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Post by keithmacdonald on Sept 22, 2009 7:03:36 GMT
Nigel,
Seems like everyone had a great day on Sunday and well done to the winners. Were you able to confirm any more entries for Division 3??
Can you explain to me how you made last year work with only two teams as its a long way to go just to play one county??
Thanks,
Keith
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Post by peetee on Sept 22, 2009 12:26:03 GMT
I didn't think I was going to be able to say this, but it was great to be part of a winning Oxfordshire side again. ;D 8-) Glad you did, well done Oxon ;) |
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Post by davemay on Sept 22, 2009 19:20:01 GMT
Keith
I have sent you a PM and explained what happened last year
Dave May
PS.........It worked very well as far as I could see
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Post by NigelS on Sept 22, 2009 22:40:38 GMT
Hi Keith, I am sure Dave has explained it to you, but in a nutshell....
Kent B and Berks B were the only two teams present last year. They played 4 times so players got the usual 4 legs each but everyone played 4 different opponents. Not ideal to have 2 teams of course, but we managed to make a competition of it.
I think this needs a serious looking at for the future, my biggest fear is that one county (possibly Cambs) will want to particpate in div 3 but have noone to play, and we have lost a county from the county championships. B teams are all well and good but we should let them compete at the expense of the weaker counties....
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Post by milko on Sept 23, 2009 4:48:30 GMT
Hi Keith, I am sure Dave has explained it to you, but in a nutshell.... Kent B and Berks B were the only two teams present last year. They played 4 times so players got the usual 4 legs each but everyone played 4 different opponents. Not ideal to have 2 teams of course, but we managed to make a competition of it. I think this needs a serious looking at for the future, my biggest fear is that one county (possibly Cambs) will want to particpate in div 3 but have noone to play, and we have lost a county from the county championships. B teams are all well and good but we should let them compete at the expense of the weaker counties.... Nigel, do you mean it this way. :o :o |
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Post by NigelS on Sept 23, 2009 12:15:07 GMT
Ha yes Keith just read that back - just to clarify I DON'T think we should let B teams compete at the expenses of other counties!
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Post by BB Warrior on Sept 23, 2009 13:26:23 GMT
Ha yes Keith just read that back - just to clarify I DON'T think we should let B teams compete at the expenses of other counties! Sorry Nige, I don't see how letting B Teams compete is at the expense of other counties...... ??? There is nothing currently stopping any County entering and playing, although some have chosen not to or have been unable to raise a team in the last couple of seasons. ::) Surely, we want to encourage more players (not just an "elite few") to compete and the current system means that the better players will always be playing at the highest level, but still offers all of the teams the chance to improve and be promoted.... what is wrong with that? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 13:41:06 GMT
I'd offer the view that, having admitted the 'B' teams, we cannot henceforward exclude them: more relevant is the question Could/should we ever admit 'C' teams ?
Hopefully this year will be the best arrangement for some seasons, with 5 teams in Div 1, 5 teams in Div 2, and 4 in Div 3 (Berks B, Bucks, Cambs and Surrey B).
Where we could have shot ourselves in the foot is if a single-teamed county like Bucks or Cambs is left high and dry with no-one else to play, and I for one would hate for this to happen this year.
The only way to guard against this contingency is not to recoil against the B teams, but rather to reverse the weekends, having the 3rd Division play first (thus committing to it early), and play the 1st/2nd Div day last.
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Post by NigelS on Sept 23, 2009 14:38:45 GMT
Whilst I agree that Bucks and Cambs non appearances may not have been because of the introduction of B teams, the fact they now have to compete on a different weekend to the other counties could mean they disappear altogether although of course I hope not.
BUT if Cambridge end up with noone to play this year what is the liklihood of them coming back? There is no escaping the fact our main county weekend only now has seven counties present even though 3 counties have B teams.
