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Post by peetee on Apr 2, 2012 18:08:45 GMT
Hi Everyone I have decided to start a proposal thread so please feel free to post. Don't forget a proposer and a seconder are required.
Would you like to change the league format for next year? what about competitions?.
I will accept any proposals on this thread as formal.. to be discussed at the AGM.
Cheers Pete
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Post by craig mace on Apr 4, 2012 19:04:59 GMT
I must say i have never done this and i'm a pretty relaxed guy but i would like the format of the league looked at and i'm sure some others will as well i think that its too on and off 2 or 3 weeks of games then a week or 2 of competitions it would be better if there where more games in a row then a big chunk of competitions.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 4, 2012 21:59:20 GMT
I would like to second mr mace
i think it is a bit stop/start and from my point of view consistency is the way forward
also i have a suggestion regarding the loominpossibility of teams folding and players losing interest.
What about changing the format to summer league rules to potentially create more teams and getting any young players picking up a cue for the first time to get some more game time. Thus we get more interest from young players because they can play each other rather than get stuffed by an established player ubder the current league and match format.
Let me know if you all think this is a shocking idea and not worth even thinking about folks :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:22:14 GMT
How would this 'create more teams' ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:34:23 GMT
How about keep the same leagues but everyone plays eachother home and away? Whos gonna second that?
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 4, 2012 22:47:25 GMT
How would this 'create more teams' ? Because you could have two teams at places like berinsfield as a particular example with a couple of young players or the dolphin and so on. Plus extra teams at the glads or masons as an example of teams with an A/B team. Then you get bigger leagues and more intetesting ends to the season in an ideal world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 22:58:38 GMT
So your saying the oxford league should be 3 a-side?
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Post by craig mace on Apr 5, 2012 4:49:30 GMT
I would like to second mr mace i think it is a bit stop/start and from my point of view consistency is the way forward also i have a suggestion regarding the loominpossibility of teams folding and players losing interest. What about changing the format to summer league rules to potentially create more teams and getting any young players picking up a cue for the first time to get some more game time. Thus we get more interest from young players because they can play each other rather than get stuffed by an established player ubder the current league and match format. Let me know if you all think this is a shocking idea and not worth even thinking about folks :-) i think this has been spoken about before and personally i think its a good idea it will create more teams and allow more games over a season
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 5, 2012 5:12:43 GMT
So your saying the oxford league should be 3 a-side? i am indeed, just seems massively beneficial to me to help young players through in this fashion. And like craig says to create more games.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 5, 2012 12:40:28 GMT
I would like to second mr mace i think it is a bit stop/start and from my point of view consistency is the way forward also i have a suggestion regarding the loominpossibility of teams folding and players losing interest. What about changing the format to summer league rules to potentially create more teams and getting any young players picking up a cue for the first time to get some more game time. Thus we get more interest from young players because they can play each other rather than get stuffed by an established player ubder the current league and match format. Let me know if you all think this is a shocking idea and not worth even thinking about folks :-) i think this has been spoken about before and personally i think its a good idea it will create more teams and allow more games over a season can i assume that my proposal has been seconded? ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 15:46:04 GMT
Sorry Phil still can't quite get my head round how there can be more teams. Look at the masons A and B, They can get 5 players for a game so are you saying they should lose two players each? where they gonna play if your rule comes in? Also same with the Glads A and B. If anything your gonna lose players
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 15:52:58 GMT
How would this 'create more teams' ? Because you could have two teams at places like berinsfield as a particular example with a couple of young players or the dolphin and so on. Plus extra teams at the glads or masons as an example of teams with an A/B team. Then you get bigger leagues and more intetesting ends to the season in an ideal world. Also the last time i went to the Masons or Gladiators there was only one table so i'll like to see how you'll get more teams than an A and B :D
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Post by craig mace on Apr 5, 2012 16:04:17 GMT
Sorry Phil still can't quite get my head round how there can be more teams. Look at the masons A and B, They can get 5 players for a game so are you saying they should lose two players each? where they gonna play if your rule comes in? Also same with the Glads A and B. If anything your gonna lose players If both teams loos 2 players you can have a masons C and with more teams your can have a couple extra leagues so you can try fix the fixtures in a way that teams wont clash i know it will be hard but it surly can be done
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 16:08:51 GMT
Then we'll still be going 3 weeks without a game.
