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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2010 22:06:48 GMT
i think the officials in this tournament have been a disgrace.
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Post by milko on Jun 28, 2010 6:37:48 GMT
I think it's definitely time for an English manager of the National side again, my choice would be Harry Redknapp with Louise Redknapp as the trainer. ::) :-* ;D ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 8:28:09 GMT
;D
Ah well, the 'proper' football starts in about 6 weeks' time. Can't wait. :D
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Post by Colemanator on Jun 28, 2010 10:21:58 GMT
;D Ah well, the 'proper' football starts in about 6 weeks' time. Can't wait. :D ;Dwhat's proper football? do you mean the premiership, which is full of foreigners, which is why the national team is what it is :-/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 10:33:11 GMT
;Dwhat's proper football? do you mean the premiership, which is full of foreigners, which is why the national team is what it is :-/ Yes, Blue Square Premiership. ;D ;D ;D Good point, which Sav touched on earlier: English national league at top level has been overrun by foreigners. The abilities of the few Englishmen in the top sides are flattered by the service they get from their world-class teammates. When they are extracted to play together as England, they don't get the same service and only have each other to rely on (eg no Torres for Gerrard to link to, no Drogba for Lampard to link to, etc.) So while the situation is allowed to remain, our National Side is always going to be a pale shadow of our multi-talented Premiership sides. |
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Post by BFG on Jun 28, 2010 15:08:13 GMT
I think it's definitely time for an English manager of the National side again, my choice would be Harry Redknapp with Louise Redknapp as the trainer. ::) :-* ;D ;) Unfortunately believe this will never happen just like Brian Clough greatest England manager we never had! Louise though don't think the FA have an issue with her......where are my boots! ;)! |
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Post by BFG on Jun 28, 2010 16:19:16 GMT
Just a thought.....
Is England the only team where every player plays in their domestic league? ???
Maybe that should be an advantage?
Good game today with good officials think every decision was vindicated with the exception of getting hoodwinked for the penalty in the 93rd minute!
Not sure that Nederlands were that convincing but you did get the feeling they were ready to crank it up if they needed to.....we shall see!
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Post by bigstew on Jun 28, 2010 17:49:39 GMT
Just a thought..... Is England the only team where every player plays in their domestic league? ??? ! Pretty much sure, every North Korean player plays in their home country |
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Post by BFG on Jun 28, 2010 20:46:03 GMT
Just a thought..... Is England the only team where every player plays in their domestic league? ??? ! Pretty much sure, every North Korean player plays in their home country Thanks for that bigstew will look into that one! |
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Post by BFG on Jun 28, 2010 21:02:24 GMT
Pretty much sure, every North Korean player plays in their home country Thanks for that bigstew will look into that one! No Jong tae se plays in Japan! Hong Yung Jo plays in Russia! The other 21 do though 8-) |
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Post by BFG on Jun 29, 2010 11:09:29 GMT
Shocked! It's Italy!
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Post by milhouse on Jun 29, 2010 13:19:06 GMT
;Dwhat's proper football? do you mean the premiership, which is full of foreigners, which is why the national team is what it is :-/ Yes, Blue Square Premiership. ;D ;D ;D Good point, which Sav touched on earlier: English national league at top level has been overrun by foreigners. The abilities of the few Englishmen in the top sides are flattered by the service they get from their world-class teammates. When they are extracted to play together as England, they don't get the same service and only have each other to rely on (eg no Torres for Gerrard to link to, no Drogba for Lampard to link to, etc.) So while the situation is allowed to remain, our National Side is always going to be a pale shadow of our multi-talented Premiership sides. I would disagree with this, how many truly World Class players are there in the Premier League ? If you selected a World XI, how many would come from the Premier League ? I can't think of any! But the Premier league do have a lot of mediocre foreign players and the reason for this is...... they are cheaper to buy ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 13:26:09 GMT
I would agree 50% only on that. Good point that a good percentage of them don't cut the mustard. But I'm talking teams like Arsenal and more recently Man City who play continental-style football and their world-class foreigners are a foil for any Englishmen lucky enough to get a chance in the team.
