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Post by NigelS on Oct 17, 2016 17:55:29 GMT
Although I can see the benefits of this suggestion Nigel, I am not sure that I would be in favour of anything that means that potentially some teams that want to take part could be excluded by reducing it down to just 14 teams.  As you correctly point out, there are no guarantees that we would have enough teams to make up 3 divisions but we surely have to allow for the number of teams will have played this year (8 "A" Teams, potentially 4 "B" teams) before adding the 2 Ladies teams (Sussex and Oxon) that seem likely to be able to raise at least 7 players. If you then add to that the "Ladies County Select" team, the chance that Surrey could raise a "Mixed" B Team (with ladies and men playing, as the Ladies would no longer have their own competition) and possible addition of Yorkshire and Suffolk (unlikely I think, but you never know?) and you would end up with 17 teams that want to take part. Who decides which teams would not be allowed to play?  This does need to be considered carefully before any decisions are made as we all know how hard it can be to revert back to something different if we get it wrong now.  I just think if you limit to 14 teams you a) cut down a weekend and b) dont have a scenario of a 2 team division 3 which we had a few years ago. I think I would go with something along the lines of - first every county can submit one open and one ladies team. Realistically this will be 10 teams (11 at a push for Surrey Ladies). -B teams will then be invited to make 12, so in this case 2 is most likely - each county to be asked in turn if they would field a B side in order of where they finished in last years county champs. -2 teams then would make up the final 12, which will be select teams one open & one ladies. Not sure if can be made up of any players (regardless of county) who havent been picked or just counties with no B/ladies teams. If no ladies select team then ask another county to submit a B side. This way each team is picked on merit and you do have opportunities if your county is not sending a B team or a ladies team. If players miss out, they miss out. I think people forget that county sides are picked on merit, they are not opens were anyone can enter. After all my format caters for nearly 100 players, which is more than most opens. Maybe its radical, but maybe thats what it needs. 98 players getting 6 games each seems a potentially good solution to me. |
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Post by JB on Oct 17, 2016 18:30:45 GMT
My other (original) idea which again is a bit radical and will probably get some adverse comments is.
Division 1 and 2 made up of A sides only (including ladies)
A separate B team competition which could include a County 7 team for men and a ladies or just 1 mixed team
I hate the idea (and yes i know it will probably never happen) that you could end up with division 1 comprising of Sussex A Sussex B Oxford A Oxford B Sussex ladies & Oxford ladies. This is one thing us ladies were trying to avoid.
As Nigel says the County team is picked on merit.
I know this wouldn't cut down on a weekend but there would definitely be a weekend free if something isn't done with the Ladies weekend as there won't be one
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Post by Auntie Pauline on Oct 17, 2016 18:40:24 GMT
Just want to say a big "Well Done Jean" in putting forward the ladies discussions from yesterday. Personally I find it much easier to discuss ideas face to face rather than trying to put ideas down in writing and get blown away because I've said the wrong thing ☺☺
I will say that I really do feel that the only way forward is for the Ladies County teams to join the Men's County Teams. This year was the worst year I've had after having two teams sorted for 4 weeks to find I was in a situation of having to find another player 4 days before the Sunday, knowing that if we hadn't managed to get a B side last minute the day most probably wouldn't have been viable and would have been cancelled. Everyone knows how I panic when things go wrong 😉😉
Thank you again Jean xxx
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 18, 2016 5:25:30 GMT
I just think if you limit to 14 teams you a) cut down a weekend and b) dont have a scenario of a 2 team division 3 which we had a few years ago. I think I would go with something along the lines of - first every county can submit one open and one ladies team. Realistically this will be 10 teams (11 at a push for Surrey Ladies). -B teams will then be invited to make 12, so in this case 2 is most likely - each county to be asked in turn if they would field a B side in order of where they finished in last years county champs. -2 teams then would make up the final 12, which will be select teams one open & one ladies. Not sure if can be made up of any players (regardless of county) who havent been picked or just counties with no B/ladies teams. If no ladies select team then ask another county to submit a B side. This way each team is picked on merit and you do have opportunities if your county is not sending a B team or a ladies team. If players miss out, they miss out. I think people forget that county sides are picked on merit, they are not opens were anyone can enter. After all my format caters for nearly 100 players, which is more than most opens. Maybe its radical, but maybe thats what it needs. 