Table ladder

[bobhall]

Hi all not sure if tommo would be willing to do it again as i felt this was a very constructive idea

us at hurst have had the wonderful sparky in to make sure our table plays aswell as it usually does.and i feel this would be a great way to see which tables underperform and then could therefore be sorted to play better on everyones behalf

Well Bob, as we have gone back to the big league, all plays all and no Byes, I'll give it a go again.
Eight tables to review each week makes it worth doing.

Will make it "Forum only" though as it's just a bit of fun and not official.

Hope we get a good service on reports this season for the website.  We need to spread the word.

[BB Warrior]

Sept 7, 2010 14:35:25 GMT tommo III said:

Well Bob, as we have gone back to the big league, all plays all and no Byes, I'll give it a go again.
Eight tables to review each week makes it worth doing.

Will make it "Forum only" though as it's just a bit of fun and not official.

Hope we get a good service on reports this season for the website.  We need to spread the word.

Maybe there should be a Tipsters as well. ;D

[bobhall]

oh yes i think sounds like a good idea

Returning by popular request......................

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)

1 Laughing Fish          (H 15k plus a good 7200 from away player Shaun)
2 Plough Plumpton     (10k from Nick Brown, 8770 from Chase, and a 5k break from Doug Mahy)
3 Hurst Club           (35k scored by the home team including a 5k break from Lorraine)
4 Brewers                (7240 from Jock and a 10k aggregate in the last frame)  
5 Watermill             (5k from Norman Cragg, a good 3k game also from Colleen)
6 Greyhound            (away team enjoyed the table more than the home team)
7 Plough L/B
8 Mill House
9 United Services
10 Eight Bells
11 St Francis
12 Woolpack
13 Horns Lodge

To start things off:
Only the top 7 had a game this week and there were good reports on all. The remaining 6 are placed at the organiser's discretion.

A case could be argued for the Hurst, Brewers and Watermill  to be higher, but these three tables have games on them every week, so plenty of opportunity there.

Any appeals can go direct to our resident table guru who also happens to be the League President:  I am led to believe he has an excellent round filing system (aka the wastepaper basket). ;D

NB. This is unofficial, and is not designed to cause offence. Please treat it as a bit of fun, to be accepted in the spirit it is intended.

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)

1 Laughing Fish        
2 Hurst Club           (9680 from P.Jobbins, 7550 from P.Goodwin)
3 Plough Plumpton    
4 Brewers                   (5k from Bravo)
5 Watermill               (6k from Dilly)
6 Greyhound            
7 Plough L/B
8 Mill House
9 Eight Bells          (3 scores of over 5k, inc.6700 from D.Mahy)
10 United Services          (the only 5k from Sparky himself......)
11 Woolpack          (8590 from G.Daniels)
12 St Francis                   (no scores over 2.5k)
13 Horns Lodge

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) Wk 3

1 Laughing Fish                   (H 19,290; BBW 11,780)
2 Hurst Club                         (Boball 6k; D.Mahy 7290; N.Brown 4k with 6k lost; Ros 5680(3660 bk)
3 Brewers                               (Derek Taylor 7550; Shaun Morris 5710)
4 Plough Plumpton    
5 Watermill                               (7080 from Kim Stenning)
6 Mill House                             (CT 8270 plus 5ks from GD and BT)
7 Greyhound                               (no score of 5k, table had been moved)
8 Plough L/B                                (no score of 4k+)
9 Eight Bells
10 United Services
11 Woolpack
12 St Francis
13 Horns Lodge

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)   Wk 4.

1 Hurst Club                                (10,950 from G.Daniels)
2 Laughing Fish
3 Brewers                                       (8330 from A.Bateup)
4 Plough Plumpton                          (D.Newnham 9140, D.Knight 8750)
5 Mill House
6 Watermill                                  (no-one on either side made 4k)
7 Greyhound            
8 Eight Bells                                 (N.Brown 6220, D.Williamson 6150)
9 Plough L/B
10 United Services                       (5ks for Lyn Storr and Terry Gasson)
11 Woolpack
12 Horns Lodge                            (6150 for Chris Farrow and 9990 for H, & could have been more!)
13 St Francis

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)   Week 5.

