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Post by joiner88 on Jun 15, 2019 19:23:49 GMT
I can’t believe it was over four years since I put this project on hold!. Anyway I have now found the perfect home for this table, and have today installed it into the “”Sea Trout Inn” Staverton, Devon, TQ9 6PA. I notice from the “Tables in Devon” thread that there has been a table here before. The pub has been closed for some months and I understand there has not been a table for some years. The Trout is due to reopen at the end of July. Having 11 en-suite bedroom it is a very picturesque place to stay, being right next to a heritage steam railway and the river a Dart.
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Post by joiner88 on Nov 24, 2017 21:07:21 GMT
Well done Tommo, or should that be Clouseau. Bet he wants £2000 plus if you buy from his shop
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Post by joiner88 on Nov 9, 2017 20:43:45 GMT
But gentlemen it full of "historic history" so must be worth every penny
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 31, 2016 8:39:27 GMT
Hi Matt No problem, can send drawings in PDF, DWG(best for scale. let me know your email and I will fire them off to you.
I can also post full size drawings to you for a tenner, with lots of work in process photos.
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Post by joiner88 on Feb 22, 2016 15:45:25 GMT
Thanks for the PM Chris, will send tomorrow. At the moment I have only produced rough samples in sapele and idigbo as they are a bit softer to work with. Once I know the thread is ok I will produce some sockets in a closer grained wood, maybe Beech or even Ash might work, (got loads of Ash to hand) to get a nice smooth finish. Not sure I can justify the expense of the German kit.
Let me know how the samples look
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Post by joiner88 on Feb 21, 2016 21:41:35 GMT
Hi Chris I have made a tool to cut the 4 x 1 1/4 female and male thread, and have made some samples. Unfortunately my Jelkes table is set up in my local so I cant test the fit. Can I send you a sample of each to test ? Could get them in the post Tuesday. Regards Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Aug 3, 2015 20:25:58 GMT
There seem to be a lots of tables for sale on ebay at the moment. Prices seem a bit steep though.
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Post by joiner88 on May 31, 2015 9:01:52 GMT
Will be watching this one with interest, beautiful work
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Post by joiner88 on Dec 15, 2014 21:59:36 GMT
I was wondering how the project was getting on? still looks superb to me! Hi Sav Project almost finished, but on hold at the moment as I have been inundated with "real" work. Many thanks for your advise on drilling the slate; it went perfectly and pocket rings went in a treat. I will get a photo of the (nearly) finished project up over the holiday. I am currently trying to get some numbers manufactured to (almost) match the originals
What may be of interest to you is that I am making a jig to cut 1 1/4 x 4 threads in beech, both male and female. I have almost perfected the male part, and hope that I can supply you with a sample to test in one of your tables, as my original table is set up in my local.
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Post by joiner88 on Nov 13, 2014 19:27:38 GMT
Funny you should mention this- I did pretty much the same thing on a pair of Jelkes cushions, glued the wooden strip in the same ends. Thinks its called "directional dyslexia"
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 17, 2014 19:30:28 GMT
Thank you Bobhall and Tommo for your response re "31s". I will work on the lads on Saturday night to give it a go. Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 15, 2014 16:51:22 GMT
We can survive for aslong as we keep drumming up business and keep pubs involved get them to show an interest As we'll if a landlord doesn't care then the table will soon go. Once the game is learned its a great game you can make it interesting for newbies with handicap system also play 31's so they get used to shots angles and also if they beat you you see a huge smile on there face As someone who is trying to build interest in the game in my local. Can you explain the "31's" (through Pm if you like), also is there a formula for working out handicaps. We have some Improving players, and it would be good to introduce some way to improve competition. We also have a lot of younger regulars who are put off because they struggle to make big breaks, and tend to lose interest fairly quickly. (Xbox generation) Thanks Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 3, 2014 20:11:33 GMT
Thanks for the response Tommo. Perhaps I am being a bit picky, and maybe the prices are firming up. There appears to be little difference in price between a really nice table and a shabby specimen. Still at least my Jelkes in our local should hold its value. Out of interest what do you think my Jelkes copy would be worth (once I've got the score numbers finished. Regards Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 2, 2014 20:13:17 GMT
Pre-war (round-legged) Jelkes from Chippenham, Wilts. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-Table-Jelkes-/171429628951Looks is if it has been "SAMS-ised" at some stage judging by the backboard. Vendor does not seem to be expecting the earth, and a nice 4-lane scoreboard thrown in. The front tray appears to have been changed at some stage (it seems to jut out a lot) but even so I like this one a lot. Went for £412-28 after 15 bids.Do you think that was good value Tommo? I have been on the look out for a pre war Jelkes. A little bit too steep for me; considering it needed complete restoration??? But if you take into account - good slate - working timer (although the coin stop appears to be missing) - and the leg threads were in good condition- and all woodwork looked sound (even if not in the right place) Against New cushions, recover, replace missing hole ring, re-line ball runs, and complete strip-stain-varnish. Probably on the edge of a good buy.
