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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2010 10:50:41 GMT
Look on it as a form of punishment for changing venues from the one you were drawn out to play on (the Plough, Lower Beeding). ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by H on Nov 15, 2010 11:02:36 GMT
Touche
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 14:27:55 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) after Week 8
1 Hurst Club (mama and papa hall both scored 5k) 2 Brewers (8730 from Steve King) 3 Watermill (2 scores around the 4k mark = no change) 4 Eight Bells (5 scores of over 5000) COMMENDATION. 5 Laughing Fish (described by H as 'firewood' and 'doggy doo'.) ;D 6 Mill House 7 Plough P/G (5390 from Dave Knight) 8 Woolpack 9 Greyhound 10 Plough L/B 11 United Services 12 St Francis (1 score of 4400 from TSO = no change) 13 Horns Lodge
2 rung changes only this week, with Eight Bells moving above Laughing Fish (original table still in Tarratt's workshop) and Plough Plumpton regaining its place from 2 weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2010 18:02:26 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) after Week 9.
1 Brewers (A.Bateup 8030, R.Spurrier 5110) 2 Hurst Club 3 Eight Bells 4 Watermill 5 Mill House (G.Daniels 7k, B.Timson 5k, M.Holmwood 5k) 6 Laughing Fish 7 Plough P/G 8 Greyhound (T.Rees 6690) 9 Plough L/B (H.Brooks 8540 for the visitors) 10 Woolpack 11 United Services (G.Sparksman 5100; S.Morris 6210 for visitors) 12 St Francis 13 Horns Lodge
A big shake-up this week, with the Brewers table going top as for a change no-one quite made 5k on the Hurst this week. Watermill drop a place and Woolpack two for a similar reason. United Services stay put despite a good week as no table can drop more than two places in one week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 15:17:29 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)
1 Brewers (S.Morris 5840) 2 Hurst Club (N.Brown 12,420 incl. 11k break) 3 Eight Bells 4 Mill House (G.Daniels 10,600, P.Edwards 6100) 5 Watermill 6 Laughing Fish 7 Plough P/G 8 Woolpack (H.Brooks 7k) 9 Greyhound 10 Plough L/B 11 United Services 12 St Francis 13 Horns Lodge
The Mill House benefit this week with two good scores - at the expense of Watermill, where only one score exceeded 3k.
And the Woolpack, thanks to Henry's rather restrained 7k, leapfrog both the Greyhound and the Plough L/B where there were no scores of note.
United Services stay put, two scores of 4k and two of 3k representing an average week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 14:49:54 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) - after 11 games played.
1 Brewers (7 scores of more than 5k............COMMENDATION) 2 Hurst Club (P.Edwards 9280, B.Hall 5450, L.Hall 4550) 3 Eight Bells (D.Mahy 5960, R.Appleby 4660) 4 Mill House 5 Laughing Fish (H 14800, T.Gasson 5500) 6 Watermill 7 Plough P/G (D.Knight 8280, D.Newnham 6810, J.Lear 5010) 8 Woolpack 9 Greyhound 10 Plough L/B 11 United Services 12 St Francis 13 Horns Lodge
Only one change this week, the Laughing Fish goes up one thanks to a fine 14,800 from Henry. There was no report on the Watermill so they can slip one place but not two. Average performances on the St Francis and Horns Lodge, so they stay put.