1 Hurst Club                            (11060 from Boball, 15350 from H)  *commendation*
2 Brewers                                  (Jock 9230 plus 5ks from Chase Newman & Ron Sheridan)  
3 Laughing Fish
4 Mill House                             (10160 from SuperG)
5 Plough Plumpton    
6 Watermill  (three 5k scores but no movement up as non-playing Plough can't drop more than 1 pos.)
7 Eight Bells
8 Greyhound                                       (no noteworthy scores)
9 Woolpack          (balls difficult to get back, but still 5550 from Malc and 5280 from S.King)    
10 Plough L/B                                      (2130 was the highest score on the card)
11 United Services        (4k the top score, and that from a really 'handy guy' ;D)
12 Horns Lodge
13 St Francis

The Hurst and the Brewers tables are up there in 1st and 2nd place on merit.

The Woolpack have jumped two places with the best games there yet, whilst there were indifferent performances on those they have replaced.  

Oct 21, 2010 7:25:24 GMT BB Warrior said:

we are waiting for match reports from.....
Laughing Fish 2 Brewers Arms 3 (normally H)
Plough Plumpton 2 Watermill A 3 (Come on Ron! ;D)
Brewers Bravos 4 Woolpack 1 (Spudgun)
Hurst B 3 United Services Club 2 (IanG or Sparky)

Yeah, come on, reporters, these matches took place a whole 12 hours ago! ;D ;D ;D

[iang]

your wish is our command as we both obliged ;D

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) Week 6

1 Hurst Club                   (I Giffen 6330, T Gasson 6060, J Lear 5080)
2 Brewers                        (Bravo 14430, Spud 7070)
3 Laughing Fish            (Dilly, Derek and H all score 6k)
4 Mill House
5 Watermill                   (SuperG 7170, A Downs 5590, BTimson 5550)
6 Eight Bells                   (N Brown 6200, D Mahy 5720, Ros Appleby 5020)
7 Plough P/G                             (no noteworthy scores)
8 Greyhound            
9 Woolpack
10 Plough L/B
11 United Services
12 Horns Lodge                        (no score over 5k)
13 St Francis                            (no score over 5k)

This week Watermill and Eight Bells, with 3 good scores each, leapfrog Plough Plumpton.

[BB Warrior]

A tricky job this week for the Tables Table Guru, with a lot of low scores being recorded. :'(

The Brewers seemed to be the only table that was playing well, while USC (without Sparky or Terry) should move up several places thanks to Bravo's 5950.... it really is too good a top to be ranked 11th in Mid-Sussex when it is consistently one of the highest scoring tables in the Lewes League. :-X

The normally high scoring Mill House obviously had a bad week, despite being left in the bar overnight after the Horsham League match...... and the Greyhound table only had a couple of 3k scores on it and has not had any good scores hit on it at all so far this season. :o

What can we say about the Plough LB Table...... Mark Webber hit nearly 6k on it which would normally move it up a place (based on Tommo's usual system) however the Away team were highly critical of it despite winning the match, so it is clearly not just a case of sour grapes.  I haven't played the table myself this season so I can't comment as to whether it is different to last year when it was my home Horsham venue, however when a player who is as good and experienced as Doug is makes the comments that he did, I would tend to think that there is something wrong with the way that it is set up now.

I have no problem with any team choosing to have their home table set up however they want, if they want to have a table that is uphill / downhill / rolls left / rolls right then that is up to them and visiting teams have to be able to adapt...... We all know that every table is different and some players adapt to them better than others, that is part of what makes the game so interesting...... however visiting players should expect to be rewarded by being able to get the balls in when they play a conventional shot..... like the break.