98 players getting 6 games each seems a potentially good solution to me. Sorry Nigel, I have to disagree with you here for the simple reason that all of the Counties pay the same affiliation fees to AEBBA and are therefore equally entitled to send two Open teams to the county championships if they want to.... what right do AEBBA therefore have to decide which counties can enter a B team and which can't? Our of the most important rules in our Constitution states that we should encourage the playing of Bar Billiards and any rule that prevents players from taking part should therefore not be accepted. I do understand (and agree) that at some time in the future that there may be less counties that wish to enter a B Team and that is a bridge we must cross when we reach it, but I certainly do not believe that AEBBA should be looking to change things to prevent some B Teams playing now as once that happens those teams will never come back. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 18, 2016 5:35:23 GMT
My other (original) idea which again is a bit radical and will probably get some adverse comments is. Division 1 and 2 made up of A sides only (including ladies) A separate B team competition which could include a County 7 team for men and a ladies or just 1 mixed team I would certainly support this as an alternative to my previous suggestion as there are no restrictions to the number of teams that could enter the competition. Based on the current counties playing, there would be 8 existing "Open" County Teams plus the 2 Ladies County Teams (Oxon & Sussex) with spaces for Suffolk and Yorkshire should they choose to enter teams in the future. If we started with 5 teams in each division, the games could all be double legs which would also be fairer that the current "equal break" situation that we have at the moment. Assuming that the 4 B Teams continue and are joined by one (or more) "County 7" teams then that would also povide a viable number to justify the separate competition.... the only possible down-side would be that there was no promotion from this competition and I personally believe that is a bad thing as I know a lot of the players in B Teams do enjoy the challenge of trying to beat the A Teams when they have played against them in the past. |
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Post by NigelS on Oct 18, 2016 8:53:46 GMT
Sorry Nigel, I have to disagree with you here for the simple reason that all of the Counties pay the same affiliation fees to AEBBA and are therefore equally entitled to send two Open teams to the county championships if they want to.... what right do AEBBA therefore have to decide which counties can enter a B team and which can't? Our of the most important rules in our Constitution states that we should encourage the playing of Bar Billiards and any rule that prevents players from taking part should therefore not be accepted. I do understand (and agree) that at some time in the future that there may be less counties that wish to enter a B Team and that is a bridge we must cross when we reach it, but I certainly do not believe that AEBBA should be looking to change things to prevent some B Teams playing now as once that happens those teams will never come back. I do think the AEBBA have every right to choose which teams play in the county championships as long as there are rules in place voted through at an AGM. There does seem to be this overall belief now that everyone has the right to play for their county as long as they can just pick up a cue and get to the venue. In the (good) old days there were no B sides - players had to make the top 7 in their county to play - if they didn't they couldn't play. As I said before it is not an open where you pay your entry fee and you get to play. I think my format which allows 100 players to participate is more than fair, and gives most players if good enough a chance to play. I do also think you will find that only Sussex would approve of double legs..... However, I think we are agreed Dave that an overall county championships for men and ladies is the way to go. The format needs to be thrashed out but either way it would be a step forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 10:34:53 GMT
Just to throw this into the mix (and this is a neutral view from someone who does not get to participate any more and therefore has no particular axe to grind)
Requisites: (Jean/Pauline) Ladies want to play with the men;
(BBW) As many teams as want to play should be encouraged/included;
(Nigel) The integrity of the competitions not to be sacrificed;
(General view) A day to be saved if at all possible.
To tailor-fit a system incorporating all of the above, I believe we have to sacrifice all-play-all and return to the concept of two groups on the day either with a final or with semi-finals and a final.