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 18, 2010 17:09:31 GMT
Any particular reason why the Plough Plumpton table has stayed at 7th place this week.......??? SIX scores above 5k in one week in two matches........ by 6 different players..... and 4 other scores above 4k...... :o :o Plough Plumpton 4 Woolpack 1 Jan Bithell 4,980 - 0* Nigel Bransby Dave Ingram 8,720* - 460 Jan Hinkins Dave Knight 2,440 - 5,960 Malc FullerDarren Newnham 4,170* - 450 Lyn Storr Chase Newman 6,160 - 1,030* Anne Stockinger A bit late as was out baby sitting last night. Plough PG 4 Hurst B 1 Jan Bithell 4400 Chris Kirkham 1870 Darren Newnham 6810 Iang 2160 Dave Knight 8280 Steve King 1040 Chase Newnham 4200 Colleen Park 1320 Ron Sheridan 3680 John Lear 5010 ...... but a "non-mover" and still in 7th place. :P On the basis that normally they would have gone up at least 1 place for each "week" (match played), then there has to be something wrong there........ :-X
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2010 17:37:10 GMT
There was no report on the Watermill so they can slip one place but not two. That was the reason, Warrior. The problem being - no report on this week's match which the Watermill won 5-0. Even the OldFella's report (just out) merely stated 'Watermill played a whitewash game against Plough LB to stay third'. With the likelihood that either Norman or Kim had a good game, I thought it better not to drop them two places. The 4-1 defeat of Woolpack will count with any other fulfilled games over the holiday period, so there is the likelihood of an upward movement next time around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2010 18:24:15 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) - 12 games played
1 Brewers (Andy F/Wright 8760, T.Rees 8090) 2 Hurst Club (K.Hall 8890, P.Edwards 6190, P.Hall 5190) 3 Eight Bells (D.Mahy 6290) 4 Laughing Fish (H 14,790) 5 Mill House 6 Plough P/G (D.Ingram 8720, C.Newman 6160, M.Fuller 5960) 7 Watermill (no score of 5k) 8 Woolpack 9 Greyhound 10 Plough L/B 11 St Francis (P.Jobbins 5510) 12 United Services 13 Horns Lodge
Season still only 40% complete, plenty left to play for............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 16:46:43 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) - after 13 games
1 Brewers D.Ingram 19520, A.Bateup 10850 *Commendation* 2 Hurst Club H.Brooks 10110, J.Ashford 7820, Colleen Park 6150 3 Eight Bells 4 Mill House A.Downs 6070, G.Daniels 5770 5 Laughing Fish 6 Watermill N.Brown 5060 7 Plough P/G 8 Plough L/B M.Webber 5040 9 Greyhound 10 Woolpack (no scores of note) 11 St Francis S.Morris 6100 12 United Services P.Edwards 5570 13 Horns Lodge
No games on the Eight Bells, Laughing Fish, Plough P/G, Greyhound or Horns Lodge this week.None of these can drop more than one place, so no upward movements for St Francis or USC in spite of a good score on both.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 19:37:28 GMT
Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) - after 14 games
1 Brewers (Jock 7870, Farmer 6740, TGreenyer 5330) 2 Hurst Club (P.Edwards 10,110, Boball 8970, SteveKing 6860) 3 Laughing Fish (H 7140) 4 Mill House 5 Eight Bells (needs time to settle in again after being lent for Sussex competitions) 6 Watermill (6ks from N.Cragg and K.Stenning) 7 Plough P/G (D.Newnham 6430, D.Knight 5590) 8 Greyhound (Trevor Rees 7020) 9 Plough L/B 10 Woolpack 11 St Francis 12 United Services 13 Horns Lodge (no scores of note)
Sole movement this week was the swapping places of Eight Bells and Laughing Fish.
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Post by Richard on Jan 20, 2011 19:18:59 GMT
I have just seen this thread and not read everything fully so am not sure how the system works , however I am shocked to see the united services table where it is, I have played there many times and it has always been superb, flat , clean and consistent. I have also played many of the other tables and some seem to be in strange positions. Not trying to start anything , just an observation !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 19:46:28 GMT
Hi "Rain Doctor Who" good to hear from you on our Board. :D Shame your 17k wasn't done it our league, it would then have raised USC a rung on our 'fun' table ladder.
Certain factors give the United Services less of a chance of reaching the top than, say, the Hurst or the Brewers. One is that those two have a game on them every week as they have A and B teams, and USC only has the one team. The other is that the rather primitive system is high-score-driven, and Hurst and the Brewers both run for 19 or 20 minutes to give that extra opportunity.
I would certainly rate the USC in my top three favourites, along with the Eight Bells (when playing right) and the Mill House (a nice Jelkes like yours at CKRBL). USC has never done me any disservice, as the scores at our Masters competition last year will bear witness. Expect the USC to zip up the ladder like nobody's business during the second half of the season, just about to start. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 22:32:03 GMT
Table tables ladder after Week 15 (the half-way stage)
1 Hurst Club (Five scores of 5k+ by away players) *commendation* 2 Brewers (A.Bateup 9060) 3 Mill House (tommo 6650) 4 Laughing Fish 5 Eight Bells (Doug Mahy 15,740) *commendation* 6 Watermill 7 Plough P/G 8 Greyhound 9 Plough L/B 10 St Francis (D.Newnham 6190) 11 United Services (two scores of 4k plus 17k made in another League) 12 Woolpack (no score made 4k) 13 Horns Lodge
The away 'royal flush' on the Hurst table trumps 9k by a home player on the Brewers, so Hurst get top slot back. Meanwhile the Eight Bells, despite "Swan Menace" Mahy's mammoth 15.7k score are a non-mover as the Fish had no game on it and as a result cannot drop more than one place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 11:36:25 GMT
Tables Table/Ladder following a full programme of Team Cup & Plate matches: Last week's position is now shown in brackets.
