is Northants' Mick Samwell still playing ? No Clive, the last time I saw him was when he was invited to a presentation night in the 90s, might have been 92 or 97. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:46:24 GMT
John Thayre (Sussex) - still alive and well and playing in Billingshurst LeagueWe played against John's team tonight and I took the opportunity of asking him about his recollections of the event. This is what he said: Teammate Brian Picking went up there with him and drove all the way; Yorkshire TV paid their expenses including the overnight stay. Despite this, John was disappointed with the experience, as the goes only lasted about 30 seconds each. Anyone getting off to a bad start usually struggled to make an impact, especially if there were several balls left to clear when starting your go. Each competitor had been asked to provide a list of his/her achievements in the game, and these were announced over the tannoy. John recalled the other 'sports' taking place alongside: table skittles, shove-ha'penny, table football and arm-wrestling - which involved some really burly and rowdy blokes from Wales ! Freddie himself was entertaining as one might expect. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 18:48:52 GMT
Rod Tarratt (Sussex) - still alive and well, table operator for SussexI managed to catch up with Rod Tarratt this evening at the end of a busy week. Gerald Weston went up to Yorks as his wing man, and Rod's recollections are very similar to John's: Rod confirms that with TV coverage in mind each break was timed at 45 seconds, which came as a shock as it seemed to be an innovation that year. With the benefit of hindsight both he and John might have practiced for this, as it soon became apparent that: a) slow careful play was necessary on the Riley tables with easidrop pockets, to use every precious one of the 45 seconds (you couldn't afford to miss) and b) that if you happened to fall behind by a thousand there was no way back. Without having read John's memoirs he too mentioned Fiery Fred being entertaining, and the rowdy Welsh arm-wrestlers in the next room. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 15:09:04 GMT
Analysis performed in the members area under "General Bar Billiards Matters" (thread : Indoor League"). So far we have 6 still around and 6 having passed on, but nothing is known of the Yorkshire names including Taffy John as as far as we can make out they were not part of any organised league. Where has my analysis (where I spent several days on) disappeared to, please, as I can't find it on this thread ? If it has been removed as part of a moderation exercise, would it not be a matter of courtesy to inform me ? If it is a genuine mistake, no problem as I can restore the information from my own Word files...... tommo |
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Post by barbelman on Jul 30, 2015 10:10:50 GMT
Analysis performed in the members area under "General Bar Billiards Matters" (thread : Indoor League"). So far we have 6 still around and 6 having passed on, but nothing is known of the Yorkshire names including Taffy John as as far as we can make out they were not part of any organised league. Where has my analysis (where I spent several days on) disappeared to, please, as I can't find it on this thread ? If it has been removed as part of a moderation exercise, would it not be a matter of courtesy to inform me ? If it is a genuine mistake, no problem as I can restore the information from my own Word files...... tommo I can think of no reason why it should have been moderated Tommo. Tony |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 30, 2015 10:19:37 GMT
Where has my analysis (where I spent several days on) disappeared to, please, as I can't find it on this thread ? If it has been removed as part of a moderation exercise, would it not be a matter of courtesy to inform me ? If it is a genuine mistake, no problem as I can restore the information from my own Word files...... tommo
Only entry in the security log for this thread is
So it appears you need to look closer to home for your culprit 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 13:24:58 GMT
Thanks Tony,
Yes Chris, I deleted one of my posts on the thread yesterday as it looked out of place in what was left of the thread and wasn't vital.
I will now replace some of the information lost, but will stop short of putting up the personal data on the players who took part in Indoor League (i.e. whether they are still with us or not.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 13:34:08 GMT
Indoor League Series – all that can be found on it !
1973 Taffy John (Pontefract) bt Vera Poberezhec (Bradford); S/Finalists: Roy Harrison (Gainsborough,Lincs); Malcom Rider (Bradford) ……also played: S.Otoo, T.Holdsworth, E.Boughton, J.Smith (presumably all from Yorks.)