So here's my vision of how it might work:
'A' teams (7-a-side)
Berks
Bucks
Northants
Oxon
Oxon Ladies
Hants
Kent
Surrey
Sussex
Sussex Ladies
Section 2 for 'B' teams and New teams (5-a-side)
Berks B
Oxon B
Oxon Ladies B
Yorkshire
Ladies Select
Kent B
Suffolk
Surrey Ladies
Sussex B
Sussex Ladies B
For the A teams......2 groups of 5, either drawn or zoned, with double legs and a mens team final and a ladies team final(thus perpetuating the Ladies Championship)
For Section 2......2 groups of 5, either drawn or zoned, with double legs and two semi-finals and a final.
No promotions or relegations unless one of the new counties becomes dominant and feels able to field a team of 7 in the future.
I have not got as far as calculating exactly how many legs in total this would comprise, but would imagine that with 2 groups on each day rather than all-play-all it would come out similar to Nigel's estimates and not cause him too much of a headache in working out a brand new schedule. And of course everyone would be guaranteed 8 legs of bar billiards.
Other points would of course have to be thrashed out, for example negotiations with Yorks and/or Suffolk as to whether or not this would be acceptable in their first year. And with Surrey Ladies, who may consider they could field a strong enough team to vie for the A section (although it would be their first year back).
But at least this way a weekend would be saved and the possibility of a Third Division with only a couple of teams in it avoided.
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Post by JB on Oct 18, 2016 11:02:44 GMT
Firstly I would like to clarify that it is not that the ladies want to play in the mens we would rather keep the Ladies County Championships going.
This year there were 2 Oxford teams and 2 Sussex teams. Oxford have said they struggled to get a B team and the probability is there wont be one next year. Sussex had last minute problems with the B team and nearly pulled out.
With both B teams struggling it could end up with only 2 teams. This means it will be cancelled and disappear from the calendar and we all know how difficult it would then be to get it re-instated.
The ladies present at Oxford felt that if possible joining in with the mens Competition would be an idea as we enjoy the team event. I feel it is basically a choice of amalgamate with the men or to not have a competition at all. Had a couple of mixed responses last night so to hear from some of the ladies that were not at Oxford would be great.
Secondly can someone please explain what the AEBBA County Champs are all about as I am getting really confused.
Each County picks their top 7 players to play for their County. Some people are going to be disappointed and miss out. (Tough)
The larger Counties can then choose those disappointed players to play in a B team. Unfortunately the smaller Counties that might have 4 players on the verge of making the A side that miss out don't get that opportunity. In the larger Counties they may have another 7 players that have just missed out on being picked for the B team. So why don't we include a C team so as not to disappoint these players!.
While were at it why don't we let the Individual Runners Up play in the Individual KO as they only just missed out on getting there.
Sorry but these team Competitions are AEBBA Competitions not opens.
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Post by JB on Oct 18, 2016 11:14:31 GMT
Couple of points Clive
Forget Sussex ladies and Oxford ladies B sides as both struggled to get 10 players last year and this would be 12
Can I ask why Surrey ladies and ladies select teams you would put in B teams? Surely they would be in the A teams?
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 18, 2016 11:58:09 GMT
I do think the AEBBA have every right to choose which teams play in the county championships as long as there are rules in place voted through at an AGM. There does seem to be this overall belief now that everyone has the right to play for their county as long as they can just pick up a cue and get to the venue. In the (good) old days there were no B sides - players had to make the top 7 in their county to play - if they didn't they couldn't play. As I said before it is not an open where you pay your entry fee and you get to play. I think my format which allows 100 players to participate is more than fair, and gives most players if good enough a chance to play. I do also think you will find that only Sussex would approve of double legs..... However, I think we are agreed Dave that an overall county championships for men and ladies is the way to go. The format needs to be thrashed out but either way it would be a step forward. Nigel, I think we will have to agree to disagree about the highlighted sentence above as we are clearly no longer in the (good) old days based on the reason that this subject has been raised in the first place here on the forum! Having said that, I think the first decision that has to be made at the AEBBA AGM as to whether in the future the County Championships should only be for "A Teams" to include the Ladies and would be played over 2 days, or if "B Teams" (from any county) can also take part and we then look at the best format for which ever system is approved. At the end of the day, surely we want to encourage players to take part in as many competitions as possible and not find ways to stop them playing in national events?  |