Possibly now is a good time to remind teams that they do have the right to run balls up the table before the start of a match and, if they are unhappy about the condition of a table, they can make a formal complaint to the Committee about it.

Good sentiment, and the nail hit firmly on the head about how this week's scoring will go.
So far this season the yardstick has been whether or not 5k has been scored on a table, this could increase to 6k if that develops into the norm.
Regarding the Plough LB, one score of 5k is outweighed by two separate comments about the table having a roll and being uphill. Hopefully if this persists, the Committee will be prompted into taking some sort of action.
It has indeed been a disappointing week for the Mill House top, scorewise, with no scores reaching 5k. The balls were gathering at the back of the table on Tuesday night, suggesting a 'downhill tendency'. So I raised the back legs yesterday but probably over-compensated, which made it easy to get the break back, but then difficult to get the break!  Give it time to bed down again and it will be (to quote Mr Larkin) 'perfick'.

[H]

Forget the rules, its about taking pride in your own table!

Oct 28, 2010 14:30:30 GMT H said:

Forget the rules, its about taking pride in your own table!

Hopefully you retain some pride then in maintaining 3rd spot in our Tables table. ;)

[bobhall]

i try to hope hurst plays its best as possible and hence y i get someone who knows how to set up tables to adjust it when it needs but other people believe they know what there doing when actually they probably dont have a clue so thats why some tables seem to perform poorly.

also regards to usc paul moyes-robb informed me the table was moved tuesday so once again not had time to settle is a key factor but sum pubs dont respect the fact that a table needs time to settle and will move it about all the time but what can you do like i have been told a good player should play the table and adjust to the table to the best of your ability

[BB Warrior]

Oct 28, 2010 14:30:30 GMT H said:

Forget the rules, its about taking pride in your own table!

I agree entirely and know that you mean exactly the same as I would in saying that..... a good high scoring table that rewards good shots and gives equal opportunity to all players.

Unfortunately, sometimes certain people take more pride in not being beaten on their own table than simply having a good table....... :-X

[BB Warrior]

Oct 28, 2010 15:15:51 GMT bobhall said:

also regards to usc paul moyes-robb informed me the table was moved tuesday so once again not had time to settle is a key factor but sum pubs dont respect the fact that a table needs time to settle and will move it about all the time but what can you do like i have been told a good player should play the table and adjust to the table to the best of your ability

The USC table was moved at the end of last week, with the lights being fitted over the weekend.

We had a Lewes League match there on Monday night and found that the break became progressively harder as the evening went on, so possibly the table is still settling in to it's new position.  I am sure that Sparky will soon get it running beautifully again as I know few people that are better at setting up a table than him. 8-)

I am of the view that a table playing uphill/downhill is not of as much consequence as other factors, as it should be detectable and a good player should be able to adjust their game to suit.

Less forgivable are:
1. A pronounced roll to the left or right.
2. A 'slow' cloth which hasn't seen a brush or iron.
3. Cushions with no bounce.

Being allowed the balls in the tray before the match (a courtesy which I always offer the opposing captain) will detect a violation in connection with 1) which is the sole basis on which the away team can refuse to play.

There is nothing worse, IMHO, than losing a sizeable break through being caught out by a vicious roll and missing the ball completely.

[bobhall]

some tables wil have a slight role due to the slate and that cant change with out affecting whole table hurst has a role but is still one of the best tables in the league for the past 4 years

Top with a cracked slate not acceptable, should go back to table hirer for correction (fitting of a brace and packing pieces underneath the slate).

Other parts of essential table maintenance, as Sparky will tell you, are ensuring the pockets and balls are clean, and that the D is flat and presentable. You don't want the ball to move just as you are about to hit it. ;)

[bigjimsilverfox]

Some tables have a roaring fire next to them! Some are positioned next to drafty doors and windows, all these can effect the performance of the table!

