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Post by barbelman on Aug 26, 2013 7:40:21 GMT
I had a very long conversation today with Phil Hawkins. as usual Phil has a bee in his bonnet about events that seem to happen without his knowledge or anything discussed on this forum before ever being discussed firstly by the AEBBA committee. I find it difficult to explain things to someone who although feels very strongly that things need to be done in a right and proper manner, doesn't seem to grasp the big picture, he finds it troublesome when people interfere with or want to make rule changes to allow different forms of Bar Billiards to be played or recognized. He see's no reason for changing 4-pin rules to allow ranking points to be awarded, or even to become Affiliated to the Association. Phil has said JERSEY play under Jersey rules and we do not interfere with or try to change them, yet it is a ranking competition, he feels that the 4-pin version should be left as is and not to interfere with it. He say's he has had e-mails from various people about this and he is now fed up with the whole thing. He has asked me to let the committee know that he wishes to stand down as Chairman at the AGM I have always had ups and downs(more downs) when talking things over with Phil, however, he may be a bit of a dinosaur when it comes to bringing everything up to date but he has always put the best interest of our game first. That's a real shame because as Chrissie says, Phil has put as much as anyone into the game over the years (and still does) and has never let self-interest influence his decisions about any matter. He has a very forthright manner (spade = spade) which upsets some people but it would be a pity if he were to resign over this imaginary threat from the Forum to AEBBA's integrity, rather than the dignified exit he deserves after so many years service to the game. Everyone is entitled to an opinion about anything wherever it is expounded, and someone has already made the analogy that the Forum is like a discussion down the pub, but on a national basis and used properly, can give a really accurate snapshot of Joe Public's opinion on all things bar-billiards - opinions that would not otherwise be heard by the National body. If Phil's had enough then fine but I would implore him to have the celebrated retirement that he richly deserves rather than getting upset about a relatively minor disagreement and throwing in the towel. Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 10:20:32 GMT
As ever, very well said Tony. I agree with all of your post.
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Post by bigtj on Aug 26, 2013 13:45:14 GMT
Some very good points made and it will be a shame if Phil indeed goes after all his work, lets hope he will see that nobody is trying to undermine his position and must say that I agree it is up to him if he wishes not to join the forum and he should not be slated for not doing so.
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Post by milko on Oct 14, 2013 12:03:28 GMT
I have tried to contact all local companies with weighbridge, No luck as all are closed on Saturdays My only regret is not trying sooner, but as I now know where they are I CAN sort it sooner rather than later. I did speak to Brian Dawkins and he reckons we are no where near the limit with only Eight tables, Hope he's right. Truck is driving really well and feels a lot more solid. I'm sure Dave will say something official soon but it's good to hear that the van has been weighed and can carry a maximum NINE tables without going over the limit. My thanks go to him and Ian Gordon for all the hard work they do in delivering the tables to all the venues that hire the tables for competitions for us all to enjoy. Keith  |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 14, 2013 13:35:14 GMT
Legal limit appear eight tables I'm afraid.
Sav.
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Post by milko on Oct 14, 2013 13:41:21 GMT
Legal limit appear eight tables I'm afraid. Sav. That's not what Dave told me yesterday, Sav  |
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 14, 2013 14:35:27 GMT
Legal limit appear eight tables I'm afraid. Sav. That's not what Dave told me yesterday, Sav I would like to echo Keith's thanks for all of the hard work put in by Dave and Ian in delivering the tables around the country during the last couple of years, without this we wouldn't be able to have any of the competitions that we all enjoy playing in. It's good news that the truck has been fixed (thanks to Paul S) and has now been weighed.... so all we need now is clarification on how many tables it can legally carry within the weight limits to ensure that there are no problems for anybody that is delivering & colleting the tables in the future?  |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 14, 2013 20:07:15 GMT
Legal limit appear eight tables I'm afraid. Sav. That's not what Dave told me yesterday, Sav Weight with one table and accessories 2440kgs Weight with five tables and accessories plus trolley 3020kgs Thus total weight per table is 140kgs. Thus eight tables with ONE DRIVER ONLY is 3460kg perilously close to the maximum gross weight of 3500kg Sav |
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Post by Chris on Oct 14, 2013 20:52:25 GMT
The weight with tables must be checked. It is not fair to expect that Dave must do this. I can't load the tables but can take time to drive the van to help, to get it to a weigh bridge.
I do agree that the weight is paramount, to ensure the van insurance is legal, otherwise someone and I would suggest the driver, is liable should there be an incident with the van.
Our comments and here say is fine but what we need is to ensure that Dave and the drivers such as Ian Gordon are fully covered re the weight.
Unless this is validated it is unfair to ask these guys to drive it, they do a great job which none of us do as it is....
Chris
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 14, 2013 21:13:56 GMT
Truck has been weighed with two different loadings. Figures I quoted are the official figures Chrissie, I don't mean to gazump Dave, but wish to answer speculation.
Sav.
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Post by Chris on Oct 15, 2013 18:01:24 GMT
Thanks for the info Sav
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Post by David.G on Nov 15, 2017 19:23:38 GMT
Last Sunday(12th) My wife and I along with Deedee and Lewis, traveled to Portsmouth to have Dinner with Chrissie Newson and her family, and of coarse there was the small matter of a very long meeting.
We discussed many things surrounding the AEBBA including the delivery of tables, the outcome is, I shall continue to do this next year.
This was a private meeting and therefore no minutes were taken
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Post by bigtj on Nov 16, 2017 7:46:04 GMT
Dave this is good news but I think there should be a proviso that when you arrive at any venue there is labour supplied by the receivers to unload the tables, and enough labour to reload the tables, this to include AEBBA competitions, you should not do this single handed.
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