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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 8:14:43 GMT
If a player makes a foul shot by knocking the peg down and then the scorer places the peg back on its spot but the peg is touching the ball. Does this mean the ball has to come back? I was scoring last night and wasn't sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 9:52:32 GMT
This has always been subject to fierce debate locally.
If the ball as you say is touching the peg after you've put the ball back, that means you have made some contact with it (no matter how slight) and disturbed it. So the ball comes back.
Only if you can still see daylight between ball and peg does it remain.
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Post by barbelman on Oct 27, 2010 10:24:28 GMT
If a player makes a foul shot by knocking the peg down and then the scorer places the peg back on its spot but the peg is touching the ball. Does this mean the ball has to come back? I was scoring last night and wasn't sure. It's a scorer's decision Lewis. You CAN put the ball back without moving the peg but still touching it but you need to be teetotal, non-smoking and under 25 to do it! As Tommo says if the ball moves (in the scorer's opinion) then it comes back, if it doesn't then it doesn't come back but only the scorer can make that call. The AEBBA rules say that if you are prevented replacing the peg on the spot then that ball comes back but makes no mention of the ball coming back if it simply touching the peg and not causing it to lean. cheers Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 10:34:21 GMT
The AEBBA rules say that if you are prevented replacing the peg on the spot then that ball comes back but makes no mention of the ball coming back if it simply touching the peg and not causing it to lean. cheers Tony That's a moot point Tony. Would refer you to the laws of physics which say that two objects touching each other have to be inclined or leaning towards each other to do so. It's all to do with gravitational pull. And who am I to disagree with Euclid ? ;D |
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Post by bobhall on Oct 27, 2010 12:10:11 GMT
hi lewis if you think about it with out all this logic anything that is touched together there will be a micro movement even if unseen by the naked eye so if you cant place peg on spot when it has been knocked over it must be placed on the spot and the ball placed in tray but if the peg is standing and the spot is impeeded it must stay in its place till end of break
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2010 13:14:51 GMT
hi lewis if you think about it with out all this logic anything that is touched together there will be a micro movement even if unseen by the naked eye Correct, young Robert! Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation states that "all objects attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to their distance of separation." |
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 11:48:19 GMT
If it's touching it comes back, yes physics define that something can touch something without moving it etc, but its Bar Billiards for **** sake! lol
The thing I hate about this is that scorers are biased as to whether the ball comes back (especially if this means their team mate gets the break back), they could do the action so quickly that the peg may well go on the spot, but would be tricky for their team mate.
On the contrary, the pegs are usually larger than the spots, so some biased scorers (especially when their team mate's apponent is on the table) place the peg so it is only just covering the spot but as near to the impeding ball as possible, rather than centralising it as they would do if no ball was near to the spot. This results in the ball being unplayable and forcing the next player to foul. Similarly, this could be done the same way but away from the ball to give the team mate the advantage.
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