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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 14, 2008 7:07:32 GMT
A new thread to enable us to put together ideas to hold our first Masters Event in Mid-Sussex.
Presumably, we would hold this at the end of the season, possibly on an adjacent day to Finals Night..... unless there is strong support to hold an event soon - for the players who would have qualified last season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 9:54:16 GMT
I stand by my original thoughts which were: Isn't it about time Mid Sussex staged its own Masters event ? I don't mind donating a pair of Perpetual trophies if that's what it takes. I should put this to the committee officially, of course, but it won't harm to gauge people's reactions. AND Re: the Masters, thanks for your initial vote of support, and offer of additional sponsorship. But again, the First "Masters" needn't be on a grand scale. You may be surprised to know that I got the Horsham Masters off the ground some 20-odd years ago, and we fitted the whole competition in (for 16 players) using just three tables. We used the Queens Head Bolney, and I got Tarratts (who are based close by) to put two tables in for the afternoon (a Saturday I believe). It was a straight knockout, 8 v 8, 4 v 4, 2 v 2 and 1 v 1. All of the Horsham League's top sixteen players were happy to take part, nobody dropped out. We used exactly the same format the following year and it was a magical event yet again. Like I say, the first one doesn't have to be on a grand scale, and it doesn't have to encroach on other events or be fixed to a certain weekend when other things are taking place. Once the first one's been held, you can think about expanding the competition for the following year, and introducing a complicated group system to ensure that the best player always wins, plus a Plate, plus maybe even a special 'masters' for the laydees ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 12:31:04 GMT
If we're having it as part of a gala weekend, perhaps the first Masters should be for 24 players, which would fit quite well on 3 tables. And then a round-robin Final for 3 group winners.
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 14, 2008 12:43:45 GMT
Some good ideas to start the ball rolling. 8-)
I am away on holiday next week, so probably won't have time to give much input before I go away....... but I will read with interest any more thoughts that are posted here when I return. ;D
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Post by bobhall on Aug 14, 2008 13:55:54 GMT
bad idea as i wont get in lol
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 15, 2008 7:00:40 GMT
bad idea as i wont get in lol Some simple advice to help you qualify Bobhall........ pot more balls - and, in your case, hit less pegs!! :o 8-) ;) |
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 10:01:24 GMT
bad idea as i wont get in lol Poor Bobhall ;D ;D you will get there buddy, you just need to calm down a little bit and think about what you doing, You played a fantastic match against TJ at the weekend ;) 8-) , if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) |
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 10:02:55 GMT
bad idea as i wont get in lol Poor Bobhall ;D ;D you will get there buddy, you just need to calm down a little bit and think about what you doing, You played a fantastic match against TJ at the weekend ;) 8-) , if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) My Suggestion DRINK LESS COKE, snort it instead ;D ;D |
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 15, 2008 10:09:46 GMT
bad idea as i wont get in lol Poor Bobhall ;D ;D you will get there buddy, you just need to calm down a little bit and think about what you doing, You played a fantastic match against TJ at the weekend ;) 8-) , if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) I agree entirely....... Bobhall has all the shots, it's just a question of choosing the right ones at the right time. Towards the end of last season, he was playing really well and he showed that form has continued at the Bucks Open....!! ;D |
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 10:26:12 GMT
Poor Bobhall ;D ;D you will get there buddy, you just need to calm down a little bit and think about what you doing, You played a fantastic match against TJ at the weekend ;) 8-) , if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) I agree entirely....... Bobhall has all the shots, it's just a question of choosing the right ones at the right time. Towards the end of last season, he was playing really well and he showed that form has continued at the Kent Open....!! ;D Bucks! ;D |
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 15, 2008 10:53:07 GMT
I agree entirely....... Bobhall has all the shots, it's just a question of choosing the right ones at the right time. Towards the end of last season, he was playing really well and he showed that form has continued at the Kent Open....!! ;D Bucks! ;D Oooops...... no wonder I didn't do very well there myself - I was obviously totally lost!! :-[ :-X |
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Post by DA-DM on Aug 15, 2008 12:12:01 GMT
sorry....... :-/ ran out of instructions on mapquest.... :-[ :-X ;)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 12:46:32 GMT
if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) And remember the little tips I gave you about when playing beautiful young ladies, Boball ! ;) |
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 13:22:30 GMT
if you can play like that each week then there is no reason why you wont make the masters. ;) 8-) And remember the little tips I gave you about when playing beautiful young ladies, Boball ! ;) Even i remember them bobhall so if you not sure i will remind you ;D ;D i may even use them myself ;D |
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Post by bobhall on Aug 15, 2008 14:10:27 GMT
and look what happened there tommo i fluffed a shot on 69 and sent the other behind a radiator lol
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 15:03:32 GMT
Bobhall i just noticed how much you look like your avatar ;D ;D
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Post by bobhall on Aug 15, 2008 16:11:48 GMT
ty kevin il remember that wen its ur b day
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 15, 2008 17:26:55 GMT
ty kevin il remember that wen its ur b day What you mean? ??? |
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Post by theoldfella (R.I.P.) on Aug 17, 2008 11:32:55 GMT
Well, here's the first note of dissent.
What in heaven's name do we want a Masters competition for, what benefit does this type of elitist contest bring to our league.
Those leagues which run masters competitions are leaking teams like sieves. We have survived, nay flourished, by tending the new and inexperienced players and teams with events such as the charity cup. All our efforts should be put here, not with another chance for the top players to win a gong. The player-of-the-year award and the doubles and singles should surely be enough for the top players to strut their stuff.