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Post by Baby Guinness on Oct 18, 2016 12:06:05 GMT
I do think the AEBBA have every right to choose which teams play in the county championships as long as there are rules in place voted through at an AGM. There does seem to be this overall belief now that everyone has the right to play for their county as long as they can just pick up a cue and get to the venue. In the (good) old days there were no B sides - players had to make the top 7 in their county to play - if they didn't they couldn't play. As I said before it is not an open where you pay your entry fee and you get to play. I think my format which allows 100 players to participate is more than fair, and gives most players if good enough a chance to play. I do also think you will find that only Sussex would approve of double legs..... However, I think we are agreed Dave that an overall county championships for men and ladies is the way to go. The format needs to be thrashed out but either way it would be a step forward. Nigel, I think we will have to agree to disagree about the highlighted sentence above as we are clearly no longer in the (good) old days based on the reason that this subject has been raised in the first place here on the forum! Having said that, I think the first decision that has to be made at the AEBBA AGM as to whether in the future the County Championships should only be for "A Teams" to include the Ladies and would be played over 2 days, or if "B Teams" (from any county) can also take part and we then look at the best format for which ever system is approved. At the end of the day, surely we want to encourage players to take part in as many competitions as possible and not find ways to stop them playing in national events? I totally agree with Dave on this. |
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Post by bobhall on Oct 18, 2016 12:13:38 GMT
Just to throw this into the mix (and this is a neutral view from someone who does not get to participate any more and therefore has no particular axe to grind)
Requisites: (Jean/Pauline) Ladies want to play with the men;
(BBW) As many teams as want to play should be encouraged/included;
(Nigel) The integrity of the competitions not to be sacrificed;
(General view) A day to be saved if at all possible.To tailor-fit a system incorporating all of the above, I believe we have to sacrifice all-play-all and return to the concept of two groups on the day either with a final or with semi-finals and a final. So here's my vision of how it might work: 'A' teams (7-a-side)Berks Bucks Northants Oxon Oxon Ladies Hants Kent Surrey Sussex Sussex Ladies Section 2 for 'B' teams and New teams (5-a-side)Berks B Oxon B Oxon Ladies B Yorkshire Ladies Select Kent B Suffolk Surrey Ladies Sussex B Sussex Ladies B For the A teams......2 groups of 5, either drawn or zoned, with double legs and a mens team final and a ladies team final (thus perpetuating the Ladies Championship)For Section 2......2 groups of 5, either drawn or zoned, with double legs and two semi-finals and a final. No promotions or relegations unless one of the new counties becomes dominant and feels able to field a team of 7 in the future. I have not got as far as calculating exactly how many legs in total this would comprise, but would imagine that with 2 groups on each day rather than all-play-all it would come out similar to Nigel's estimates and not cause him too much of a headache in working out a brand new schedule. And of course everyone would be guaranteed 8 legs of bar billiards. Other points would of course have to be thrashed out, for example negotiations with Yorks and/or Suffolk as to whether or not this would be acceptable in their first year. And with Surrey Ladies, who may consider they could field a strong enough team to vie for the A section (although it would be their first year back). But at least this way a weekend would be saved and the possibility of a Third Division with only a couple of teams in it avoided. Hi tommo this is no disrespect towards the ladies division at all now in regards to the ladies going straight into the A teams i spoke to a few and they said there would be no point as they would not stand a chance to the standard that the div 1 is played too . and 1 thing i liked more than anything was two ladies out of the 3 i spoke to actually said to me that they would like to earn the right to play in the top division, lets forget about the A and b side we need to consider this as divisions and i know for a fact there are probably 20 top players in sussex (if not more) who could easily make the A team so if they didnt they would be in the b team and therefore stand just as good a chance as any to win the top division, this also really goes out to oxford aswell i know of some great players and if they played they could be unbeatable, names such as phil collins,steven sheard,keith sheard,leon bear,john bamsey,mark trafford so many names to mention. i would love to see the divisions go to 3 i think what we need to do is just spread the tournements out a little more, with jersey coming up i know for a fact i cant afford to travel every weekend and play unless i go to jersey and drink water all week and lets be honest that aint gonna happen at all, so maybe someone wants to start a poll on members views and see how many responses we get that way it will give us some sort of indication as to how the players want to play |
