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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 2, 2013 22:43:06 GMT
As we are in a summer sporty mode i shall kick of an Ashes thread :D
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 10, 2013 9:36:05 GMT
Day 1 today, eagerly anticipating how it will psn outvthis morning, even if im nowhwre near Sky TV down in Southampton ;)
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 10, 2013 11:29:48 GMT
Our gallant leader out for 13, Root going strong, Agar first ball for 4 off Trott, cracking start for the young lad;)
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 10, 2013 14:06:13 GMT
England slightly up against it here!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 10, 2013 16:15:55 GMT
215 all out, bad times
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 10, 2013 17:47:28 GMT
And yet our quicks battle back, showing Peter Siddle than anything he can do, we are ecen better at!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 8:00:25 GMT
Big first session this morning, England need to strike early, Haddin will be the danger man in this Aussie line up.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 10:32:38 GMT
Boom!! Jimmy strikes, Smith gone.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 10:37:40 GMT
Big turn from Swann!! First ball to Haddin, bowled!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 10:43:50 GMT
Anderson dominating! Siddle gone, cracking catch from Prior
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 11:01:53 GMT
Exhibition stuff here, Starc and Pattinson sent walking!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 13:12:59 GMT
England throwing it away here!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 15:33:37 GMT
England up against it here, KP and Cook need to dig deep!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 11, 2013 17:36:40 GMT
Thats all for close of play, England 80-2, 15 runs ahead.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 10:14:44 GMT
Day 3 and two shakey 4s off the edge for Pietersen hopefully wont set the tone!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 10:58:07 GMT
KP looking strong on 64, Cook just 2 away from 50
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 11:11:56 GMT
I go for a shower and Cook and KP go!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 11:28:06 GMT
I go for a shower and Cook and KP go! Stay dirty next time! LOL :D
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 11:53:24 GMT
I go for a shower and Cook and KP go! Stay dirty next time! LOL :D Thats the moral of the story! Showering hinders sporting progress :D
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 17:45:37 GMT
Well another controversy marred day, pretty disgraceful the way Broad was being slated for not walking, despite not being given out, whether he edged the ball is neither here nor there! I suppose everyone forgets the Aussies have been doing that for the last 50 years!! On a positive note though, Bell 95 not out overnight, Broad on 47 and a lead of 261 on a dry, deteriorating pitch! :D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 21:48:32 GMT
He should have walked ! Bad sportsmanship not to. Why should we drag ourselves down to Aussie levels ? *
In the cricket I was brought up with, the English player would have behaved like a gentleman - I've seen Gooch do it, Gower and Botham, all walked.
In another gentleman's game, snooker, quite often the player owns up to a foul if the waistcoat brushes the ball when leaning forward. I'm not a fan of Ronnie O'Sullivan but I've seen him own up to it more than once.
In bar billiards, if someone counts me too many score, I'll tell the scorer - it's very bad form not to. The same if I failed to make contact with the object ball but the scorer was unsighted.
If you were to put it to the vote you'd find that there are many who'd agree with me.
* Having said that, one of the most famous examples of sportsmanship was by the Australian batsman Adam Gilchrist who walked when he was caught off bat and pad against Sri Lanka in the World Cup Semi-Final of 2003 - despite being given not out by the umpire !
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 12, 2013 23:50:56 GMT
I see this is an issue thats causing a great divide everywhere. It depends on context i think, if i was playing billiards and i knowingly fouled but it wasnt picked up on i would turn round and say, yep i fouled, same in pool, same in snooker. However in cricket i think its a different story, i agree tommo that as an English sportsman i was taught to be a gentleman, when i played rugby and cricket it was what was installed in me. However times have changed in sport from 10/15 years ago and even beyond. Nobody will walk now unless theyre told to, India wouldnt, West Indies wouldnt, Australia definitely wouldnt, because todays sport is more ruthless and all about the winning mentality. Being an English gent has lost its relevance in sport, and i think Broad was well within his right to stay, Aleem Dar, one of the most experienced and greatest umpire the game has ever had judged Broad to be not out, therefore itd be suicidal in todays game for Broad to walk. While we are on about it, Michael Clarke may be whinging but is one of the worst ones for it! Two/three years ago he was given out and refused to walk and was forced to apologise personally to the umpire later on. Lets be homest too, the most hyped up Ashes series since way back when, youd do anything to win it, if that means not being honest, so be it.