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Post by joiner88 on Aug 26, 2014 20:31:09 GMT
I'll hand turn a set from Black Walnut and Ash for half that Lol
Bet they want postage on top of £60
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Post by joiner88 on Aug 26, 2014 20:12:26 GMT
I can confirm that The White Horse, Bradford-On-Tone, TA4 1HF no longer have a table. This was my table and was removed when the pub closed for a short time and was subsequently sold. Now sadly a bit more of a Bistro bar.
The table was relocated to The Blackbird and has now been replaced by my recently refurbished Jelkes, and is now much used on Saturday and Sunday evenings
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Post by joiner88 on Jun 22, 2014 15:23:42 GMT
Apart from the rushed (for photos I assume) assembly cock up. Something looks very odd with the hole liners??
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Post by joiner88 on Jun 7, 2014 20:55:19 GMT
1 South Korea / Japan (2002) 4 Brazil 5 Ron greenwood 17. 32 teams 20. Uraguay (first hosts 1930)
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Post by joiner88 on May 31, 2014 20:20:30 GMT
A mention on Fighting talk on Radio 5 Live this morning. Boxing commentator John Rawling has apparently got a "1930s table in his home" and fancies himself as a pretty good player. Available on BBC radio iplayer at 52 mins.
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Post by joiner88 on Apr 23, 2014 20:14:41 GMT
Good question, Carl...... I have tried googling the suppliers/authorities on such matters (Mercury Leisure, James Masters, Peradon etc) but all they say is 'hardwood' or 'painted wood'. Therein lies the advantage: there is no hard or fast rule - so long as you don't make 'em out of balsa wood: you don't want 'em falling over too easily! I'd avoid mahogany but try oak or ash. If you do a good enough job, you could keep the white pair in their natural state, and only need to paint one black and one red. good evening guys, sorry to butt in, but just love any discussion involving wood. You will need a very close grained wood for the skittles, by far the most popular being beech. This will withstand the wear involved in the friction joint of the shaft to the head. you could also use Cherry, or boxwood (if you can find any). I think ash or oak will be a bit open grained, but could possibly work. Its a shame you are so far away Clive as I have loads of off cuts of various timbers you could practice your turning on. Looking forward to seeing your results, I will have a go myself soon, as the Jelkes copy is almost finished. Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Apr 2, 2014 19:52:14 GMT
Managed a few hours on Sunday to get the bar sorted out
Hinges are 25 x 1.5mm steel bent to shape, the pivots in the oak bar are 4mm steel rod drilled out and epoxy glued in the edge strengthener is 10 x 6mm aluminium channel (all from Wickes) A bit of up and down adjustment and now works perfectly.
