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Post by specialone on Aug 17, 2008 23:02:08 GMT
Is it really easy? Must be if I have done it. Thelearningone
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 18, 2008 7:18:40 GMT
Regarding Every Team Playing Each Other:-
This really hurts as i am thinking on a monday morning, We did have a season where the top division played the top and the lowere played the lower division a couple of years back, but there were complaints that they have friends in the other division and they would not see them, (Ahh Bless) i still remember the AGM when it was brought up, so either way you look at it there is always someone who is not going to be happy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 8:59:32 GMT
I don't think we're going to get the Committee to go back on a decision that they've already made, so it looks like we are stuck with all-play-all - for one season at any rate. And I would imagine that the fixtures are already being drawn up now, with no room for the Charity for this one season. So despite all our postulating, the position is exactly as posted by BB Warrior originally: All teams will play each other Home & Away meaning a total of 30 League matches during the season. Due to the increased number of League matches, there will NOT be a Charity Cup Competition run this season, however the Committee will be looking to hold an alternative event and would welcome any suggestions from member teams on what format this should be run under. On the plus side, everyone gets to play the new teams, like Henry's Laughing Fish. On the down side, a gap on Finals Night where the Charity League Final would have been played. I have an idea for the 'alternative event' for which Dave called for suggestions. This has become obvious (but wouldn't have been had Roy not posted). We already have an Open Doubles, how about a First Division only Open Pairs? The Final would fill the vacant slot on Finals Night and it could be named the Charity Pairs, and the Charity Cup could be awarded for it for this one year. I will leave others to work out what format they would want. (2 singles and a doubles ? All play all ? Handicaps ? Charity donations ?)
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Post by theoldfella (R.I.P.) on Aug 18, 2008 12:28:10 GMT
Tommo, could you please stop railling against the committee, its unfair and unnecessary. You seem to have decided that actions were taken in regard of the Charity Cup with malicious intent which is certainly not the case. I am not the enemy because I don't support a masters competition nor are my colleagues on the committee because the Charity Cup has not been included in this season's league program.
I produced a sample fixtures list for 2 separate divisions featuring a 2 pool C/Cup contest. This would given each team 21 fixtures and its a format that I prefer. The committee considered this along with the other programs and decided to abide by the results of the questionaire that went out a couple of seasons ago where the majority wanted an all play all league and a Charitry Cup competition. However, more recent complaints were that the season goes on too long. 30 league games, 4 C/Cup rounds, 3 team cup rounds, 2 weeks Christmas break and you're talking 9 months for a winter league.
I'm in favour of the Charity Cup the way we've always played it, at the start of the league program and at the finish, but be honest Tommo, is it feasible with a 16 team league playing a virtual 1 division program.
All this aside, I have a right not to like masters contests just as you have to support them, but why the blatant hostility.
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Post by JB on Aug 18, 2008 14:54:14 GMT
As a member of both Brighton & Worthing I would like to know where you got your info that we are "leaking teams like sieves" and that its because we hold masters comps.
Both leagues also run division 2 masters competition on the same day.
In both these leagues there are young and new players who are really enthusiastic about the game and want to learn. They will turn up and play in the div 2 masters at the same time learning from watching more experienced players.
Its these "elite" and keen players that are willing to be on the committee, turn up to fundraising events and support the league.
Then there are those players who just want to turn out once a week have a couple of drinks and a game of bar billiards. Nothing wrong with this but they usually dont bother to attend any events and wouldnt dream of being on the committee. They probably wouldnt attend a masters competition if it was held. But the young new players who make it to the div 2 masters are over the moon and to see some of their faces when they win or play well is worth the the time and effort of running it.
If Mid-Sussex run a masters competition good luck to you but please dont go against it because you are being told that the leagues that do run them are struggling as this isnt the case.
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Post by iang on Aug 18, 2008 16:01:09 GMT
I don't think we're going to get the Committee to go back on a decision that they've already made, so it looks like we are stuck with all-play-all - for one season at any rate. [ I have an idea for the 'alternative event' for which Dave called for suggestions. This has become obvious (but wouldn't have been had Roy not posted). We already have an Open Doubles, how about a First Division only Open Pairs? The Final would fill the vacant slot on Finals Night and it could be named the Charity Pairs, and the Charity Cup could be awarded for it for this one year. I will leave others to work out what format they would want. (2 singles and a doubles ? All play all ? Handicaps ? Charity donations ?)What now I am confused how can you have 2 singles & a doubles in a charity pairs comp. :o
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 16:19:40 GMT
I have a right not to like masters contests just as you have to support them, but why the blatant hostility. Roy, any apparent hostility to the committee which you are sensing is not intended. I am not the only one taking part in these discussions, and if you look at my suggestions throughout, none are extreme or radical, I always try to take the middle line. Also I like a positive approach, and prefer to suggest solutions to problems rather than accept excuses as to why things can't be done. I do however admit to sometimes getting frustrated when an idea is being nurtured and is then nipped in the bud by means of someone clouding the issue by throwing in a red herring and the discussion goes off at a tangent - and this is probably what you are sensing.
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Post by doug on Aug 18, 2008 16:20:31 GMT
Well I fully support Masters and Lower Division Masters...................................................
It's the only thing I have ever won.... ;D
Doug
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 16:31:49 GMT
What now I am confused how can you have 2 singles & a doubles in a charity pairs comp. :o My suggestion was purely an adaptation of this one by the BB Warrior (on the Charity Cup thread) to fit the current situation: we may get more teams represented (and therefore raise more money! ;)) if we were to make the "teams" 2 a-side and play the matches as 2 games of singles and 1 game of doubles? There would be nothing stopping a team from putting in more than 1 entry if they have enough enthusiastic players, it could be played in the same handicapped format as the Charity Cup has been played in the past and, in addition to an entry fee we could have peg "fees" to raise more money. Depending on how many entries we get, matches could either be played in groups or on a straight knock-out basis with a Plate for early losers to keep them involved for longer.
