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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 19:19:09 GMT
i devour new ideas in my daily work very similar to this, designing new stuff and trying out ideas. it makes me good money. money from your hobby and your passion.... Taffy Others have tried and - I reckon - failed to introduce modifications to bar billiards, an example being demonstrated in the following thread: barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/12014/trilliardsFour years down the line and still no indication of Trilliards catching on anywhere. Round about the same time, Birmingham Billiards designed a modern narrow table and offered to produce them for £1030, but there was no shutter or timing mechanism. The blurb has now been removed from their website, so they couldn't have sold many - if any ! The trouble is, bar billiards is a brilliant concept and design and you can't improve on perfection..... But considering the serious catalogue of blows the game has suffered (= advent of Pool in pubs, table manufacturers going out of business, tables being shipped abroad in their hundreds, drink/driving laws, wholesale closure of pubs, cessation of table hire operators with now only the Sussex one left) it's a miracle that it still survives at all ! |
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Post by taffy on Jan 15, 2017 19:43:35 GMT
i think you misunderstood me Tommo. I make my living from my hobby and my passion. I like having new ideas and seeing them work.
that doesn't mean making my living from bar billiards. ideas over here, making my living over there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 19:56:17 GMT
No I'm not suggesting that you are trying to make a bean out of the game, Taffy, sorry if I gave that impression.
In fact there is a small commercial market for stuff like turning pegs and for supplying electronic timers.
I just feel that having four variations (3-Pin, Off-the-Spot, 4-Pin, and Triangles) is quite sufficient and any more would serve to work against it by watering it down too much.
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Post by taffy on Jan 18, 2017 9:29:23 GMT
well this pink ball is working a treat! I think that I would have more trouble winning over cynics who say it is confusing than freshers who would get it straight away I think. but there is just always a ball in play and on the D, scores are higher overall due to 'workrate'. what with more solid skittles as well, the game is speeding up. it is losing its 'delicacy' and becoming an 'attacking' game
Pink Ball
Target: keep the game moving, continuous play. it is a reserve red for non-stop play. it is also a reserve white so that you don't have to go 'nearest ball'.
side benefit:
after the gate has dropped, the game can be like chess.
the pink ball is a second red and to be only used as a red when the real red is dropping. this allows continuous play.
if the whites are also exhausted or the last one is going down, the pink can be a substitute but must be called by the player 'white' when placed on the D. if it scores from this shot it gets a 'white' score but if it stays on the table it is a red for scoring next time down. this way it can be forgotten after the shot and left for what it is.
if the pink is up and only the red is in the trough, and a white is required - red can't be used and nearest ball required.
it is only possible to have two reds on the table therefore if the pink came up as a 'white' substitute but stayed. it is possible to just put down non-stop single reds for example as long as the whites stay out the way.
THIS CHANGE IS STAYING.
next items on the agenda are Alan Taylor's Mush-tittle. I'm getting a set. my 18mm based red on the 200 is so fat its blocking out the light! I want more 200 shots!
secondly, one for Sav this:
I'm looking to:
1) remove the leatherette bar at the near end temporarily
2) shunt the side cushions nearer-temporarily
3) move the back strip forward 5, 10 or 15mm-temporarily
the reason:
I can't get the 200 diagonal-it catches the 10 pocket if I give it some side. I still can't quite separate the reverse 100 and 200. sure it's skill but I want it to be a little easier.
this may help and I want to spread the '20's outwards 5mm each and the '10's out a further 5mm making a total of 10mm. now the 200 diagonal is catching now on the edge of the 10 hole so I need to get the 200 out of the corner and look one day to spread the holes a little and still be able too. But something has to give and bringing the back cushion forwards to me or the holes backwards. but to test it, I can bring the back cushion forwards for the same effect and learn what happens.
it is all a balance. a very delicate balance.
I've asked a couple of times about the positioning of a skittle v a mushroom. so, I shall make fresh markers when I get the Mush-tittles and they will reflect the advantage that a mushroom has using scientific methods....but you knew that!