1 Hurst Club (1) (high scores throughout, - per Ron) 2 Brewers (2) 3 Eight Bells (5) 4 Watermill (6) (BabyGuinness 6340) 5 Mill House (3) (no score of 4k) 6 Laughing Fish (4) (no score of 5k) 7 Plough P/G (7) 8 Greyhound (8) 9 St Francis (10) (tommo 5470) 10 United Services (11) (*commended by Spud, plus reports of a 14k-10k decider in mens singles*) 11 Plough L/B (9) 12 Woolpack (12) 13 Horns Lodge (13) (no score of 4k)
Eight Bells despite having no game there benefit by downwards movement by two teams above, the Mill House missing out on a chance to go second through being disturbed by being moved between bars.
Conversely, and some might say perversely, no game on the Plough L/B either, but slips two places to allow upwards movement from the two Haywards Heath clubs.
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Post by iang on Jan 29, 2011 13:02:33 GMT
Good Idea to put last weeks position in brackets I like ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2011 10:36:07 GMT
Tables' ladder after 16 games.........
1 Hurst Club (1) (N.Cragg 7110, S.King 5720) 2 Brewers (2) (A.Bateup 9130, Jock 5260) 3 Eight Bells (3) (N.Brown 10,870, D.Newnham 5240) 4 Mill House (4) 5 Watermill (5) (1 score of 4k only) 6 Laughing Fish (6) 7 Plough P/G (7) 8 St Francis (9) (Henry 11,600) 9 United Services (10) (Sparky 9750, TIR 6750) 10 Greyhound (8) 11 Plough L/B (11) 12 Horns Lodge (13) (3 scores of 4k) 13 Woolpack (12)
A further upwards movement from the two Haywards Heath clubs - this week at the expense of Greyhound. No change at the summit, the top three all justifying their positions.
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Post by bobhall on Feb 7, 2011 0:00:10 GMT
on behalf of sparky as he has no internet he would like to add also peter also lost a 4k break which would have put him on 7000 that night which is a fantastic score
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 23:39:48 GMT
Tables ladder after 17 games.
1 Hurst Club (1) (Boball 9530, P.Edwards 5410) 2 Brewers (2) (four scores of 5k +) 3 Mill House (4) (M.Holmwood 7340, tommo 6180) 4 Eight Bells (3) 5 Watermill (5) (A.Bateup 5240) 6 Plough P/G (7) (D.Newnham 8490, J.Bithell 6650, D.Knight 5450, C.Newman 5010) 7 Laughing Fish (6) 8 St Francis (8) 9 Greyhound (10) (T.Rees 6960) 10 United Services (9) 11 Plough L/B (11) (Steve Whyte 5310) 12 Horns Lodge (12) 13 Woolpack (13)
Watermill and Plough L/B are denied a rung movement as there was no game on the Eight Bells and United Services - who (for League games) are protected from dropping more than one rung when that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 12:14:15 GMT
Tables ladder with the League Programme 60% complete:
1 Hurst Club (1) (Steve King 6300) 2 Brewers (2) (Bravo 5830, Spud 5100) 3 Mill House (3) 4 Eight Bells (4) 5 Plough P/G (6) (D.Newnham 8560, D.Knight 8450, R.Sheridan 6570, J.Bithell 5240, A.Brooks 5080) 6 Watermill (5) (no score of 5k in the home derby!) 7 St Francis (8) (Derek Taylor 5k+) 8 Laughing Fish (7) 9 United Services (10) (SuperG 5040) 10 Greyhound (9) 11 Horns Lodge (12) (Malc Fuller 5k+) 12 Plough L/B (11) 13 Woolpack (13)
Plough Plumpton, St Francis, United Services and Horns Lodge all move up a rung this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 12:49:15 GMT
Tables ladder after 19 weeks. So-called 'dodgy Homer top' up in second place: This will upset the purists.......... :P
1 Hurst Club (1) (Boball 15,400, Dave Knight 5350) *Commendation* 2 Mill House (3) (tommo 8580) 3 Brewers (2) ("table sluggish and scores disappointing for 20 min bar" - Ros) 4 Eight Bells (4) 5 Watermill (6) (Kim Stenning 7k) 6 Plough P/G (5) 7 Laughing Fish (8) (H 8k, plus D.Mahy 12k, H and Nick both 5k in the delayed match) 8 St Francis (7) 9 United Services (9) 10 Plough L/B (12) (S.Whyte 7k, M.Webber 6k) 11 Horns Lodge (11) 12 Greyhound (10) (only 3 scores of 2k+) 13 Woolpack (13) (only 2 scores of 2k+)