1974 John Baker (Kent) bt Peter Wells (Oxon) (also played: Tony Sculley (Oxon); Jim Hornibrooke (Kent); Taffy John (Yorks)
1975 no details available
1976 no details available
1977 Stan Pratt (Kent) bt Gerry Lambert (Bucks); S/Finalists: Brian Paul (Nthnts); Tony Sculley (Oxon); Qr Finalists: Charlie Hastie (Berks); Jon Peters (Surrey); Viv Shepherd (Herts); Alan Ignatowski (Berks); also played Roy Buckle (Bucks); Tony Mayfield (?); Alan Sales (Oxon); Rod Tarratt (Sussex); Lawrence Brown (?); Mick Samwell (Nthnts); John Thayre (Sussex); Christine Cole (Hants).
This scoresheet for the 1977 competition has been provided courtesy of Dave May:“
Round 1. Roy Buckle (Bucks) 1800, Jon Peters (Surrey) 3710; Gerry Lambert (Bucks) 4260, Tony Mayfield 3460; Alan Sales (Oxon) 2440, Alan Ignatowski (Berks) 2720; Tony Sculley (Oxon) 4240, Rod Tarratt (Sus) 2700; Lawrence Brown 3950, Stan Pratt (Kent) 4150; Charlie Hastie (Berks) 4550, Mick Samwell (Nthnts) 2470; John Thayre (Sus) 2220, Brian Paul (Nthnts) 3660; Christine Cole (Hants) 1880, Viv Shepherd (Herts) 3440
Round 2. Jon Peters 2260, Gerry Lambert 2340; Alan Ignatowski 1710, Tony Sculley 1940; Stan Pratt 3920, Charlie Hastie 3760; Brian Paul 4240, Viv Shepherd 3920
Semi-Finals. Gerry Lambert 3890, Tony Sculley 0; Stan Pratt 2440, Brian Paul 1660.
Final. Gerry Lambert (Bucks) 2180, Stan Pratt (Kent) 3890. “
Where are they now ?
Taffy John (Pontefract)
Vera Poberezhec (Bradford)
Roy Harrison (Gainsborough,Lincs)
Malcom Rider (Bradford)
S.Otoo (Yorks ?)
T.Holdsworth (Yorks ?)
E.Boughton (Yorks ?)
J.Smith (Yorks ?)
John Baker (Kent)
Peter Wells (Oxon)
Tony Sculley (Oxon)
Jim Hornibrooke (Kent)
Stan Pratt (Kent)
Gerry Lambert (Bucks)
Brian Paul (Nthnts)
Charlie Hastie (Berks)
Jon Peters (Surrey)
Viv Shepherd (Herts)
Alan Ignatowski (Berks)
Roy Buckle (Bucks)
Tony Mayfield (?)
Alan Sales (Oxon)
Rod Tarratt (Sussex)
Lawrence Brown (?)
Mick Samwell (Nthnts)
John Thayre (Sussex)
Christine Cole (Hants).
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Post by Chris on Aug 1, 2015 20:51:59 GMT
Well you know Christine Cole Tommo - my maiden name - yes it was me and I have hid it for ages  |
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Post by Chris on Aug 1, 2015 20:57:45 GMT
And the All England Ladies IKO winners stats are not correct.
I beat Viv Sheppard twice but first time I was under age of 18.
Chris x
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Post by Chris on Aug 1, 2015 21:10:01 GMT
We played the event in the Dragonara in Leeds. Met Fred Trueman and his Alsatians that came with him. It was a very different set up to normal Bar Billiards and timed play. I played very poorly. I also went there with the mens champ from Hants, Tony Mayfield who is on your list Clive. We were driven by a guy called John I think owned an electrical company ? Oh well those were the days  The set up was strange, but the hospitality was great at the venue. What did make me laugh was on our day of leaving they changed the beer taps for milk taps as the arm wrestlers were in the next day to be filmed. xxx |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 21:59:36 GMT
And the All England Ladies IKO winners stats are not correct. I beat Viv Sheppard twice but first time I was under age of 18. Chris x What thread is that on Chrissie ? I too found some errors on the AEBBA stats but they weren't put right before we lost the website. |
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