Ok here's a provisional Tables table for Week 7:

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex)

1 Hurst Club                           (6200 from Steve King)
2 Brewers                               (Dilly 8550, Boball 5010)
3 Laughing Fish
4 Watermill                          (Kim 7k, H 5.5k)
5 Mill House                                   (no-one hit 5k)
6 Eight Bells
7 Plough P/G
8 Woolpack
9 Greyhound                                  (no-one hit 4k)
10 United Services                 (Bravo 5950)            
11 Plough L/B                                 (comments on it being uphill and rolling badly)
12 Horns Lodge
13 St Francis

The one report yet to come in - from the Woolpack - could drop it below the USC if it proved to be a dog!
* And of course the Mill House have a chance next week to grab back 4th place when the postponed fixture is fulfilled.
*postscript.......there was a 5k tonight and another 'near miss' but the break was difficult, so the status quo is maintained.       - tommo 03/11/2010

[doug1502]

When I said that the Plough LB table was difficult, in no way did I ever intend this to be a criticism, merely an observation.   It is an extremely challenging table with only 1 score over 5k which was compiled in several breaks.   It was also made via a significant amount of table time.

Personally, I do not mind difficult tables, it makes a change from the (rather boring) 3 down, 1 up split tables.   However, there come a point when a  difficult table ceases to become an advantage to the home side and turns into a detriment.   I do not think that it is a coincidence that (probably) the most difficult table in the Worthing league has the home side languishing at the bottom of the league and it looks like a similar story in Mid Sussex.

I would urge all home side skippers to ensure that their tables are as good as they want to make them and if they need help then a committee member should assist., otherwise, I do not believe that the committee should get involved.

In the end, we had a great night at the Plough, were a bit lucky to come away with the win, but it might have been a different story had the table played better.

[bobhall]

the table at the plough is very inconsistant and the table will always be that way i believe i have now learnt to adjust to the table and i realise if i play bad enough on that top and what ever i have learnt ignore it i will probably play well

The point about the Plough table, which is incidentally owned by the Landlord and not rented from Tarratt, is that it can start off with 'nothing wrong with it' and then atmospheric conditions can have a bearing. Recently we have heard the public bar with its roaring fire described as 'a sauna'.

There used to be a similar case at the George & Dragon, where there was a heater one side of it, and - when the heater had been on surprise, surprise, one side of the table played fast and the other side slow.

I have even known the Mill House table 'change' in the course of an evening - when some herbert has gone out for a smoke and flung the double doors to the garden wide open.

There is not really much the Committee can do about such conditions, and as Doug intimates, they should not be expected to get involved.  

Table Ladder (Mid Sussex) following Team Cup matches

1 Hurst Club
2 Brewers
3 Watermill
4 Laughing Fish
5 Eight Bells
6 Mill House
7 Woolpack
8 Plough P/G
9 Greyhound            
10 Plough L/B
11 United Services
12 St Francis
13 Horns Lodge

Kim Stenning's 5990 at the Hurst and three scores of 5k+ by the Zeds at the Brewers keeps these two tables at the top.
One good score on each side (Paul Jobbins 6760 and Adam Bateup 8640) lifts the Eight Bells table one rung on the ladder: Bells player Doug Mahy did the Woolpack a favour there with a 5430 break and 9050 score.
St Francis are lifted off the bottom as Brewers Arms clicked into gear, with 6060 from Dilly Williamson and 5630 from Trevor Greenyer.
United Services move down a place with teams still struggling with the table in its new location, but Greyhound despite only three scores above 2k the whole evening earned a reprieve as the Plough L/B did not stage a match and cannot rise more than one rung as a consequence.
Finally. 5650 from H was sufficient to lift the Watermill table one place above his own table the Laughing Fish. Serves him right ! ;D

[H]

Nov 14, 2010 14:14:35 GMT tommo III said:

5650 from H was sufficient to lift the Watermill table one place above his own table the Laughing Fish. Serves him right !

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You can't be serious!!! XD

[bobhall]

H mate you can hit 19k on urs but 5650 on watermill lol thats funny mate but ur table is way better than theres so dont worry