At the foot, Plough L/B have swapped rungs with Greyhound after a good week for one and a bad for the other - a disparaging comment being taken as 'tongue-in-cheek'. :D
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Post by BB Warrior on Feb 25, 2011 22:47:10 GMT
Okay Clive, you are right..... ::) So-called 'dodgy Homer top' up in second place: This will upset the purists.......... :P I'm struggling to understand that, although I am sure you have a great excuse reason for doing it..... ;D Brewers table drops down a place after this post from Ros...... Brewers Arms 3 - Eight Bells 2 Jock 3030 - Ros 1750 Dilly 4320 - Denise 1780 Trevor Greenyer 1440 - Tony D 2290 The Farmer 6860 - Doug 4700 Derek 1420 - Nick 3780 Table very sluggish tonight, with the home players struggling too, although it ran on a little better as it warmed up. With a clock that runs 20 minutes and players of this standard, I would have expected to see more than one score over 5k. Total points scored = 31,370 with 1 x 6k, 2 x 4k and 2 x 3k scores. Meanwhile......... Mill House Z 4, Hurst B 1 Johnny Haigh 2370, Ian Giffen 3110 Barry Timson 3210, John Lear 1820 Alan Downs 2900, Chris Kirkham 2160 tommo 8580, Darrell Skinner 170 Mick Holmwood 4620, Steve King 2310 it is fair to say that all 10 players had trouble at some point with getting the pace right even the mighty Tommo struggled with the break at first but then went on with succesive breaks to get to 8500. Total points scored = 30,950 with 1 x 8k (from the person who sets up the table, who also had the break), 1 x 4k and 2 x 3k. ..... but the Mill House moves above the Brewers. :o ??? Slight tunnel vision about your own table maybe..... :P ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 23:09:37 GMT
Predictable knee-jerk reaction from the mighty one............... As you will know from putting all that effort into the Banter/Tipsters marking, the organiser is allowed a certain amount of poetic license........................
For the case in point, normally Andy F/W's 6k would be sufficient to keep the Brewers table upwardly mobile, but this is overridden should any negative comments be received, and in this case they were.
I thought Ros had a very valid point about some tables 'appearing' better than others by yielding high scores when a lot of that is due to the fact the clock runs for 20 minutes. So if you must compare our two tables you can knock 20% off the points you have calculated for the Brewers, which reduces 31k down to 26k and the Mill House table wins hands down.
I had no qualms about grabbing 2nd place for a fleeting moment, as the Brewers has been up there for most of the season, and, with a game on it every week, has the advantage of double the opportunity.
No-one should lose any sleep over it, as the Zeds will be playing there next Wednesday anyway and I would think that it's odds on that the position will be reversed as a result. Our lads will certainly be doing all we can to contribute towards this! ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 12:09:51 GMT
Tables' Ladder at the 2/3rds stage............
1 Brewers (3) (Bravo 15050, SuperG 11940, Spud 7820) 2 Mill House (2) 3 Hurst Club (1) (only one score of 4k+) 4 Eight Bells (4) (Kim Stenning 8140) 5 Plough P/G (6) (D.Newnham 13010, C.Newman 7160, Jock 6860, JanB 5790, Ron 5410) 6 Laughing Fish (7) (Boball 9650) 7 Watermill (5) (4k the highest, and 8 scores below 3k) 8 St Francis (8) (TSO 7790, Matty 5420) 9 United Services (9) 10 Plough L/B (10) 11 Greyhound (12) 12 Horns Lodge (11) (no score made 4k) 13 Woolpack (13)
The Hurst table loses top spot and swaps places with the Brewers; Plough P/G and Laughing Fish tables both leapfrog the Watermill.