Where as I also agree that we should be encouraging players and not just an "elite few", I think that it is forgotten that this is a national competition. Encouraging players should be done at grass roots local level and when you get good enough you get selected for your county. That is how it worked when I first got picked - there were no B teams then. I think giving C teams the green light would be even worse - it is almost giving anyone willing to play the opportunity to play for your county - I think it is something that should be earned by good performances in other competitions
My only compromise would be to have B teams (and C teams if you like) to play on the division 3 weekend in a B team cup- players then can play on tournament tables in a competitive competition - you are almost certainly guaranteed three teams (Berks, Sussex & Oxon). As Tommo says excluding them now is probably not an option but giving them a seperate competion may well be.
I am sure people will think that by saying this I am being elitist because I am lucky enough to have played for my county for the last few years, where there are others who would possibly never get the chance to play for their county unless there were B teams. But I always thought the idea was to get into the side by playing well enough in other competitions - and there are plenty of opportunites there for up and coming players with a full calendar of opens to play in.
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Post by BB Warrior on Sept 23, 2009 17:39:06 GMT
I can certainly see the merit in having a separate competition for County B Teams...... 8-)
However, given that 2 B Teams Oxon in 2007 and Sussex in 2008) have won the existing Division 2 competition in the last 3 years, would that not weaken the standard in that Division and lead to some very one-sided matches?
That in itself might result in a couple of the weaker counties dropping out in the future because they do not want to keep being thrashed by the stronger counties..... whereas at the moment, most of the games are fairly evenly balanced which means a more exciting competition. ;D
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Post by NigelS on Sept 23, 2009 17:59:08 GMT
Fair comment BBwarrior in that we want the county champs to be competitive. It all depends on what sides Camb and Bucks can put out. There is no doubt they could put out very competitive sides that could do well in div 2. The last time Cambs entered was in 2006 and were runners up in div 2, Bucks won div 2 in 2004 - and then didn't turn up the next year to take there place in div 1. Every time they have entered they have not been thrashed - it is just getting them to enter a team that has been difficult
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Post by jordans on Sept 23, 2009 21:03:13 GMT
Hi Nigel,
Just to let you know Bucks will definitely have a team for Division 3 - sorry it's taken so long, it's just such hard work getting people to commit! Unfortunately, it's not looking so good for the womens - I have four players, but just can't get a fifth. If it's ok with you, can I let you know by Saturday for definite?
At least with the mens it will mean Div 3 can go ahead!
Dawn & Ernie.
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Post by NigelS on Sept 23, 2009 21:15:20 GMT
Hi Nigel, Just to let you know Bucks will definitely have a team for Division 3 - sorry it's taken so long, it's just such hard work getting people to commit! Unfortunately, it's not looking so good for the womens - I have four players, but just can't get a fifth. If it's ok with you, can I let you know by Saturday for definite? At least with the mens it will mean Div 3 can go ahead! Dawn & Ernie. Thanks Dawn & Ernie - keep trying for the ladies, I am happy to give you till the weeked, let me know. Nige |
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Post by barbelman on Sept 24, 2009 6:52:24 GMT
Another way round this is to reorganise the AEBBA with membership by Association rather than County. This would give a greater number of teams and allow a very competitive league structure.
I still find it very odd that multi-Association counties (eg Sussex) have exactly the same representation in all AEBBA competitions as single-Association ones (eg Northants) - hardly proportional representation! ;)
I could start a four team league in (say) Gloucestershire and have EXACTLY the same rights and power as Oxon... (apart from votes at the AGM)
Just a thought......
cheers
Tony
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Post by Chris on Sept 24, 2009 8:36:41 GMT
Hi Nigel
Sorry to add to everything else ... appreciate all the time this all takes.
Ladies Div2 I have two people taking holiday leave to attend that Sunday. If there is only going to be one other team to play I think we would be saying no. Sadly I think we are going to need to know fairly soon so they can work if the situation stays the same.
I will be up there anyway as Chris is playing in singles.
