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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 29, 2020 15:36:53 GMT
Under "How are we you managing Machines (including ATM’s)?"
in the link on my earlier post
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 17:52:28 GMT
Yeah, read that bit, Sav : ......but didn't see it as being the "exact opposite" to the guidelines of use of Pool table - some of which will have a large enough space around them to enable safe use.
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Post by little legs on Jun 29, 2020 18:33:33 GMT
"How are we you managing Machines (including ATM’s)? Our dedicated hygiene Team member has a scheduled set of cleaning tasks, including regular sanitisation of our machines. Where possible, the machines have been spaced out or closed where these cannot be safely used (for example pool tables)
It says closed when cannot be safely used , a bar billiard table tucked away in a corner could surely be safely used with common sense from players .
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Post by Chris on Jun 29, 2020 18:46:27 GMT
So could I ask what you see as common sense please.
Common sense is fine but it requires detailed explanation to ensure safety of all. Not at all having a go just asking for solutions.
I will willingly play if someone can show me how I will be safe.
Just played Bowls today and we are all safe.
Thanks Chris
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Post by little legs on Jun 29, 2020 18:59:27 GMT
Common sense , balls cleaned before the start of evening , players wash hands before game and keep a metre distance from other players , I am suggesting this for people who feel safe to play a friendly game in this way . Anyone who doesn't feel safe to play doesn't have to , and anyone feels that more procedures need to be put in place maybe able to sort .
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Post by Chris on Jun 29, 2020 19:11:32 GMT
Hi
I would look at bacta/UKH/BBPA
It is for pubs.
Ideas great Kev ...
Kev what if you have it and don't know ?
Just ensuring all fully informed
Chris
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Post by milhouse on Jun 29, 2020 19:12:05 GMT
So could I ask what you see as common sense please. Common sense is fine but it requires detailed explanation to ensure safety of all. Not at all having a go just asking for solutions. I will willingly play if someone can show me how I will be safe. Just played Bowls today and we are all safe. Thanks Chris My suggestions. 1 - Clean table at start of evening, including leatherette and front rail where some people play from. 2 - Clean balls/pegs at start of evening 3 - Players and scorers wash hands at start of game and neither of these to touch their drink while playing (Unless drink from a straw,so as not to touch anything) 4 - Social distancing is not a problem when actually playing and guidleines being in venue will be dictated by venue, so not an issue imo. 1&2 - if people prefer, these could be cleaned before each leg. What do people think?
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jun 29, 2020 19:30:23 GMT
Sadly, i think each venue will have different guidelines on distancing depending on its floor plan with bigger venues having a more relaxed distancing regime, currently having 10 people in an enclosed space with a high proportion over 70 still seems a bridge too far leagues. But the goalposts are changing regularly, probably some comps could take place but i expect plenty of the more senior members will not be available
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Post by little legs on Jun 29, 2020 19:32:01 GMT
Hi Chris
We both love the game and want it to continue as before eventually , but do the best we can until then . We've both worked throughout so are working with far more people than we are likely to get down our local , how do we know we've got it , had it ,immune or maybe just a carrier , until a vaccine is readily available ( could be years or ever) , we have to continue living our lives in the safest way we can .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 19:58:02 GMT
I found the BACTA guideline the most useful thing yet - for those of us who want to get a bit of casual play in during July. None of us are expecting to be able to have proper organised play until we move on from Level 3 - hopefully later in the month - when a further easing of restrictions will hopefully apply.
We are unlikely to receive guidelines for bar billiards per se from official sources, so here is where AEBBA could take a lead: how about they doctor up the BACTA sheet, substituting Bar Billiards for Pool where appropriate, and put their own signature to it ? We could then download a copy to display in our venues.
