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Post by Sir Chancelot on Nov 17, 2007 19:54:44 GMT
Bl**dy Hell
Russia just got beaten.
Well done Israel
Bad luck the Jocks.
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Post by NigelS on Nov 17, 2007 20:29:40 GMT
Bl**dy Hell Russia just got beaten. Well done Israel Bad luck the Jocks. Yeah lets just hpe they don't balls it up Wednesday now. The Scots were unlucky, but why do us English always have to feel sorry for them when they want us to lose more than anyonelse ??? |
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Post by Duncan Disorderly on Nov 17, 2007 21:26:00 GMT
Well I suppose everyone loves an underdog!
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Post by bigtj on Nov 17, 2007 21:39:44 GMT
And Croatia which means we could top the group if we put it together.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 17, 2007 22:17:24 GMT
And Croatia which means we could top the group if we put it together. We haven't even qualified yet!!! McClaren has a guardian angel! Mind you a nice boring 0 - 0 draw would suit both teams, or will the silly burgers attack and get caught and still go out? Sav. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2007 22:56:24 GMT
We should certainly celebrate someone doing us a favour as we had been drinking in the last chance saloon.
Our destiny is back in our own hands once again: Come on the bean pole next Wednesday when we play Croatia ! 8-)
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Post by CraigC on Nov 18, 2007 14:39:37 GMT
For once it will suit us if the other team decide to defend with 11 men at Wembley, for a nice, boring, stress-free 0-0 draw. Croatia will not want to go down by more than a goal either, and risk losing the kudos of topping the group.
Always thought Israel would be good enought to beat Russia (even without Yossi), just seemed easier to expect the worse.
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Post by Duncan Disorderly on Nov 18, 2007 15:07:54 GMT
Playing for a 0-0 would be extremely foolhardy McClaren is bound to stick with one of the suspect goalkeepers he seems to show so much faith in. An early goal would settle the nerves of both players and supporters we don't want to end up like the Jocks. I'm sure they"ll be hoping we fall flat on our faces!
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Post by TTO on Nov 18, 2007 15:44:16 GMT
Dunc i do hope your goal keeper dig is not aimed at the great David James!!!! ;D Have you not heard the chants, on second thoughts you probably can't hear them in YOUR league!!! ;D
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Post by Duncan Disorderly on Nov 20, 2007 20:38:21 GMT
Take it as read Suzie 2 stars!
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Post by TTO on Nov 20, 2007 20:53:41 GMT
??? ???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2007 18:59:13 GMT
Come on England !
Grab that lifeline that we've been thrown.
This night is made for heroes.
I seem to remember a match-winning free kick by Beckham four years ago against Greece.
I'm tipping Shaun Wright-Phillips to come from the subs bench and be the saviour of the nation this time around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2007 23:17:47 GMT
Oh 'eck. >:(
Thought Crouchy was our much-needed hero until that last sucker punch.
At the end of the day it was our defence that was found wanting.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Nov 21, 2007 23:38:52 GMT
Oh 'eck. >:( Thought Crouchy was our much-needed hero until that last sucker punch. At the end of the day it was our defence that was found wanting. Started this thread off with the phrase "England shock" Will put it to bed with the phrase "England shocker" 99 caps - change (all) hands (on deck !) |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 22, 2007 9:24:49 GMT
Can't see what good it will do if they sack Maclaren.
There are now significantly more overseas players than English players in the premiership.
Until the number of overseas players in the premiership is limited, any manager will only have a handful of players with top level experience to pick from.
Sav.
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Post by milhouse on Nov 22, 2007 9:35:17 GMT
McClaren was a bad choice in the first place and it proved last night that he was just like Eriksson. Playing the best players and then trying to find a formation to fit them all in, rather than picking a formation and playing the best players IN FORM in each position.
The debate about too many foreigners playing in the Premiership is a load of crap - if the English players are good enough they will get in the teams.
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Post by NigelS on Nov 22, 2007 9:47:37 GMT
McClaren was a bad choice in the first place and it proved last night that he was just like Eriksson. Playing the best players and then trying to find a formation to fit them all in, rather than picking a formation and playing the best players IN FORM in each position. The debate about too many foreigners playing in the Premiership is a load of crap - if the English players are good enough they will get in the teams. I agree that McLaren was a poor choice, he never really did anything special before getting the job, and the FA made a mess of trying to get Scolari. However we do have to many foreigners in the Premiership and it is stopping our younger players coming through. Yes the very top ones come through but we now have no depth to our England squad, a couple of injuries and we are really struggling as proved when we lost Owen, Rooney and Terry last night. We have also really struggled to find a keeper since Seaman and that really has affected us a lot. I remember when teams just didn’t score against us at Wembley to let 3 in last night was shocking. Just look at Italy, World Champions and where does their World Cup wining team all play? …..Italy. Anyway lets get Mourinho in before he gets another job! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2007 10:32:59 GMT
The FA made their own bed to lie in when they committed to paying a procession of England managers (with doubtful credentials) millions of pounds in salaries. A gamble which has sadly failed.
This money would have been better spent at the grass roots level of the game.
As a consequence, a shortage in young English talent. The likes of Rooney being the all-too-rare exception.