The really good thing about this thread is that you can know in advance and not make the journey if not needed. So thanks Nigel, whilst a lot of work, a really good idea :)
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Post by NigelS on Sept 24, 2009 13:08:03 GMT
Hi Nigel Sorry to add to everything else ... appreciate all the time this all takes. Ladies Div2 I have two people taking holiday leave to attend that Sunday. If there is only going to be one other team to play I think we would be saying no. Sadly I think we are going to need to know fairly soon so they can work if the situation stays the same. I will be up there anyway as Chris is playing in singles. The really good thing about this thread is that you can know in advance and not make the journey if not needed. So thanks Nigel, whilst a lot of work, a really good idea :) Hi chris, bear with me, I have heard nothing from Surrey (A&B), Kent & Berks, but think it likely they will all attend given they have all been present for the last 5 years or so, but I will chase them up to get confirmation - if anyone can give me any info on those that would be greatly appreciated. If the worst came to the worst though Chris, (and I only had 6 teams overall) I would do a format which involved all of the teams all play all but the best placed of Hampshire and Sussex B would be division 2 champions, so don't fret I will make sure you will all get a minimum of 3 games (hopefully more if all the teams attend) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 13:21:45 GMT
bear with me, I have heard nothing from Surrey (A&B) There's a Redhill League committee meeting being held tonight, Nigel, so the subject will be raised then and we'll report back to you soonest. |
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Post by Chris on Sept 24, 2009 19:29:38 GMT
Thanks Nigel...
Following your response we are definite.
Regards
Chris
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Post by David.G on Sept 25, 2009 19:58:14 GMT
Hi Nige
I confirm there will be a berks ladies team and a mens B team for div 3
also Bill Trinder is mens Individual
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 20:30:35 GMT
I can report that Surrey Ladies A team are definites, but as of yesterday they were still desperately trying to recruit sufficient for a B side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 20:06:37 GMT
Nigel/Dave,
Can now confirm that Surrey Ladies B now have a side for the 4th Oct.
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Post by jordans on Sept 28, 2009 22:25:40 GMT
Hi Nigel,
Just to let you know that there will definitely NOT be a Bucks ladies team for Sunday. I have tried my very hardest, but just can't get a team together.
Ernie will be there, so see you then.
Dawn.
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Post by NigelS on Sept 28, 2009 22:56:49 GMT
Thanks for the above responses, trying to get an answer for the Kent ladies.
Thanks for trying Dawn with the Bucks ladies sorry to hear you could not raise a team, see you on Sunday.
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Post by RP (R.I.P.) on Oct 8, 2009 18:32:08 GMT
Nigel,
I can now confirm that Surrey will have a team for Div 3 on the 18th Oct.
Richard
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Post by NigelS on Oct 15, 2009 23:50:30 GMT
18 Oct
County Champs
Div 3
Surrey B
Cambs
Berks B
Bucks
Ladies All England Singles
Oxon - Jenny Florey
Sussex - Lorraine Hall
Surrey - Sally Mortimer
Berks - not sure who it is but they have got one!
Bucks - Marilyn Izzard
Kent - Janie Macoy
Hants - Chris Toner
So 4 teams and 7 ladies - formats are done, if there are any drop outs, PLEASE let me know and I can send any amended formats to Dave. Have a good competition and good luck to those taking part.
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Post by MID on Oct 17, 2009 13:53:20 GMT
Alternative Rules (Triangle) can confirm that the following are entering:
Tony Webster
Dave Tallack
Brian Daniels
Barry Radford
Lee Radford
Tony Woolvin
Daniel Woolvin
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Post by milko on Oct 19, 2009 10:47:41 GMT
Alternative Rules (Triangle) can confirm that the following are entering: Tony Webster Dave Tallack Brian Daniels Barry Radford Lee Radford Tony Woolvin Daniel Woolvin Plus Pauline Withey, Steven Sheard and Keith Sheard. Also Pauline for the Special Ladies next Sunday. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2009 16:32:52 GMT
Alternative Rules (Triangle) can confirm that the following are entering: Tony Webster Dave Tallack Brian Daniels Barry Radford Lee Radford Tony Woolvin Daniel Woolvin and Lewis Stratford and Sean Stratford |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 13:11:17 GMT
18 Oct County Champs Div 3 Surrey B Cambs Berks B Bucks Any news on how this went ? |
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Post by curtd on Oct 21, 2009 19:44:02 GMT
Alternate rules
Curt Driver
Mark Brewster
Gerry Fitzjohn
Nick Wren.
Will be attending
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