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Post by "Silent" on Jun 29, 2020 20:07:30 GMT
So could I ask what you see as common sense please. Common sense is fine but it requires detailed explanation to ensure safety of all. Not at all having a go just asking for solutions. I will willingly play if someone can show me how I will be safe. Just played Bowls today and we are all safe. Thanks Chris Hi Chris Glad to hear you are keeping well. How do you know "we are all safe" having played bowls today? Surely with the continuing uncertainty regarding the virus this is pretty much impossible to achieve. Just asking as you sound extremely confident. Can we put any of the outdoor bowls ideas into our indoor game?
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Post by little legs on Jun 29, 2020 20:21:22 GMT
Sadly, i think each venue will have different guidelines on distancing depending on its floor plan with bigger venues having a more relaxed distancing regime, currently having 10 people in an enclosed space with a high proportion over 70 still seems a bridge too far leagues. But the goalposts are changing regularly, probably some comps could take place but i expect plenty of the more senior members will not be available With all venues struggling this is why those of us who feel confident in going out into these pubs should have a pint or two , lime and water allowed if you are a designated driver , play a game if the landlord is happy , otherwise we will lose these tables and not have a game to go back to .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 21:44:27 GMT
With all venues struggling this is why those of us who feel confident in going out into these pubs should have a pint or two , lime and water allowed if you are a designated driver , play a game if the landlord is happy , otherwise we will lose these tables and not have a game to go back to . Well said, Legs. (Although I see you haven't yet mastered the art of quoting ! )
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Post by bigtj on Jun 30, 2020 6:50:21 GMT
As Little Legs has said firstly lets get out there and support our venues even without having a game at this time, at least we will show good faith and hopefully ensure the venues will survive until such a time as we can play, we need to see how the pubs look and how they are set out and then speak to our hosts about how they feel. I have been in touch with my Worthing venue and await them coming back to me when they themselves have digested all the guidance and decide when and how they will open safely (may not be the 4th).
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Post by racehorse on Jun 30, 2020 9:20:02 GMT
Well we are giving it a go on Sunday with an in house competition but pub only open to select locals as first day to see how things work.
There are a number of measures in place to see how it works. As a team we have been meeting up in park through lockdown and will continue to meet up now pubs are open and support our local.
Some people will remain against going out or playing etc and each person has to make that choice. This thing may never go away so we must try and adapt somehow or things will never get moving again.
Boxing is coming back and the UFC is back already with new measures and im not sure we will get as close together as those sports.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 11:52:20 GMT
Spoke to a GK BDM this morning, their guidelines to pub games. Darts OK but every player must use their own darts. NO card games NO pool or bar billiards. This will be reviewed in a couple of weeks at local levelsFingers crossed then.
At least Greene King is making an effort ! Most of their pubs will be re-opening from the 6th.
Good article in The Sun showing what to expect:
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Post by daveuk1 on Jun 30, 2020 12:32:02 GMT
Lol tommo, I've been in a lot GK pubs over the past few days and none of them resemble the model pub in the sun's article. As a lot of pubs don't have a big lobby outside the toilet area, the guide lines are a "back to school" approach where you actually have to remain seated and raise you hand to ask if you can visit the loo. Sorry but I just can't see it working and pubs will end up being closed down by local authorities for failing to comply. All of this needs to be ironed out before we even think about asking the question about putting a pound in the billiards table
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 30, 2020 13:04:37 GMT
Appear to be some government pronouncements on outdoor sport appearing, one for Chrissie from earlier
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 15:08:00 GMT
Lol tommo, I've been in a lot GK pubs over the past few days and none of them resemble the model pub in the sun's article. As a lot of pubs don't have a big lobby outside the toilet area, the guide lines are a "back to school" approach where you actually have to remain seated and raise you hand to ask if you can visit the loo. Sorry but I just can't see it working and pubs will end up being closed down by local authorities for failing to comply. All of this needs to be ironed out before we even think about asking the question about putting a pound in the billiards table Yeah Dave, the pub featured is the Fort Saint George in Cambridgeshire.
You mentioned earlier about the toilets issue: yes the rules are going to be "one out, one can go in", but I can't see queues of more than half-a-dozen developing. Nothing like the scale you get at half-time in a football match or theatre concert ....