regards
Taffy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 11:19:57 GMT
WTF !  |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 18, 2017 13:41:10 GMT
WTF ! think woodstock had a lot to do with it, tommo, it take a fair time to get out of the system you know, and i've got a medical next saturday! |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 18, 2017 13:44:17 GMT
I'm lost, hope you haven't gotta get more ointment for your balls gandalf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:48:23 GMT
Well, Taffy has pink balls - I hope his legs aren't chafing too much.  Modifying the kit to accommodate the shots is a new one on me. And a reserve red or reserve white and mentions of chess: does he play with a spare king on standby in case the first one gets checkmated ?  |
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Post by alanturner on Jan 18, 2017 15:26:20 GMT
well this pink ball is working a treat! I think that I would have more trouble winning over cynics who say it is confusing than freshers who would get it straight away I think. but there is just always a ball in play and on the D, scores are higher overall due to 'workrate'. what with more solid skittles as well, the game is speeding up. it is losing its 'delicacy' and becoming an 'attacking' game Pink Ball Target: keep the game moving, continuous play. it is a reserve red for non-stop play. it is also a reserve white so that you don't have to go 'nearest ball'. side benefit: after the gate has dropped, the game can be like chess. the pink ball is a second red and to be only used as a red when the real red is dropping. this allows continuous play. if the whites are also exhausted or the last one is going down, the pink can be a substitute but must be called by the player 'white' when placed on the D. if it scores from this shot it gets a 'white' score but if it stays on the table it is a red for scoring next time down. this way it can be forgotten after the shot and left for what it is. if the pink is up and only the red is in the trough, and a white is required - red can't be used and nearest ball required. it is only possible to have two reds on the table therefore if the pink came up as a 'white' substitute but stayed. it is possible to just put down non-stop single reds for example as long as the whites stay out the way. THIS CHANGE IS STAYING. next items on the agenda are Alanturner Mush-tittle. I'm getting a set. my 18mm based red on the 200 is so fat its blocking out the light! I want more 200 shots! secondly, one for Sav this: I'm looking to: 1) remove the leatherette bar at the near end temporarily 2) shunt the side cushions nearer-temporarily 3) move the back strip forward 5, 10 or 15mm-temporarily the reason: I can't get the 200 diagonal-it catches the 10 pocket if I give it some side. I still can't quite separate the reverse 100 and 200. sure it's skill but I want it to be a little easier. this may help and I want to spread the '20's outwards 5mm each and the '10's out a further 5mm making a total of 10mm. now the 200 diagonal is catching now on the edge of the 10 hole so I need to get the 200 out of the corner and look one day to spread the holes a little and still be able too. But something has to give and bringing the back cushion forwards to me or the holes backwards. but to test it, I can bring the back cushion forwards for the same effect and learn what happens. it is all a balance. a very delicate balance. I've asked a couple of times about the positioning of a skittle v a mushroom. so, I shall make fresh markers when I get the Mush-tittles and they will reflect the advantage that a mushroom has using scientific methods....but you knew that! regards Taffy Daffy := Its Alanturner..............not Taylor |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 18, 2017 15:42:13 GMT
Didn't Allan Turner run a pub in eastenders?
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Post by alanturner on Jan 18, 2017 15:59:23 GMT
Didn't Allan Turner run a pub in eastenders? Maybe he did but I bet it didn't have a Bar Billiards Table Alanturner |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 18, 2017 16:02:28 GMT
He probably didn't have pink balls either
Totally random but I do remember seeing a scene in dad's army where they were in the pub and there was a bar billiards table in the background
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 17:11:57 GMT
Didn't Allan Turner run a pub in eastenders? It was the Woolpack in Emmerdale and no it didn't have a bar billiards table. |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 18, 2017 17:17:49 GMT
Aha I was close
But the pub in dad's army definitely had a bar billiards table
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Post by taffy on Jun 10, 2017 9:04:30 GMT
next items on the agenda are Mush-tittles. I'm getting a set. my 18mm based red on the 200 is so fat its blocking out the light! I want more 200 shots! secondly, one for Sav this: I'm looking to: 1) remove the leatherette bar at the near end temporarily 2) shunt the side cushions nearer-temporarily 3) move the back strip forward 5, 10 or 15mm-temporarily the reason: I can't get the 200 diagonal-it catches the 10 pocket if I give it some side. I still can't quite separate the reverse 100 and 200. sure it's skill but I want it to be a little easier. this may help and I want to spread the '20's outwards 5mm each and the '10's out a further 5mm making a total of 10mm. now the 200 diagonal is catching now on the edge of the 10 hole so I need to get the 200 out of the corner and look one day to spread the holes a little and still be able too. But something has to give and bringing the back cushion forwards to me or the holes backwards. but to test it, I can bring the back cushion forwards for the same effect and learn what happens. it is all a balance. a very delicate balance. regards Taffy I thought I'd report on the above as it has been many, many months since I did some changes. first of all, I DID take the leather covered bar off the front and tuck it in the back  this has really helped the diagonal shot out of the corner back to the 200 hole without catching the '10' pockets. it is now 5mm under the minimum AEBBA rules however, AEBBA rules seem to be adhered to in varying amounts! so when the slate goes in, it will have the extra 5mm. The Mushtittles are like the red one in the middle of this photo, it is the same weight as the mushrooms but has the maximum AEBBA base of 18mm. they allow more shots but they have a habit of not falling over when initially hit but on their way back! most frustrating as you always think you got away with it.......and then you haven't! the big shot that CANNOT be played well is the reverse 200 from between the 30 and 20 holes. the ball is clearly on its way back to the 200 hole AND going to miss the 100 peg when it catches the rim and takes the peg down. so i want pockets with a narrower 'collection' area. i find that the old brown backolite pockets catch a lot but only half catch them and they fly off. in the meantime, the later plastic red rings have a narrower collection area and are a little clearer on 'in' or 'out'. this means the pins stay up longer. I'd still like a set of the 'easydrops' if anyone has a set? (with the 4 slots in them to make the balls fall faster). This by the way, was the preferred choice in the old BSE and Nmkt league. everyone just wanted the balls down and gone and not to see them 'rimming' all the time. Sav had a set of rings with him at the Sudbury tournament back in march that have a very narrow defined top lip and these may suit my purpose, alas Sav hasn't been around for a while? anyone seen him? anyway, I have bought a pool slate and hope in the not too distant future to try and fit it. regards Taffy |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 10, 2017 9:12:22 GMT
Been away on classic motorcycle rallies most of the last month (more seizures!), will get in touch.