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Post by BB Warrior on Jun 29, 2010 18:13:24 GMT
I would agree 50% only on that. Good point that a good percentage of them don't cut the mustard. But I'm talking teams like Arsenal and more recently Man City who play continental-style football and their world-class foreigners are a foil for any Englishmen lucky enough to get a chance in the team. According to the Premier League Website, there were 337 foreign players last season..... almost 17 per Club. :o Little wonder that the English players find it hard to break into the top teams...... regardless of how much talent they may have...... especially when they cost more than most of the foreign equivalents. ::) Having said that, I blame the Clubs themselves for the demise of English Talent..... with so much money sloshing around thanks to the Television Deals, it is far easier to pay the money and get foreign players in for a quick result than it is to invest and develop young players here. :'( However, if you then compare that outlook to Barcelona, who are arguably the best Club Team in the World..... much of their success is down to the players that they have nurtured through their youth policy (La Masia) which has produced some of the best players around...... including Josep Guardiola, Albert Ferrer, Carles Puyol, Xavi Hernández, Gabri García, José Manuel Reina, Víctor Valdés, Gerard Piqué, Andrés Iniesta, Sergio García, Sergio Busquets, Cesc Fàbregas, Lionel Messi, Pedro Rodríguez, Mikel Arteta and Jeffrén Suárez....... with minimal outlay. ;D ;D ;D Until the Premier League teams are forced to have a minimum number of English players..... which will then mean that they have to invest time and resources into producing good home grown youngsters..... the England Team will not be able to effectively compete at International level. As for Fabio Capello's excuse that the reason England lost to Germany was that "the players were tired"...... surely it is the job of the Coach to ensure that the team he picks are all fit and able to play. :P Personally, I have never heard such a load of nonsense, especially as the season ended over a month ago..... and I can't say that I have noticed any of the foreign players in the Premier League who are representing their countries looking so "tired" that they cannot tackle, head, pass or shoot the ball in the direction that they want to....... all of which seemed to be beyond the "Golden Generation" of England players! ::) I hope that the FA realise that being a successful Club Manager..... with plentiful resources to buy the players that you want...... does not necessarily mean that you are a good international manager. |
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Post by bigstew on Jun 29, 2010 19:59:51 GMT
Thanks for that bigstew will look into that one! No Jong tae se plays in Japan! Hong Yung Jo plays in Russia! The other 21 do though 8-) Well would you Adam and Eve it! ;D |
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Post by davejones on Jun 29, 2010 21:01:24 GMT
Cesc Fabregas left Barcelona when he was sixteen. Arsene Wenger is the one who has made the player he is today not Barcelona.
The youth team at Arsenal is one of the best in the country except possibly Southampton. You will start to see the youngsters coming through or maybe sold on to benefit other lower premier/championship sides players like Jack Wilshere, Sanchez Watt, Henri Lansbury, Craig Eastmond, Kerrea Gilbert and Mark Randall to name a few. And they are all English!
And if Cesc does go back to Barcelona there is an ideal replacement in Aaron Ramsey when he is fit again
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 13:06:38 GMT
Talking of Arsenal youngsters, England left the best one (Theo Walcott) at home.
Maybe the players you've named will form the new 'Golden Generation' - certainly the existing so called one has become somewhat tarnished!
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Post by Colemanator on Jun 30, 2010 17:04:59 GMT
Poll Question: Who will win the World Cup ?
Who cares ::)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 15:28:15 GMT
Watching Brazil v Holland at the moment. Great match.
20 mins to go, Brazil are 1-2 down, we'll see what they're made of.....
73 mins......Brazil now have had a man sent off for trampling on Arjen Robben. It's hotting up....................
That's it, Brazil are out, but at least they showed some fight right to the last.
Holland v who of ? Argentina/Germany/Spain ? in the Final.
We'll have to wait for Semifinal 2 on Wednesday to find out. :-/
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Post by Dave Anscombe on Jul 12, 2010 17:24:14 GMT
Interesting post this is. We started off with a discussion on who would win the World Cup it then progressed onto nearly three pages of why England lost, got knocked out and what should be done about it.
My answer to that is teach our youngsters better and give them more competition. The coaches who teach youngster I have spoken to tell me that they could only get the kids to warm up by getting them to run around the park. Only qualified physiotherapists could give the kids further warm up exercises in case the kids got injured. What about the games they play in, can they not get injured in those?
When I was at school the local schools had a football league and it was quite competitive. Seems now the do gooders have ruined that because they feel that the kids who keep losing may get a feeling of inferiority. Load of c**p. >:(
One last thing before I return to my nest. Note I said Spain right from the beginning. :) :)
Not that I don't like blowing my own trumpet ;D and being big headed ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 19:46:57 GMT
Well done indeed, Dave.
Out of 19 votes polled you were the only one who went for Spain. ;D
Makes you the outright winner. 8-)
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Post by BFG on Jul 12, 2010 21:24:42 GMT
Not that I don't like blowing my own trumpet ;D and being big headed ;D ;D ;D ;D Surely you meant blowing your own vuvuzela!! |
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Sept 8, 2010 18:13:36 GMT
Sorry to say England seem to be just a one trick pony this tournament with too much reliance on Rooney who couldn't score in a brothel at the moment. Or could he .............. ? More predictions and breaking news on guernseygossip.com |
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Post by davejones on Sept 8, 2010 20:37:48 GMT
I think Rooney should be vice captain!
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