Besides, the talk is you may be limited to 8 pints per person, so you won't need to go so much !
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2020 16:27:35 GMT
So could I ask what you see as common sense please. Common sense is fine but it requires detailed explanation to ensure safety of all. Not at all having a go just asking for solutions. I will willingly play if someone can show me how I will be safe. Just played Bowls today and we are all safe. Thanks Chris Hi Chris Glad to hear you are keeping well. How do you know "we are all safe" having played bowls today? Surely with the continuing uncertainty regarding the virus this is pretty much impossible to achieve. Just asking as you sound extremely confident. Can we put any of the outdoor bowls ideas into our indoor game? Hi Matt I only played individuals. There is hand sanitizer and gloves. A yellow and white Jack one for each player. I wear gloves to play anyway. Mat's are sterilized. Swing bin to dispose of gloves. Balls are collected by foot no ball pushers. Scores are recorded by one person in their head or on card by one player. Two metre distance enforced when I played from tomoos one metre. And out in the open air. Yes feel totally safe as I do in school. Chris x
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Post by "Silent" on Jun 30, 2020 16:40:50 GMT
Hi Chris Glad to hear you are keeping well. How do you know "we are all safe" having played bowls today? Surely with the continuing uncertainty regarding the virus this is pretty much impossible to achieve. Just asking as you sound extremely confident. Can we put any of the outdoor bowls ideas into our indoor game? Hi Matt I only played individuals. There is hand sanitizer and gloves. A yellow and white Jack one for each player. I wear gloves to play anyway. Mat's are sterilized. Swing bin to dispose of gloves. Balls are collected by foot no ball pushers. Scores are recorded by one person in their head or on card by one player. Two metre distance enforced when I played from tomoŕos one metre. And out in the open air. Yes feel totally safe as I do in school. Chris x Thanks Chris I wonder if gloves are something we will have to consider
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2020 16:46:09 GMT
Yes that would safeguard spread and to be honest better than not playing at all. At least then you could play a normal game x
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2020 16:56:48 GMT
Ensure a swing top bin to dispose of gloves x
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2020 16:59:03 GMT
Matt
I also go back to my original post of a digital hand held thermometer. That has been a godsend for us.
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Post by StuC on Jul 1, 2020 13:33:12 GMT
See this link on the government response to snooker being played in clubs wpbsa.com/wpbsa-epsb-statement-30th-june/Guess this means that bar billiards is currently against the government guidance, and we will have to wait to play. As said on here just go and support the pubs by having a drink for the moment.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jul 1, 2020 15:19:07 GMT
See this link on the government response to snooker being played in clubs wpbsa.com/wpbsa-epsb-statement-30th-june/Guess this means that bar billiards is currently against the government guidance, and we will have to wait to play. As said on here just go and support the pubs by having a drink for the moment. That is how it started off in Guernsey. Very strict rules when the pubs and clubs opened at first over here. Names and mobile numbers taken upon entry. Allocated tables. One way systems in and out when possible. No table hopping (ie moving from one group of friends to another) No approaching the bar. Cashless payments only. The weirdest thing is they forgot about the smokers who all congregated outside in a huddle throughout the evening. This lasted about two weeks before the Lockdown was removed and it was more or less back to normal. I thought it was all going to kick off in town the first Saturday night with all the night clubs opened. However there was a heavy police presence and only three arrests, which was average. Every situation is different and I am sure different people will have conflicting views to mine. Life changes will continue for you all. It has been very strange going from avoiding people on pavements, even stepping into roads when traffic heading towards you, to stopping and chatting to everyone, shaking hands and acting as if it has all gone away, which it hasn't. I am not being complacent. Just saying when restrictions are eased it is often as challenging as it was when restrictions were in place during the early weeks of Lockdown.