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Post by milhouse on Apr 5, 2012 16:09:51 GMT
Let me jump in here to settle something to save this dragging on!
You cannot have more than 2 teams per table, this cannot be changed.
What can happen, if you have 2 teams at a venue with 5 players each, you could make at least 3 teams (with reserves) out of those teams and one or more of those teams could find another venue.
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Post by craig mace on Apr 5, 2012 16:13:27 GMT
Let me jump in here to settle something to save this dragging on! You cannot have more than 2 teams per table, this cannot be changed. What can happen, if you have 2 teams at a venue with 5 players each, you could make at least 3 teams (with reserves) out of those teams and one or more of those teams could find another venue. Or this way could work :P :D
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Post by peetee on Apr 5, 2012 16:15:37 GMT
Let me jump in here to settle something to save this dragging on! You cannot have more than 2 teams per table, this cannot be changed. What can happen, if you have 2 teams at a venue with 5 players each, you could make at least 3 teams (with reserves) out of those teams and one or more of those teams could find another venue. Beat me to it Mark I agree with your comments. Pete
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Post by Ian Gordon on Apr 5, 2012 16:18:43 GMT
And I was in the middle of writing something along those lines as well
But as Mark says
Also I feel going down to 3 a side is too much of a drastic action to take.
Phil, think about entering a team into the Eynsham league (Tuesdays) but you won't be able to play from Berinsfield.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 16:24:53 GMT
So what is the actual proposal then?
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Post by peetee on Apr 5, 2012 16:34:42 GMT
Thanks all for your comments so far.
The Oxford Association are in a good position to still run a 5 a side team or even a four a side team with two pairs matches,(6 games)? 3-a-side league I'm sure is a 99% no go...I'll change that to 100% ;D
Here is a list of players signed on this season..just for information Vikings A 7 players Kennington 7 Didcot CC 7 Masons A 7 Masons B 7 Democrats 7 Comrades 7 Marlborough 6 Glad's A 7 Berinsfield 8 HCC 5 Glad's B 6 Dolphin 6 Vikings B 7 I know a couple of teams struggled to make five due to holidays, night shift and illness this is why we brought in the 4 player rule to help teams out.
3-a-side league..no Pete Ewins ;)
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 16:36:42 GMT
Thanks all for your comments so far. The Oxford Association are in a good position to still run a 5 a side team or even a four a side team with two pairs matches,(6 games)? 3-a-side league I'm sure is a 99% no go...I'll change that to 100% ;DHere is a list of players signed on this season..just for information Vikings A 7 players Kennington 7 Didcot CC 7 Masons A 7 Masons B 7 Democrats 7 Comrades 7 Marlborough 6 Glad's A 7 Berinsfield 8 HCC 5 Glad's B 6 Dolphin 6 Vikings B 7 I know a couple of teams struggled to make five due to holidays and illness this is why we brought in the 4 player rule to help teams out. 3-a-side league..no Pete Ewins ;) Pete here here
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Post by milhouse on Apr 5, 2012 16:46:43 GMT
I will propose that the league goes to 4 a side with 2 pairs games. With no person having the break twice.
So for example
H1* v A1 H2 v A2* H3* v A3 H4 v A4*
H1 & H2* v A1 & A2 H3 & H4 v A3* & A4
* indicates breaker
If a team has more than 4 players, then they can put them in to any spot in the pairs game (if they have 6, they can change 2 players) Just to complete this, the 4 player rule would become obsolete and if a team does only have 3 players, then the their singles and pairs game are forfeit (unless you want to go down the road of playing a "pairs" game on your own?) Draw is still random.
