AEBBA Over 50's/60's and Under 25's 2016

[Chris]

AEBBA over 50's/60's and under 25's to be played at Didcot Conservative Club on Sunday 30th October.

11.00am registration for 11.30am start.


It would be helpful if players could indicate if they do intend to enter these competitions to give some idea of the number of entries for Dave and Nigel.

Thank you


Over 50's

1.Pauline Withey
2.Jenny Florey
3.Dave Alder
4.Sean Stratford
5.Ernie Jordan
6.Cliff Slade
7.Dawn Jordan
8.Bob Allsworth
9.Alan Lacey
10.Tony Martin
11.Brian Dawkins
12.Fitz
13.Dave Lawton
14.Geoff Pitt
15.Andy Burns
16.Janet Burns
17.Terry Alder
18.Dave Tooke
21. Chris Saville




Over 60's

Pauline Withey
Jenny Florey
Ernie Jordan
Cliff Slade
Bob Allsworth
Alan Lacey
Tony Martin
Brian Dawkins
Fitz
Geoff Pitt
Terry Alder
19.Phil Hawkins
20.Myra Hawkins
Chris Saville




Under 25's

Lewis Sratford
Kyle Ingram

[Coleman Jnr]

Aug 11, 2016 13:06:00 GMT Chris said:

AEBBA over 50's/60's and under 25's to be played at Didcot Conservative Club on Sunday 30th October.

11.00am registration for 11.30am start.


It would be helpful if players could indicate if they do intend to enter these competitions to give some idea of the number of entries for Dave and Nigel.

Thank you

I am able to enter providing we change it to an Under 27's.......

[barbelman]

Sept 1, 2016 12:56:46 GMT Coleman Jnr said:

Aug 11, 2016 13:06:00 GMT Chris said:

AEBBA over 50's/60's and under 25's to be played at Didcot Conservative Club on Sunday 30th October.

11.00am registration for 11.30am start.


It would be helpful if players could indicate if they do intend to enter these competitions to give some idea of the number of entries for Dave and Nigel.

Thank you

I am able to enter providing we change it to an Under 27's.......

I am also able to enter providing we change it to an Under 67's......

[Chris]

Oh well Tony, guess you and I both know that we can't - but hey those were the days - wish we were back there for some reasons

[daveuk1]

As it looks like you've got no entries yet I might consider entering if you make it under 57's it could be my chance to actually at least come close to winning my first ever leg of three pin

[Chris]

Hi Dave

I would not go against some of our great under 25's .. so maybe more 3 pin practice first !!

[daveuk1]

Hmmmm, it's a little hard to practice 3 pin on a narrow top

[Auntie Pauline]

Please enter :- Pauline Withey & Jenny Florey to the Over 50's & Over 60's list. Thank you xx

[Chris]

Really not looking good for this event

[kjingram]

Please enter me for the under 25's :)
Thanks
Kyle

[bigtj]

Unfortunately there are Sussex Inter league games on he evening of this event so may deter some Susses entries as they would have a long day and a rush back for inter league and under the new rules for this games ae played as drawn so most would want to be there for the start of the evening.

[jordans]

Please could you enter:-

Ernie Jordan - over 50's & 60's
Cliff Slade - over 50's & 60's
Dawn Jordan - over 50's

There maybe a couple more yet as well :)

[jordans]

Tony has put the same for the Alternative Rules competition and there were quite a few from Sussex entered that last year?

[JB]

Is it possible to put the comments about Sussex Inter-League rule change into Sussex somewhere. Its not really anything to do with this thread in AEBBA

[Chris_Sav]

Sept 21, 2016 10:30:56 GMT JB said:

Is it possible to put the comments about Sussex Inter-League rule change into Sussex somewhere. Its not really anything to do with this thread in AEBBA

Will do -

[edit] Have moved those which appear to be solely relevant to Sussex. Hope this is OK JB

[fitz]

Can you put me down for the over 50s and 60s.
Thanks

[Auntie Pauline]

Can you please add Bob Allsworth & Allan Lacey to both the Over 50's & Over 60's, thank you xx

[Auntie Pauline]

Can you please add Colin Martin & Brian Dawkins to both the Over 50's & Over 60's, thank you xx

[milhouse]

Oct 10, 2016 17:33:56 GMT Auntie Pauline said:

Can you please add Colin Martin & Brian Dawkins to both the Over 50's & Over 60's, thank you xx

Wow, didn't think Colin Martin was over 60 !

[Auntie Pauline]

Oct 10, 2016 17:33:56 GMT Auntie Pauline said:

Can you please add Colin Martin & Brian Dawkins to both the Over 50's & Over 60's, thank you xx

Whoops!!!! Spot the mistake it should be Tony, sorry Colin x

[Chris]

Bet Colin loved that one

[lawtie]

David Lawton in the over 50s please.

[geoffpitt (R.I.P.)]

Put me in for both please.

Thanks,
Geoff.

[David.G]

Sept 21, 2016 6:16:54 GMT bigtj said:

Unfortunately there are Sussex Inter league games on he evening of this event so may deter some Susses entries as they would have a long day and a rush back for inter league and under the new rules for this games ae played as drawn so most would want to be there for the start of the evening.