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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 3, 2020 11:05:13 GMT
I really think it is unfair to put even a tiny bit of pressure on the landlords/ladies at the moment, they are the ones who will face being closed down, fined and possibly a trip to court if they are found breaking the rules or even worse they have an outbreak of this virus traced back to their pub. It's their necks on the line
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Post by Chris on Jul 3, 2020 18:13:05 GMT
See this link on the government response to snooker being played in clubs wpbsa.com/wpbsa-epsb-statement-30th-june/Guess this means that bar billiards is currently against the government guidance, and we will have to wait to play. As said on here just go and support the pubs by having a drink for the moment. That is how it started off in Guernsey. Very strict rules when the pubs and clubs opened at first over here. Names and mobile numbers taken upon entry. Allocated tables. One way systems in and out when possible. No table hopping (ie moving from one group of friends to another) No approaching the bar. Cashless payments only. The weirdest thing is they forgot about the smokers who all congregated outside in a huddle throughout the evening. This lasted about two weeks before the Lockdown was removed and it was more or less back to normal. I thought it was all going to kick off in town the first Saturday night with all the night clubs opened. However there was a heavy police presence and only three arrests, which was average. Every situation is different and I am sure different people will have conflicting views to mine. Life changes will continue for you all. It has been very strange going from avoiding people on pavements, even stepping into roads when traffic heading towards you, to stopping and chatting to everyone, shaking hands and acting as if it has all gone away, which it hasn't. I am not being complacent. Just saying when restrictions are eased it is often as challenging as it was when restrictions were in place during the early weeks of Lockdown. I see that Condor are back and running that is great !! I never thought of any of this Norman great info. I know that when I open the school September all in, I am at now on Track and Trace if needed. I feel it is a shame that maybe the 40th of the World Championships may not run in Jersey this Year ??? Great you are all allowed out but it seems you still have restrictions ? Chris
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jul 3, 2020 23:27:49 GMT
I see that Condor are back and running that is great !! I never thought of any of this Norman great info. I know that when I open the school September all in, I am at now on Track and Trace if needed. I feel it is a shame that maybe the 40th of the World Championships may not run in Jersey this Year ??? Great you are all allowed out but it seems you still have restrictions ? Chris Hi Chris, No restrictions. Jersey are coming out of Lockdown this weekend with restrictions still. Guernsey have and always have had, a more measured approach to the pandemic than Jerseyland. But to be fair they have a much larger population than us, and cases numbers have been accordingly higher. We locked down before Jersey and traced all the people who brought the virus in. Sadly the fatalities all occurred in nursing/care homes and people over 80 years old. ATM we can travel to Jersey by Ferry as from Monday and have to take a test upon arrival, which should be confirmed as positive or negative in 12 - 48 hours., OR go into quarantine for 14 days. A lot of Jersey locals insist this decision has been taken for commercial reasons rather than health reasons. If a passenger who is a carrier of the virus enters Jersey and circulates in a hotel, pub or conference etc. before test results are known, the likelihood is that everyone who attended the same venue/event could be ordered to quarantine by the Jersey Government. That is the worrying truth. No air travel from Guernsey to Jersey as yet, Jersey have opened up their airport to UK flights if you a can get on one. But tests are mandatory unless you opt for the 14 days Isolation. It is an ever changing scenario. Guernsey government has received International and worldwide praise for their handling of the pandemic and we feel very fortunate that we are in this position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 12:20:36 GMT
Lol tommo, I've been in a lot GK pubs over the past few days and none of them resemble the model pub in the sun's article. As a lot of pubs don't have a big lobby outside the toilet area, the guide lines are a "back to school" approach where you actually have to remain seated and raise you hand to ask if you can visit the loo. Sorry but I just can't see it working and pubs will end up being closed down by local authorities for failing to comply. All of this needs to be ironed out before we even think about asking the question about putting a pound in the billiards table Greene King confused signals continue................. This article in the Sun suggested none of their pubs were ready to open:
But I've just spent an hour sitting in one, with a nice cold pint of Strongbow ! You can't believe everything you read in the papers !
Hall and Woodhouse are holding back re-opening of a couple of Crawley pubs: Plough (Ifield) and Goffs Manor will stay closed for another fortnight.
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