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Post by peetee on Apr 5, 2012 16:58:42 GMT
I must say i have never done this and i'm a pretty relaxed guy but i would like the format of the league looked at and i'm sure some others will as well i think that its too on and off 2 or 3 weeks of games then a week or 2 of competitions it would be better if there where more games in a row then a big chunk of competitions. Craig & Phil Please put your proposal nice and clear on a new post so that other members can read and collect their thoughts for AGM The proposal.. Proposed by... Seconded by... Cheers Pete
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Post by Richard Stowe R.I.P. on Apr 5, 2012 17:36:15 GMT
I will propose that the league goes to 4 a side with 2 pairs games. With no person having the break twice. So for example H1* v A1 H2 v A2* H3* v A3 H4 v A4* H1 & H2* v A1 & A2 H3 & H4 v A3* & A4 * indicates breaker If a team has more than 4 players, then they can put them in to any spot in the pairs game (if they have 6, they can change 2 players) Just to complete this, the 4 player rule would become obsolete and if a team does only have 3 players, then the their singles and pairs game are forfeit (unless you want to go down the road of playing a "pairs" game on your own?) Draw is still random. I agree with this proposal 100%, this is something Dave Gordon and myself were going to put forward at the AGM, as it is becoming clear that teams are beginning to to have problems finding players, what with natural wastage and illness. I would rather change the format than loose teams, take the Gladiator club 'B' Phil is now to ill to play and my shoulder is forcing me to retire at the end of this season, which would mean without a change to the format, the Glads looses a team as they could only rely on four players for next season. The change could also mean that the Vikings 'B' could still play. That's a saving of two teams, worth it I would say.
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Post by peetee on Apr 5, 2012 17:41:49 GMT
I will propose that the league goes to 4 a side with 2 pairs games. With no person having the break twice. So for example H1* v A1 H2 v A2* H3* v A3 H4 v A4* H1 & H2* v A1 & A2 H3 & H4 v A3* & A4 * indicates breaker If a team has more than 4 players, then they can put them in to any spot in the pairs game (if they have 6, they can change 2 players) Just to complete this, the 4 player rule would become obsolete and if a team does only have 3 players, then the their singles and pairs game are forfeit (unless you want to go down the road of playing a "pairs" game on your own?) Draw is still random. 1st official proposal.seconded by Richard Stowe.
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Post by mossy on Apr 5, 2012 22:49:08 GMT
proposal 1
some players can only play on a thursday so is it time to state which comps will be on a play by date allowing players to choose which comps they enter.
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Post by mossy on Apr 5, 2012 22:55:55 GMT
proposal 2
there are teams in the lower sections that we dont get to play in the season. it would be nice to play these teams to . so make the season so we play everyone.the top teams could lose the breaks to the lower teams to give them a better chance home and away.that way you play more often as there will be more teams to play.it would also be nice to see these players more than just finals night.
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Post by milhouse on Apr 5, 2012 23:16:22 GMT
proposal 2 there are teams in the lower sections that we dont get to play in the season. it would be nice to play these teams to . so make the season so we play everyone.the top teams could lose the breaks to the lower teams to give them a better chance home and away.that way you play more often as there will be more teams to play.it would also be nice to see these players more than just finals night. It may be better for the top section players to play lower section players, but i doubt it is the same the other way around, even if the lower section players always get the break.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 23:58:38 GMT
proposal 2 there are teams in the lower sections that we dont get to play in the season. it would be nice to play these teams to . so make the season so we play everyone.the top teams could lose the breaks to the lower teams to give them a better chance home and away.that way you play more often as there will be more teams to play.it would also be nice to see these players more than just finals night. I'll second that
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 6, 2012 6:14:32 GMT
proposal 2 there are teams in the lower sections that we dont get to play in the season. it would be nice to play these teams to . so make the season so we play everyone.the top teams could lose the breaks to the lower teams to give them a better chance home and away.that way you play more often as there will be more teams to play.it would also be nice to see these players more than just finals night. To an extent i agree with this because we play that in the wallingford league, but im not so sure about going to a game knowing i could potentially get slaughtered, for me thats a bit de-moralizing and may well be for other lower league players. On the other hand it could make for a good game should some good lower league players start with the break.
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