Agree, Mourinho should now be appointed at whatever cost, as failing to qualify for the 2010 World Cup would really be a national disaster.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 22, 2007 11:45:21 GMT
The debate about too many foreigners playing in the Premiership is a load of crap - if the English players are good enough they will get in the teams. Cheers Mark, glad you value my opinion. Sav. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2007 12:24:26 GMT
McClaren was a bad choice in the first place and it proved last night that he was just like Eriksson. Playing the best players and then trying to find a formation to fit them all in, rather than picking a formation and playing the best players IN FORM in each position. A pity, Mark, because your above statement was very valid and to the point, and then you ruined it with the rash comment at the end. |
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Post by davemay on Nov 22, 2007 15:51:53 GMT
Holidays all round for the England players next summer.
Yes Steve Maclaren should take the blame for that shambles that passed for a football match, but to analyse the team from back to front shows where the errors were made.
Goalkeeper.....if Robinson was lacking in confidence and form why the hell pick someone who has no international experience, except for a meaningless friendly against Austria last week. David James should have been in goal.
Defence.......... Had David James, or Paul Robinson been in goal. the defence would have been more confident, and probably not conceded either of the first 2 goals.
Midfield........ Total Rubbish, and last night proved beyond any doubt that gerrard, and Lampard cannot play in the same team with that formation. Wright Phillips tried, but lacked the nous to know what to do when near goal. At least when Beckham arrived, we put in some decent crosses, only for no-one to benifit from Crouch's flicks.
Attack...........Non existant due to the formation being played. Crouch is to slow to be up on his own, and with nobody taking the chances to run past him to get onto the flick-ons, we had NO CHANCE.
In summary, lets change the system, the formation, and the way that we select and play our team.
Bring on a coach/manager, call him/her what you like, that understands the needs of a national side, and can deliver.
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Post by TTO on Nov 22, 2007 16:14:42 GMT
Agree with you that David James would have been a much better choice!!!
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Post by milhouse on Nov 22, 2007 16:21:57 GMT
The debate about too many foreigners playing in the Premiership is a load of crap - if the English players are good enough they will get in the teams. Cheers Mark, glad you value my opinion. Sav. Sorry Sav, wasn't meant to be personal! I have the same debate in my local and at work all the time. My opinion is that its better to have the choice of 70 decent players than 200 average players. |
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Post by milhouse on Nov 22, 2007 16:24:17 GMT
Agree with you that David James would have been a much better choice!!! Sorry, would have to disagree. As Davemay mentioned, we needed a goalkeeper we could rely on - would you want to reply on calamity james ? Carson has been in great form this season and deserved his chance. One thing noone has mentioned is the awful state of the pitch - that was a disgrace! |
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Post by NigelS on Nov 22, 2007 16:43:29 GMT
Amazing that now a lot of people are saying MacLaren should have played David James.
David James, Paul Robinson and Carson, I didn;t envy MacLaren having to choose between those 3.
As I said earlier, and Dave May emphasised the point, our lack of a confident keeper has ruined the confidence of our defence. I remember how much faith we had in Shilton and how we so rarely conceded goals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2007 17:28:08 GMT
I don't see why so many people seem to be shocked at England getting knocked out.
Quite often it seems that England get to the end of a qualifying stage of a competition and need desperately to win the last game or rely on other teams to win/lose (or both) so that they can move on.
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Post by bigtj on Nov 22, 2007 17:44:40 GMT
At least those at the helm have gone and prehaps we can appoint somebody with vision and the balls to play a team to build for the future. I do think we need to nurture home grown talent, but feel if they are good enough they will be selected to play for the top premiere sides. It`s strange we have to play people that cannot make their own club teams on a regular basis.
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Post by Lord Cheeky on Nov 22, 2007 18:38:42 GMT
IMHO it will not matter who England get as the next manager, we will never get anywhere or win anything as we are just an average team with average players with Delusions of Granduer.
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Post by CraigC on Nov 22, 2007 18:45:05 GMT
England ultimately failed because of a number of poor decisions made throughout the campaign by McClaren, and he was rightly sacked. That is not simply looking for someone to blame, but just analysis of the facts. Off the top of my head, changing the formation radically for the away match in Croatia, and choosing Wes Brown over Jamie Carragher for the away match in Estonia, forcing Carragher's international retirement (how England needed another experienced defender last night). How about playing the injury-prone Michael Owen for a pointless friendly on a freezing night in Vienna last Friday?
Even last night, choosing - of all times - to pick the inexperienced Scott Carson behind an inexperienced defence for such a crucial match. Surely, that was not the time for change, and Carson - a good keeper - may never recover at international level. Even right at the death, once England had equalised, Hargreaves should immediately been brought on (having foolishly sacrificed Barry at half time) in order to break up Croatia's attacking passing.
As for 4-5-1, that goes alongside England 0 N.Ireland 1 and England 0 Portugal 0 as an example of how England players react to that. A holding formation for a 0-0 draw, but why wasn't it abandoned as soon as Croatia were 2-0 up?
So at the end, England have a summer off, but at least if the FA make the right choice it is to give a greater chance of qualifying for South Africa 2010.
As far as foreign players in the Premier, that will become even more of an issue in the future in key positions for out national team, and has to be addressed.
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Post by Duncan Disorderly on Nov 22, 2007 19:38:53 GMT
Throwing Scott Carson in at the deep end like that was a big mistake David James would have been the better choice but why does he (McClaren) continue to overlook Rob Green? Defence:- Sol Campbell & Wayne Bridge don't have the pace they used to, Richards is ok but Lescott no way, he is not the right choice at this level, midfield:- can't say anything that hasn't already been said, Forwards:- Crouch there is not another striker in the country that could have taken that goal as well as he did, should definatly be a regular alongside Roony or Owen.
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