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Post by Auntie Pauline on Oct 18, 2016 12:37:08 GMT
Firstly I would like to clarify that it is not that the ladies want to play in the mens we would rather keep the Ladies County Championships going. This year there were 2 Oxford teams and 2 Sussex teams. Oxford have said they struggled to get a B team and the probability is there wont be one next year. Sussex had last minute problems with the B team and nearly pulled out. With both B teams struggling it could end up with only 2 teams. This means it will be cancelled and disappear from the calendar and we all know how difficult it would then be to get it re-instated. The ladies present at Oxford felt that if possible joining in with the mens Competition would be an idea as we enjoy the team event. I feel it is basically a choice of amalgamate with the men or to not have a competition at all. Had a couple of mixed responses last night so to hear from some of the ladies that were not at Oxford would be great. I totally agree with Jean, my first thoughts when reading Clive's post was "where did all these ladies teams come from" if we had this many able to turn up on the Ladies County Championship day we wouldn't be in the position we are in now trying to keep it going. All we want to be able to do is keep the Ladies teams going and the only way forward we can see is to join the men but I must admit I would rather see the Ladies in Div.2 to start just to break us in gently lol. If we joined the men Oxford Ladies would only have 1 team of 7 players, no B side. |
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Post by Auntie Pauline on Oct 18, 2016 12:51:06 GMT
Whoops !!! Sorry didn't do that quote right, my message is at the bottom of Jean's xxx
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Post by JB on Oct 18, 2016 13:44:24 GMT
i know for a fact there are probably 20 top players in sussex (if not more) who could easily make the A team so if they didnt they would be in the b team and therefore stand just as good a chance as any to win the top division [/quote] So out of those 20+ plus players 14 get picked. What happens to the 6+ players who don't? Do Sussex say we want to be able to send a C team as they are just as strong as the teams already playing and have a chance to win Division 1? Or are they disappointed they didn't make it into the A or B side? Where does it end? Don't worry Pauline my quotes never seem to work either!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 14:17:09 GMT
Couple of points Clive Forget Sussex ladies and Oxford ladies B sides as both struggled to get 10 players last year and this would be 12 Can I ask why Surrey ladies and ladies select teams you would put in B teams? Surely they would be in the A teams? Quite simply, the proposal was for 'A' teams, 7 players; and for Section Two, 5 players......Seeing as how Surrey were unable to raise even five for this year, a more gentle re-introduction seemed prudent, for the first year anyway. And for Ladies Select the evidence points to a team of 5 being more likely. Sorry, too much to read now since your post so pulling out of discussion as I have some more work to do for Nigel. |
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Post by bobhall on Oct 18, 2016 15:10:28 GMT
i know for a fact there are probably 20 top players in sussex (if not more) who could easily make the A team so if they didnt they would be in the b team and therefore stand just as good a chance as any to win the top division So out of those 20+ plus players 14 get picked. What happens to the 6+ players who don't? Do Sussex say we want to be able to send a C team as they are just as strong as the teams already playing and have a chance to win Division 1? Or are they disappointed they didn't make it into the A or B side? Where does it end? Don't worry Pauline my quotes never seem to work either! [/quote] yes people are disappointed i for one was disappointed when i wasn't told i was a reserve last year and then the b team played short on the day and got relegated, for me the list of players should never end if we have people wanting to play and represent there county and at the end of the day this is what they are doing then let them i for one support as many tournaments and opens as i can afford and that wont change, also a lot of Sussex players will know i am over the moon when i get asked to play for Sussex and i would be even happier when i get the chance to play for England (hint hint curt) ! i had played 4 leagues now i play 3 leagues and also inter league and i would not change that i am also willing to help out where i can when i can and have offered my help on countless number of times. the main focus is making bar billiards stronger and making the days and matches worth taking place i believe we all have the same passion for the game if we didn't we would probably stop playing |
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Post by JB on Oct 18, 2016 15:51:24 GMT