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Post by BB Warrior on Jul 13, 2013 7:57:34 GMT
I see this is an issue thats causing a great divide everywhere. It depends on context i think, if i was playing billiards and i knowingly fouled but it wasnt picked up on i would turn round and say, yep i fouled, same in pool, same in snooker. However in cricket i think its a different story, i agree tommo that as an English sportsman i was taught to be a gentleman, when i played rugby and cricket it was what was installed in me. However times have changed in sport from 10/15 years ago and even beyond. Nobody will walk now unless theyre told to, India wouldnt, West Indies wouldnt, Australia definitely wouldnt, because todays sport is more ruthless and all about the winning mentality. Being an English gent has lost its relevance in sport, and i think Broad was well within his right to stay, Aleem Dar, one of the most experienced and greatest umpire the game has ever had judged Broad to be not out, therefore itd be suicidal in todays game for Broad to walk. While we are on about it, Michael Clarke may be whinging but is one of the worst ones for it! Two/three years ago he was given out and refused to walk and was forced to apologise personally to the umpire later on. Lets be homest too, the most hyped up Ashes series since way back when, youd do anything to win it, if that means not being honest, so be it. I really can't agree with you here Phil, perhaps you have rose coloured glasses on just because it was an England player involved, had it been one of the Australian players I think you would be calling him a cheat and saying that he should be banned from the game! For me, cheating has no place in sport.... whether it is taking performance enhancing drugs in athletics or cycling, diving in the penalty area or to try to get your opponent sent off in football or not walking when you know you are out in cricket. Had Australia still had a review left, he would have been given out without any doubt but they didn't and that is the only reason that he is still out in the middle batting today. I think that Rugby has the right idea with the system they have of being able to review incidents after the match and then taking action against players that have broken the rules.... I wish that other sports followed their lead more as that would certainly reduce the amount of cheating very quickly if players were banned for things like these. I agree that professional sport today is "all about winning"..... however it would be a hollow victory to win by cheating and it sets a very poor example to young players who see things like this and copy them at lower levels. The Umpire made a very bad mistake, it happens, all of the players know that and it is up to them to be honest enough to do the right thing in situations like this as that is an essential part of the "Spirit of the Game".
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 9:49:39 GMT
I see this is an issue thats causing a great divide everywhere. It depends on context i think, if i was playing billiards and i knowingly fouled but it wasnt picked up on i would turn round and say, yep i fouled, same in pool, same in snooker. However in cricket i think its a different story, i agree tommo that as an English sportsman i was taught to be a gentleman, when i played rugby and cricket it was what was installed in me. However times have changed in sport from 10/15 years ago and even beyond. Nobody will walk now unless theyre told to, India wouldnt, West Indies wouldnt, Australia definitely wouldnt, because todays sport is more ruthless and all about the winning mentality. Being an English gent has lost its relevance in sport, and i think Broad was well within his right to stay, Aleem Dar, one of the most experienced and greatest umpire the game has ever had judged Broad to be not out, therefore itd be suicidal in todays game for Broad to walk. While we are on about it, Michael Clarke may be whinging but is one of the worst ones for it! Two/three years ago he was given out and refused to walk and was forced to apologise personally to the umpire later on. Lets be homest too, the most hyped up Ashes series since way back when, youd do anything to win it, if that means not being honest, so be it. I really can't agree with you here Phil, perhaps you have rose coloured glasses on just because it was an England player involved, had it been one of the Australian players I think you would be calling him a cheat and saying that he should be banned from the game! For me, cheating has no place in sport.... whether it is taking performance enhancing drugs in athletics or cycling, diving in the penalty area or to try to get your opponent sent off in football or not walking when you know you are out in cricket. Had Australia still had a review left, he would have been given out without any doubt but they didn't and that is the only reason that he is still out in the middle batting today. I think that Rugby has the right idea with the system they have of being able to review incidents after the match and then taking action against players that have broken the rules.... I wish that other sports followed their lead more