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Post by joiner88 on Apr 1, 2014 12:01:29 GMT
Thanks for posting the skittles info Clive. I will definitely have a go at making a set of these, even if is only for a bit of variety at the pub on Saturday nights.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 28, 2014 20:21:41 GMT
Very nice skittles, the colours reminiscent of high-quality chess pieces. Should you ever decide to turn out a set of mushrooms, and don't have a line sample, let me know and I will take a photo of one taken apart (the two pieces snugfit together) and post it on here adding the dimensions. Thanks again Clive for your feedback. I would be very interested in the mushrooms, some pics and dims would be great.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 28, 2014 16:15:04 GMT
You may find a niggly little problem comes right at the end when you wish to label up the pockets......the only sets of markers for the pockets that I can find - again Mercury Leisure - have one too many 10 markers and one two few 30 hole markers - obviously designed with 4-Pin in mind. Mushrooms (£44 a set of four) and Pegs (£60 a set of three) are now at an extortionate price and I would imagine you will wish to turn out your own sets of these: same with scoreboards, although the markers for these come as part of the pocket marker set: Hi Clive I have got a set of those numbers and they are not that impressive, but I have a man working on replicating the jelkes ones by etching black numbers into white plastic.
I have made several sets of skittles, these are the latest. American black walnut and American white ash.
I have bought brass rails and pointers for the scoreboard, I have had them some time but will try to find out who I got them from. Also got some quite nice gold coloured numbers.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 19:57:50 GMT
Have a look at www.mercuryleisure.co.uk/barbilliards#refurbishing where there two sets of rings listed at 65mm and 63mm. The 63mm ones are "new design" and may be our more traditional ones. They are the right diameter as opposed to the fast drop ones. May be worth asking for a photo.... Tony Thanks Tony
I will get in touch with them
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 19:55:48 GMT
It all looks wonderfully impressive. It will be very interesting, once completed, to get an idea of total build cost because I suspect the average eBay £750 - £1000 will be well below the cost to make. Although maybe, once processes are refined a little and, you could be knocking them out weekly!! Hi Elsie The main cost would be the slate and timer. If I could produce them in batches of 10 I reckon they would be around £2000 - £2200 with not much profit. This was very much a "hobby" exercise for me. As I wanted to see if I could improve on the original. The main problem (as Sav knows too well) is that the corner joints are a major weakness due to a large part of the tenons having to be cut away to accommodate the female thread blocks.
Which, when the table is dragged or pushed around splits the cheeks of the corner blocks
The animal based resin glue also breaks down over time.
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 18:33:54 GMT
With That I am very impressed!
How did you manage the leg joints please?
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20mm nut in a very tight mortice and the covered with a matching timber plug.
Thread bar drilled 150mm into leg, grooves cut with angle grinder along thread bar, then epoxy resin into leg. Had them pull tested to over 1.5 tons.
Leg adjusters are 16mm thread bar welded into 50mm x 6mm disc and 8mm thick socket recessed into bottom of leg
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 27, 2014 18:15:06 GMT
Joiner is in the process of manufacturing a modern-day Jelkes replica, Ian. Bottom picture is his "line sample" model, and the top picture shows his progress so far. Looks like the frame, rack and legs are complete and timer added. Still to do I would imagine are the channels, dropping bar, drilling of slate and covering with cloth. This will be the first table in over 50 years to be made to a Jelkes specification ! The ball channels are in there Tommo, I am currently contemplating which way to go with the slate. I have a pool table slate which is 18mm thick and very heavy, I would like to use this as it would make a better surface than the original 12mm, but would probably need lifting assisters? I do have a 12mm snooker slate so may opt to go original. I am in the process of making the bar hinges again trying to replicate the originals. If anyone has any pocket rings knocking about I would be very interested, the modern white ones are rubbish. More pics soon Brian
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 26, 2014 20:32:54 GMT
A sneak preview of something I have been working on for some time,
Copied from this one I have just rebuilt
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 14, 2014 16:31:20 GMT
Just up the road from me Tommo, but as you said well over priced without the timer. Also in his answer he gives the "leg size" as though the legs don't unscrew. Caveat Emptor applies.
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