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Post by taffy on Jun 10, 2017 9:25:17 GMT
cheers sav!  is this the brady bunch? Monsters inc? other than the mushroom on the right these are all Alan Turner's work including the monster at the back....don't say he hasn't got a sense of humour!!! Taffy |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jun 10, 2017 21:06:02 GMT
perhaps we should also think of changing 3 pin for the better, now that's a challenge  |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jun 11, 2017 9:42:24 GMT
perhaps we should also think of changing 3 pin for the better, now that's a challenge Thats easy, just add an extra peg  |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 12, 2017 13:57:14 GMT
 Taffy; got a set of very old rings in an old ex Jersey slate that appear to be in excellent condition (assuming they come out OK). They are the wider throat easy-drop pockets used in Jersey where the balls are far less likely to ring |
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Post by taffy on Jun 14, 2017 13:28:31 GMT
cheers for the offer Sav but the set you showed me at sudbury were a dark brown with a sharp cornered and thin top edge. if they are no longer available - i understand sir! no worries.
the jersey rings can still be bought new and I'm not going there quite yet. the 'footprint'I.e. the diameter of the drop is what i first want to reduce. I'm about to buy some plastic tube and have it turned down if you don't!
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Post by taffy on Jun 14, 2017 13:29:30 GMT
cheers for the offer Sav but the set you showed me at sudbury were a dark brown with a sharp cornered and thin top edge. if they are no longer available - i understand sir! no worries. the jersey rings can still be bought new and I'm not going there quite yet. the 'footprint'I.e. the diameter of the drop is what i first want to reduce. I'm about to buy some plastic tube and have it turned down if you don't have them available! cheers Taffy |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 14, 2017 14:32:28 GMT
Close but no cigar!
The brown set I have are very similar profile to traditional rings but without the ridging on the outside of the hole. I won't use them as I have sets of traditional rings (not for sale).
Don't know where you get the idea you can purchase Jersey rings from as you most certainly cannot (apart from one member whom has turned some). The only rings for sale that I have seen are cheap and nasty, too shallow and too wide a diameter.
My understanding was that you wanted the balls to drop quickly and for that you need original Jersey rings with the wider throat but same exterior diameter,
What are you seeking to achieve please? I can supply a set of the brown rings or proper Jersey rings.
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Post by taffy on Jun 14, 2017 23:14:20 GMT
well the peradons on ebay are jersey rings but just cheap and nasty. there are no traditional rings left I believe.
yes I want a quicker dropping ball AND recently the balls have caught the edge of the 100 pocket more than I want coming back to the 200 off the top cushion.
so I am making that my FIRST priority and I think your rings might suit as they had a very thin top edge?
if you still would like to sell those then I'll take them! if I like the 'drop' and like the narrow area they grab then that bit is achieved. a wide diameter and easy drop will depend afterwards.it will depend on the first test.
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Post by taffy on Jul 20, 2017 14:51:01 GMT
 above is the first ring I've had made of black Acetal a form of plastic. it has a very defined 'edge' to the hole and because there's no funnel effect it makes the top horizontal look very wide and there is little forgiveness when fitting the ring in the table....it may as well be bloody marble! It makes a very high pitched ring as the ball spins inside the hole, higher than the competition tables and very audible. I've made the entrance therefore SMALLER, the edge of the hole is now more acute but the actual hole diameter is larger, up from 50mm to 51mm or 2" to you and me and don't say 'what is two inches' because i'll ask yer wife!!!  I wanted to be able to play past the (waisted stem 'bishop's finger' photo'd in white above second from the right) pin without rimming and having the skittle down. with the object ball almost halfway between the middle (30) and the 20 holes with the reverse shot,this has worked a treat and the 200 shot is 'on'. the ball just rolls over the flat bit and carries on back into the 200 hole. when it rims it only does it for 30-60 degrees so the chance of catching the pin are smaller and it would have to be a reverse ball shot to catch it. is it easier or harder? well, just the same BUT the pin doesn't go down with the rimming now. a bad shot is a bad shot! same as ever! I'm still under 6mm from the hole so i still lose plenty of points. I'm having another set of pins made by Alan Turner. I can get 9 new rings made like this one but the OD will be a LOT narrower so there'll be no flat area on top to hamper the game in anyway. the holes will be made in readiness for the slate bed I'm putting on the table = smaller drilled holes in the slate. I'll let you see the pins when they are made....soon! regards Taffy |
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