as that would certainly reduce the amount of cheating very quickly if players were banned for things like these. I agree that professional sport today is "all about winning"..... however it would be a hollow victory to win by cheating and it sets a very poor example to young players who see things like this and copy them at lower levels. The Umpire made a very bad mistake, it happens, all of the players know that and it is up to them to be honest enough to do the right thing in situations like this as that is an essential part of the "Spirit of the Game". Rose coloured glasses, havent heard that one before :D made me chuckle :D if im honest Dave if that would of been the case with another player of another side and he didnt walk i would of taken the mindset that the umpire made a dreadful decision. I think thats something to remember too, players dont start taking matters into their own hands in cricket, the umpire still has ultimate jurisduction, by this i mean if i was an umpire and a guy i gave not out started walking, id feel like a bit of an idiot in front of everyone. I dont believe Broad is a cheat by any standard, hes simply doing what is considered the norm, all he did was listen to what the umpire said.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 10:14:12 GMT
On a positive note though, Bell to 100, Broady to 50, cracking efforts from both of them!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 11:23:31 GMT
England 375 all out, Aussie need 311 to win, not an easy task at all!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 11:48:57 GMT
I agree that professional sport today is "all about winning"..... however it would be a hollow victory to win by cheating and it sets a very poor example to young players who see things like this and copy them at lower levels. The Umpire made a very bad mistake, it happens, all of the players know that and it is up to them to be honest enough to do the right thing in situations like this as that is an essential part of the "Spirit of the Game". This sums it up to perfection for me. In most sports we admire winners, but reputations can be tarnished by any hint of cheating. The most famous example of all is Diego Maradona who handballed a goal into the net against England in the World Cup quarter-final in Mexico, 1986: After he had the cheek to claim it was the 'hand of God' a fantastically talented footballer has become vilified ever since. And remember Thierry Henry, Phil ? I'm sure you do. Another great footballer who went down in my estimation when he did a similar handball to set up a goal for William Gallas which prevented Ireland from qualifying for the last World Cup instead of France ! It's human nature to remember bad things people do rather than any good, and sadly for Broad he will probably now carry this stain for the remainder of his career.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 13:45:39 GMT
I agree that professional sport today is "all about winning"..... however it would be a hollow victory to win by cheating and it sets a very poor example to young players who see things like this and copy them at lower levels. The Umpire made a very bad mistake, it happens, all of the players know that and it is up to them to be honest enough to do the right thing in situations like this as that is an essential part of the "Spirit of the Game". This sums it up to perfection for me. In most sports we admire winners, but reputations can be tarnished by any hint of cheating. The most famous example of all is Diego Maradona who handballed a goal into the net against England in the World Cup quarter-final in Mexico, 1986: After he had the cheek to claim it was the 'hand of God' a fantastically talented footballer has become vilified ever since. And remember Thierry Henry, Phil ? I'm sure you do. Another great footballer who went down in my estimation when he did a similar handball to set up a goal for William Gallas which prevented Ireland from qualifying for the last World Cup instead of France ! It's human nature to remember bad things people do rather than any good, and sadly for Broad he will probably now carry this stain for the remainder of his career. I remebwr that game indeed, Henry was the greatest Arsenal player id ever seen when i was younger, he was one of my boyhood favourites, then when he handballed against Ireland, which prevented them from possibly going to the world cup, i was gutted to think that my favourite player of all time did that. Of course he did return and was instantly a fan favourite but that legacy remains. I just think that as far as Broad was concerned, he was well within his right to wait for Aleem Dars decision, which went in his favour. But i agree tommo that there may well be a stigma attached to his name amongst many.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 13:46:51 GMT
Aussie doing well here, Watson closing in on a half century, sloppey English bowling aiding him.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 13, 2013 13:56:18 GMT
Watsons gone, let the fightback commence, if they can get rid of Cowan or Rogers in quick succession, all pressure on Clarke!
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