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Post by bigtj on Aug 18, 2008 16:45:07 GMT
I do not agree a masters competition is elitist and of course all have there point of view, and what a boring world if we did not. By holding a lower division masters( and you can do this in a split one league format ) you certainly give all players something to aim at. In both Brighton and Brighton I would count myself as a moderate to moddle ranked higher division player but take great efforts and pleasure in striving to reach the masters, but certainly am happier to be part of a team playing well with the masters as a secondary target.
You can work out a ranking system that is fair to all and within your league where games are played as drawn there would not be such an emphasis of some players always getting the break. I personally like the idea of extra points for winning against the break.
This part of the forum certainly seems to be raising its fair share of comments but only represents a small but enthusiastic part of the league membership. Like most leagues I assume AGM `s are not well attended and it is left to the poor old committee to form and run the league. For that small?? task they only seem to get negative response, and am sure they feel at the brunt of it, but knowing those making comments I know they are people who have the good of the game at heart. It is a shame that some of those who back bite do not attend AGM`s or bother entering into forum debates, because then people like Clive who always tries to look at both sides of the coin are said to be snipping. Know its not my league, but felt needed to add my two penny worth.
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Post by theoldfella (R.I.P.) on Aug 18, 2008 19:21:34 GMT
Right, an apology is in order. I have been told that other leagues are struggling with team numbers falling. I quote no leagues, I am not in a position to do so. A good number of leagues run masters competitions and I do not think this has any effect on the fact that teams are leaving. Any connection between the two was coincidental and for this I'm sorry. Losing the Charity Cup in Mid-Sussex may well have a bigger impact than any other in teams leaving the league and I believe this is of utmost importance. The introduction of a masters contest now is. I think, wrongly timed. This is why I don't see the benefit of the competition. I've never heard of a lower division masters, sounds like a very good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 23:03:36 GMT
Losing the Charity Cup could indeed have an effect on the lower teams, that's what we've been saying all along.
The Masters proposal is nothing more than the germ of an idea at the moment and has no bearing whatsoever on the saving or otherwise of the Charity League.
When I think the time is right, I will go through the official channels and write to the League Secretary offering to sponsor a couple of smart perpetual trophies. I will expect the committee to offer me the courtesy of giving the matter their consideration and giving me a simple yes please or thanks but no thanks. This may not be until after Christmas until matters have settled down.
For the record, I do not mind either way if the divisions are completely separate or all-play all. Either format is acceptable. What I cannot accept is that a Charity Competition cannot be fitted round the latter method.
TIR now says that the league format is set in stone, which is contrary to Dave's earlier post which said that there was some scope left for discussion. Which version are we to believe ?
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Post by theoldfella (R.I.P.) on Aug 20, 2008 8:26:00 GMT
The fixtures list has been prepared in accordance with the decisions taken at the last committee meeting. It is up to any dissenting member to call on the chairman to call an EGM.
I have not issued the fixtures because of late registrations and I don't have all the contact information avaliable. The majority of teams have ticked the 'want to play' box re Charity Cup.
[Edited title only as we have three discussions going on the one thread and this one is specific - tommo]
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 24, 2008 10:27:18 GMT
The fixtures list has been prepared in accordance with the decisions taken at the last committee meeting. It is up to any dissenting member to call on the chairman to call an EGM. I have not issued the fixtures because of late registrations and I don't have all the contact information avaliable. The majority of teams have ticked the 'want to play' box re Charity Cup. [Edited title only as we have three discussions going on the one thread and this one is specific - tommo]Back from our holiday..... and it's nice to see that some "healthy" discussion has continued in our absence. 8-) Personally, although I take on board the point that it is possibly "elitist", I hope that we can get a Masters Event up and running....... if it is successful there is no reason that it couldn't be extended to include a "Lower Division" competition to give more players the incentive to try to qualify for it. I do not see the need to call an EGM, Roy has stated that the "majority" of teams would like to play a Charity Cup competition..... but obviously not ALL of the teams, so whatever we do then there will be some teams that are unhappy. With the fixture list now completed and distributed, I feel that the Committee should now be left to discuss alternatives to enable us to keep the Charity Cup (in some format) running this year with a view to a complete overhaul of the League for next season.
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Post by iang on Aug 24, 2008 14:15:48 GMT
Welcome back BBW hope you enjoyed your holiday.
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 24, 2008 15:08:31 GMT
Welcome back BBW hope you enjoyed your holiday. Hi Ian, yes we had a great time...... more sunshine would have been nice but we managed to get down to the beach and do a bit of surfing - and yes, the muscles that I had forgotten do still ache!! ::) We had hoped to meet up with Q for a game, but decided that 130 mile round trip from where we were staying was a bit much since we had the boys with us. :( We decided to stop at the Cornish Inn on the way back, but got there too early and it wasn't open...... so no BB for us for a week and withdrawal symptoms were setting in by the time we got home! ;)
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Post by Q on Aug 24, 2008 16:35:54 GMT
I did tell them on Thursday that you might be popping in (thats probably why they locked the doors) ;D
Shame you didn't get to play our top, I have recently 'adjusted' the pockets with a bit of wood and a mallet (on Savs instructions) and most of the pockets are now flush, it makes play a lot easier, managed a 6½k break soon after and Roger made 2800 ish so its definately getting better.
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