i know for a fact there are probably 20 top players in sussex (if not more) who could easily make the A team so if they didnt they would be in the b team and therefore stand just as good a chance as any to win the top division So out of those 20+ plus players 14 get picked. What happens to the 6+ players who don't? Do Sussex say we want to be able to send a C team as they are just as strong as the teams already playing and have a chance to win Division 1? Or are they disappointed they didn't make it into the A or B side? Where does it end? Don't worry Pauline my quotes never seem to work either! [/quote]yes people are disappointed i for one was disappointed when i wasn't told i was a reserve last year and then the b team played short on the day and got relegated, for me the list of players should never end if we have people wanting to play and represent there county and at the end of the day this is what they are doing then let them i for one support as many tournaments and opens as i can afford and that wont change, also a lot of Sussex players will know i am over the moon when i get asked to play for Sussex and i would be even happier when i get the chance to play for England (hint hint curt) ! i had played 4 leagues now i play 3 leagues and also inter league and i would not change that i am also willing to help out where i can when i can and have offered my help on countless number of times. the main focus is making bar billiards stronger and making the days and matches worth taking place i believe we all have the same passion for the game if we didn't we would probably stop playing [/quote] How would this work then? "the list of players should never end if we have people wanting to play and represent there county and at the end of the day this is what they are doing then let them" If Sussex had 28 all wanting to represent their County are you saying they should be allowed to enter 4 teams? What would you propose that the County Team Champs are worked out each year depending on how many teams from each County want to enter? |
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Post by NigelS on Oct 18, 2016 16:31:56 GMT
How would this work then? "the list of players should never end if we have people wanting to play and represent there county and at the end of the day this is what they are doing then let them" If Sussex had 28 all wanting to represent their County are you saying they should be allowed to enter 4 teams? What would you propose that the County Team Champs are worked out each year depending on how many teams from each County want to enter? Bob's opinion (which I am sure is shared by some) just reinforces my belief that a section of players now do feel that if they want/ willing to play for their county they should be able to. I can't see how this is right though, surely the county champs was about players being selected to represent their county on merit. So that would be the best 7 or the best 7 ladies to make a side. B teams should only be used to make the numbers up. That's why I say stick to 14 teams, 2 weekends....each county to send one side, and one ladies side if possible. The rest of the sides to be made up of two select teams and B sides. I don't think this is preventing people from playing, as said before there are plenty (or too many) tournaments around which are open for anyone to enter. The County Champs however is not an open and should just be for players who have proven they are good enough to represent their county |
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Post by jelly on Oct 19, 2016 12:09:01 GMT
Hi, I'm quite new to the game, started playing in Surrey last year, and I just had an idea about how to encourage more people to be involved at a national level. In Surrey we have 4 'fun' competitions on the Saturday before a serious competition. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with them, (Blind pairs, mixed pairs, triples, and Interleague). These are all played with handicaps or some sort of way of pairing up people of different abilities fairly, so everyone no matter what their ability is going to get a decent number of games and also be in with a chance to win the competition.
Is there any scope for having some sort of similar fun / handicap competitions at a national level? I might be wrong but I'm not aware that anything like this exists at the moment.
Speaking as someone of moderate ability but keen to play, I would happily travel to one of the other counties to play this type of competition, where as the idea of travelling that far to an open and paying £10 (or whatever) for one game and to get knocked out in the 1st round is not appealing.
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Post by JB on Oct 19, 2016 12:52:31 GMT
Hi jell
Great to get thoughts from newer players.
Personally I don't think AEBBA (national) competitions is the place for fun competitions. County level -yes as Surrey do.
Among the reasons given for people not supporting some of the AEBBA events are
Too many Competitions, too far to travel, cost etc. I'm sure you've seen these on this thread.
I don't think people are going to travel to Oxford on a Saturday for a fun competition to then travel again on the Sunday. Or even travel up just on the Saturday for the fun competition.
I haven't checked entries for all your fun comps but I would guess there are very few players enter from outside the Southern Counties.
I'm sure if it was Oxford holding these there would not be many players from outside the Northern Counties.