It would be better I think, to run a competition where the top 25 players in the players list are not permitted entry and the rest play a handicapped event. I believe Tommo, that Redhill run a handicapped singles event ? would this not better serve our cause?
At the last committee meeting PTG expressed concern over his team's reception to the news that then CC had been dropped from the league program. To make sure we don't lose those players is our first concern, not another contest that they can't even play in, let alone win.
I think its a matter of priorities here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 13:17:52 GMT
I think its a matter of priorities here. On the copious threads that have been produced recently, it was made clear that saving of the Charity League - with all its heritage (for which serious attempts appear to have been made to airbrush out of history) is the Number One Priority. If this can be saved - and I appeal to the Committee's better nature to do this - then why on earth should we not have a Masters ? Are we so insular in Mid Sussex that we do not want 'elitist' competitions like all the other leagues have? Apart from catering for our best performers and giving them a chance to emulate our brothers-in-arms from other stronger leagues, a Masters would be something for the 'new' and up-and-coming players to aspire to. Sorry, but we can't not have a competition just because one person is vehemently against the idea. ::) |
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Post by BFG on Aug 17, 2008 14:29:50 GMT
Those leagues which run masters competitions are leaking teams like sieves. Dont want to interfere with your discussion but just a point that we do run a masters and are not leaking teams, it is an aspirational challenge to play in this tourament which is having a revamp this season. :-X |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 15:34:54 GMT
Thanks for that BFG, but I don't think that West-Sussex were being singled out. More likely that the reference was to Brighton and Worthing, but even then Brighton stage a Lower Division Masters -so the apparent loss of teams is probably associated with other factors: Over three pounds for a pint of beer now and ever-increasing costs of travelling can't be helping matters.
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 17, 2008 18:01:59 GMT
Apart from catering for our best performers and giving them a chance to emulate our brothers-in-arms from other stronger leagues, a Masters would be something for the 'new' and up-and-coming players to aspire to. I Agree totally with you there Tommo. Bobhall put a post up saying no its a bad idea because he couldn't enter this year because of his ranking, BUT I BET he would be looking at the players list each week working out what he needs to do to make it in to the masters. |
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Post by bobhall on Aug 17, 2008 19:30:47 GMT
Ty Kev as i have finished 50th both times this last two seasons hearing that there could be a masters competition around the corner i know that this season i am going to pull out all the stops to get higher in the rankings having a masters in mid Sussex will improve every bodies game and will make the league better. i just wish that everybody was as committed as what i am ;D ;D ;D ;D :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by specialone on Aug 17, 2008 21:35:16 GMT
Although I am not against a masters (if I qualified and could get the time off work and family I would play in it), I think I am with Roy here. We have shelved the one competition that gives every team the chance of playing on finals night, in order to preserve a situation where the weakest teams in the league must travel to play the best in the league.
Is now a good time to introduce a new competition for the best players in the league?
This league has nearly doubled in size over the past few years. People like Roy and myself know why this is.
Bob, you can wish everybody is as committed as what you are, but it aint going to happen.
Theconcernedone
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Post by bobhall on Aug 17, 2008 21:42:40 GMT
we havent shelved it we have just had to many complaints about how the season ran on for longer and i feel every team should play each other so its the only way if people are concerned about the charity put in some ideas on how we can run it on the weekend or in another format but i will be making sure that hurst club raise as much money for the charity pot no matter what
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 22:27:58 GMT
It would be better I think, to run a competition where the top 25 players in the players list are not permitted entry and the rest play a handicapped event. Just to get this back into perspective, as people seem content on clouding the issue, I would willingly accept that we shouldn't introduce a competition like the Masters until the Charity League situation is sorted out. I'm sorry now I even mentioned it in the first place. ??? We all want to save the Charity, let's have enough of the bleeding hearts and crocodile tears: COMMITTEE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ! In answer to Roy's rather cynical suggestion in the quote above, we already have a competition from which 50% of the League (all the Premier Players) is debarred from entering: its called the First Division Singles. ::) |
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Post by specialone on Aug 17, 2008 22:36:02 GMT
Bob You may feel every team should play each other, you as a player are good enough to beat anyone in the league, and your team was the best in the league last year. However has anybody asked the Windmill, the Watermill, the White horse etc.
When we took the decision to go to 'all plays all', there was a lot of concern about the fact that the weakest teams in the league would have to travel to matches where they would be totally outclassed, with little or no hope of winning. It was agreed that this was a necersarry evil. in order to give us a reasonable length season. Now we are asked to believe this necesarry evil is a universally approved essential.
If you ever you play one of the weaker teams the week after they have travelled to a match only to be thrashed by a team far more committed than they are, talk to them and see if they think 'all plays all' is a good thing.
You and I are good enough to play in either league. What about the players who are not.
'All plays all' means players like myself start with about 10 wins before we have worked out where we left the cue at the end of last season. Looks good on paper, but that's the only place it looks good.
I am aware 2 divisions would put me in the lower league, however what I am saying is not out of self interest. I would hope to win loads to get my team back up, then win enough next season to keep then there. It's the whole league that matters.
Shaun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 22:56:00 GMT
Can you edit your post please Shaun, as it sounds as if you are directing it at me, and I have already agreed with your view that all playing all is an alarming and drastic step. Much better to have two divisions only playing amongst themselves - otherwise what is the point of calling it divisions, it is just one league of 16 teams.
And going back to separated divisions then means a Charity League can operate as it used to, as a League rather than knockout (which is the only way it would be fitted in this year).
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Post by specialone on Aug 17, 2008 22:59:30 GMT
Not sure how to edit, but my post was for Bob. I think Tommo and I are in close agreement.
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