I don't understand why so many inter-league matches clash with the AE events

I don't mean to stir up a hornets nest here, but it seams the AE events are being less supported than previous years

I know the travelling to Didcot has long been discussed and mused over ever since we lost the post office club, is this the reason.

I have tried to find a venue within the Reading area, without success, mainly due to the lack of storage facility.

The AE events need to be supported by everyone from All counties, if not, they will just dwindle into nothing.

[Martin Pellett]

I think some of the problem is to many events at the same venue and at the same time of the year, need to spread it out.

[BigPhilMac]

Only two under 25s? That's hugely concerning. Are the likes of Chris and Joe Oakley, Jack Baden etc playing the inter league?

[JB]

The Inter league was explained before. If you look under Sussex and tournaments conflicting you will see discussion about this
This is one part of the thread


The decision about dates for Inter League was taken after considerable discussion among members of the committee, with 10 matches to fit in for the competition it is impossible to only choose dates that do not clash with other competitions and still have an end date before the end of the season.

Unlike the Inter Area Competition, our games are given specific dates to be played although it is possible to re-arrange those dates with prior agreement from both teams, so teams do have the option to do that if players wish to enter the national competitions when the dates clash.

Please bear in mind that, in addition to the AEBBA competitions that run (almost) every weekend from the middle of September until the end of November, there is also the National Off-the-Spot, Jersey weekend, Christmas & New Year, Sussex Individual Competitions (early January), Redhill Team Inter League Competition (end of January), Oxford Open, Sussex One Day Inter League Competitions (end of February), Bournemouth Pairs etc to take into consideration. We also try to avoid having matches on consecutive weeks as teams and players always seem to struggle to fulfill those.

Sussex always try to support the County Opens / National Competitions and usually get more players to those than any other county, the Inter League dates were chosen to try to have the minimal impact on those based on the number of players likely to enter the national competitions.

My personal view is that if there is a shortage of numbers at the AEBBA events this year that is probably more down to the travelling distance to the venue for players within some of the southern counties and the fact that the competitions are clustered together which does put some players off entering them when it means that they would have long journeys several weeks running.....




I'm not sure why it's only Sussex players named as not going as Sussex are one of the Counties that try to support AEBBA and also the Open competitions

The inter league on this night has nothing to do with these players not going as if they wanted to the inter league game could be rearranged

Think it's more transport distance time expense

[BB Warrior]

I would agree entirely with the comments made by both Jean and Martin Pellett above.

Jean is Secretary of Sussex County Bar Billiards and Martin is the Chairman of Surrey County Bar Billiards, both of them are only saying things that they will have been told by players within the Leagues within their counties.... too far to travel for too many competitions in too short a space of time. I have lost count of how many times I have said the same here on the Forum about this subject and many other players from Sussex (and other southern counties) have also made similar comments.... but nothing changes.

To be honest, I am pretty unhappy that Sussex County now seems to be being "blamed" for a shortage of numbers for these competitions as the Inter League dates clash with TWO of the many AEBBA competitions.... when, during the past few years, Sussex normally provide more players than any other county for EVERY competition that is run throughout the country.

Even this year, Sussex will have entered TWO teams for the Open County Championships, TWO teams for the Ladies County Championships, representatives for both the Men's and Ladies Individual Singles, a team for the National team championships, two ladies for the Special Ladies and one player for the Alternative Rules....

Yes, I know that Sussex do normally have more players that enter the Special Ladies, Alternative Rules and Over 50's/60's/Under 25's.... but, the cost of travelling up to Didcot week after week does become a problem eventually (especially with Jersey coming up) and people simply do not want to spend 5+ hours travelling in a car 5 or 6 times going to the same place within the space of just over 2 months.

I do appreciate that Dave Alder has tried to find a more central venue without success and that storing the tables at Didcot means that it then becomes the logical place to hold the competitions.... but unless something changes, there won't be any competitions left to hold there as there won't be enough players to support them.

As Dave says, nothing ever changes.

I'm currently converting the Over-50s event files, 1991 to 2006 for Nigel for use on the AEBBA website. it is worth noting that in all those 16 years, despite a regular line-up of 32 players, no more than THREE from Sussex took part in any one year. There was however a profusion of players from Bucks, Oxon and especially Berks (who usually comprised half the total).

Is this because there had, till recently, never been any capable Sussex players of that age ? The event was staged first at HLRA Harwell, then at Royal Berks Hosp SC and then at the Post Office Club, Reading. I think the answer is therefore more likely to be to do with the travelling distance involved. Fine though for the players from the northern reaches as it was on their doorstep.

Attempts have been made to vilify first Surrey and now Sussex. I would now ask the question "apart from the AEBBA Sec, how many Berkshire players bother to enter the other counties' Opens ?"

For too long the bulk of the AEBBA-run competitions have been held on the north-western perimeter of the bar billiards world: All we're asking for is a switch more towards the centre. Before it's too late.

[JOZIL]

Oct 13, 2016 7:17:27 GMT BigPhilMac said:

Only two under 25s? That's hugely concerning. Are the likes of Chris and Joe Oakley, Jack Baden etc playing the inter league?

me and Chris will have inter leauge