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Post by jelly on Oct 19, 2016 13:19:24 GMT
Fair enough, but at the moment as all the AEBBA competitions are 'serious' competitions, they only cater for the top players in the game. I understand that preventing the decline of bar billiards is one of AEBBA's aims, and if they want to achieve that then surely they need to do something to engage the younger players and players of lower ability.
Another thought on that. Maybe this isn't AEBBAs domain but I'll throw it out there anyway. Do any of the leagues in and around the university towns do any promotion at the student's unions etc. I'm thinking Reading, Oxford, Portsmouth, etc. There are Pool and Snooker clubs and competitions at most universities, and I'm sure there would be groups of willing students who would be willing to form a team and play either in the local league or in national team competitions. Maybe this is a job for the individual leagues but it could potentially benefit from some coordinated effort and publicity from AEBBA. Just a thought!
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Post by JB on Oct 19, 2016 13:46:17 GMT
There's an AEBBA under 25's on 30th October in Didcot you could enter (not sure how old you are)
There definitely looking for entries
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Post by jelly on Oct 19, 2016 14:01:52 GMT
Too old unfortunately! But I do know that when I was at university I had no idea the league or bar billiards at a national level even existed and a poster in the students union would have definitely caught my attention!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 14:04:59 GMT
Hi Jell, From memory you're the guy who bought a Riley table for home use and refurbished it yourself to quite a high standard. Pleased to see that you are now playing in the Redhill League for the Nomads, and also taking part in the out-of-season competitions. The AEBBA are able to offer one competition under handicapped rules, this being the National "Alternative Rules" competition, where instead of "taking the break" to the two 50s each time, the balls are placed further down the table in a triangle. Theoretically it gives a so-called lesser player the chance to win a national event, but the top players are so good at adapting that an England International has won it for the last couple of years. This year's competition has just passed, but there is also the National Off-the-Spot Open taking place at Salfords Club this Sunday (the day after the Redhill Blind Pairs.) Regarding "university bar billiards" there are clubs at York University and also the University of East Anglia. A rather half-hearted attempt to get a challenge going between the two has so far failed. Cambridge University also have a pub sports club going which includes an annual bar billiards challenge. Have a look at this thread: barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/17108/university-bar-billiards-teamsSome of us have, in the last 4 years only, discovered the joys of the "Four Pin" version of the game where mushrooms are placed in front of the four high-value pockets. Far more difficult to score heavily and therefore a great leveller, this is mostly played only in East Anglia and the Fen district (where it is known as Snookerette). It is catching on in Kent and Sussex and also in Northants and Oxon, though not yet in the other counties, notably Surrey. Regards, tommo |
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Post by JB on Oct 19, 2016 14:49:49 GMT
Can someone confirm that any ideas suggestions people want to put forward only need to be discussed under AOB not put forward as rule changes
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 19, 2016 17:05:22 GMT
Changes to the constitution of County sides would necessitate a rule change
Based on the last published and now out of date 2013 AGM rules
This rule becomes impracticable if the Ladies play the Open sides in the Intercounties
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Post by Chris on Oct 19, 2016 22:40:33 GMT
this is supposed to be 'touring the counties' so could be passed to a different one next year.
At some stage any popular suggestions (ie those with a seconder) need to go onto the AGM 2016 thread.
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There is a county willing to hold off the spot next year but no discussions with AEBBA or Surrey have been held yet. It would be at West Sussex run by myself and Martin Cole but limited though to 64 entries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 22:55:00 GMT
It would be at West Sussex run by myself and Martin Cole ....... Better explain for those not in the know, presumably "within the area covered by the West Sussex League", viz Chichester area and over the Sussex/Hampshire border. As opposed to West Sussex, a county in its own right which includes Worthing, Horsham etc. |
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Post by Chris on Oct 20, 2016 19:58:29 GMT
Hi Clive
It would be a West Sussex event only, I would only be running the day as I do with Dawn re the Bucks, supported totally by Nigel with a schedule which I have already asked him about. Although I could adapt one.
The venue can only hold 8 tables hence the 64 restricted entries and AEBBA may not consider that, Surrey may wish to continue ... and so on. It will be an offer though.
Martin and I are also aware that if it is in West Sussex places may fill fast so it would be an early first come first served.
Thanks
Chris
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