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Post by bobhall on Mar 4, 2011 12:32:36 GMT
i would like to add how can hurst club go down 2 places tommo hurst is better than yours by far sorry but it is also USC played lovely in our singles. also i wonder how the singles and doubles got played on hurst on monday as your table ladder this week is way out tommo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 12:44:52 GMT
i would like to add how can hurst club go down 2 places tommo hurst is better than urs by far sorry but it is also usc played lovely singles also i wonder how the singles and doubles got played on hurst on monday as your table ladder this week is way out tommo I'm sorry, Bob, but the Hurst has to be subject to the same factors that have governed the movements of the other tables if it is to retain any credibility. You mention the USC, and I'm a big fan of it too, but do you really expect me to bump it up seven places just because of that? The Hurst has enjoyed all the kudos of being 'top table' for most of the season and if it's to regain its (rightful) place, then that will have to be earned. There's stil 10 weeks left for it to prove its case.
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Post by BB Warrior on Mar 4, 2011 12:45:51 GMT
i would like to add how can hurst club go down 2 places tommo hurst is better than urs by far sorry but it is also usc played lovely singles also i wonder how the singles and doubles got played on hurst on monday as your table ladder this week is way out tommo Different rules for different tables Bobhall..... I have been saying that for a while. :-X
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Post by BB Warrior on Mar 4, 2011 14:51:17 GMT
Different rules for different tables Bobhall..... I have been saying that for a while. :-X Tommo, firstly my apologies for this post, it was an unfair comment...... anything that is done to try to improve the standards of tables deserves supporting and I know that you do normally use the same system to judge the performances of all of the tables each week. Having said that, the main problem with the system that you use is that it is flawed (IMHO) as it does give an unfair advantage to certain tables..... ::) To explain why I say this, the tables at the Hurst Club and Brewers Arms will always be near the top as there are games there every week and all of the teams based there have several good players which mean that at least one (if not more) of the home team are likely to exceed the 5k score which would usually mean that a table will go up the ladder. The Watermill table is the exception to this as the 2 teams based there are of variable standard, so the table may go up one week and down the next..... without there being any actual variation in the table itself. :o It cannot be a coincidence that the other tables near the top of the ladder, Mill House, Eight Bells, Plough Plumpton and Laughing Fish all of the benefit of some of the best players in the League playing at those venues..... while the bottom 2 positions in the Tables ladder are occupied by 2 of the teams in the bottom 3 positions of the lower division. There is no such thing as a "fair" way to do something like this, without resorting to just using the tables statistics, which as we all know doesn't include the breaks that are lost (due to a bad shot, rather than because of a problem with the table) and I happily agree that everybody will have their own opinion on which is the best (or worst) table that they play on...... it is something of a standing joke between Henry and myself on our Lewes League nights that if one of us plays the table well, the other one will struggle.... very strange how often that proves to be correct though! ;D Personally, I think the fairest way to judge a table would be for it to be based on each TEAM (rather than table) and on the scores achieved by the AWAY TEAM ONLY...... that way you would end up with all of the tables being played the SAME number of times and by the SAME players and the strength of the home team players would not distort the results. 8-) Just a thought...... ;)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 15:18:37 GMT
Fair comment Warrior, and maybe next season we'll adopt that very system. However we will have to run with what we have at the moment as we can't change the system 2/3rds of the way through. Just as a reminder, I only started this up again for this year when prompted by Boball, thus: Hi all not sure if tommo would be willing to do it again as i felt this was a very constructive idea us at hurst have had the wonderful sparky in to make sure our table plays aswell as it usually does.and i feel this would be a great way to see which tables underperform and then could therefore be sorted to play better on everyones behalf I would assert that the end is justifying the means at present, we have seen a marked improvement in standards progressively throughout the season, and this seems to be down to the diligence of those who look after the tables. It has been a revelation to myself how much a simple thing like 'warming the balls' before the match can make a world of difference. I forgot to do this last Tuesday and we played with ones that were cold and clammy - not condusive to Bob's style of play, obviously......sorry, Bob! ;D ;D tommo NB. Lengthy exchange between Boball and tommo moved to the Banter Thread (Wk 21).
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Post by BB Warrior on Mar 4, 2011 16:13:38 GMT
Fair comment Warrior, and maybe next season we'll adopt that very system. However we will have to run with what we have at the moment as we can't change the system 2/3rds of the way through. I agree entirely that you should keep the same system for the rest of this season....... ;) I may not always agree with you as to where the tables are positioned in the ladder..... ::) .....but I know that we can agree to disagree as healthy discussion should never be a bad thing. 8-) ;D
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