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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 21:41:16 GMT
We all recognise how tirelessly people like yourself work, so an official update or request for help if needed would be appreciated. I'm wondering how that's going to come about with this forum not being used for any official communication from our governing body, and a website that currently does not exist to post AEBBA related information? I feel a little left in the dark.... I must admit that I have been labouring under the misapprehension that this Forum had been recognised by the AEBBA a few years back as its 'official mouthpiece'. When I try to research when this came about, all I could find was this: From Dave New proposals for the 2010 AGM 2) British Bar Billiards forum to be the official voice for the AEBBA.......and this: Re Dave's request for the forum to be recognised by AEBBA, some flack for the running of the forum and the questionable impartiality of it's officers came from Dave Barnes which I rebuked in the strongest terms. The meeting accepted the vital communications role (but nothing more) the forum has and the efficient structure of its management. It's 300 members and the 300 daily non members visitors is the only publicity the game gets to show the it is still alive. Sav. Am I alone in wondering when the AEBBA will be dragged screaming into the 21st century ??  |
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Post by BB Warrior on Jun 21, 2015 8:27:39 GMT
Firstly, I would like to add my thanks to those above to Chris Saville for all of the work that he has done within AEBBA, his help and support within the AEBBA Committee has been fantastic over the last few years.  Without doubt, his resignation from the many roles that he performed for AEBBA will mean that other people will have to take on more areas of responsibility. This has been the subject of much communication within the AEBBA Committee during the past few weeks and clearly it is important that we get the right people to take on the right roles.... both in the short-term for the rest of this year and also looking further ahead into the future.  I would hope that everybody must understand that no announcements should be made until AEBBA has completed this process and a meeting has been held to discuss everything that has happened in the last couple of months. These are AEBBA COMMITTEE decisions, not something that should be decided by any individuals and also not something that needs to be openly discussed here.  There will be a meeting of the AEBBA Committee on Sunday 28th June after the England match in Surrey, I would expect that further information will be available after that.  Until that has meeting has taken place, I would ask that people here have some patience.... |
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Post by The Chubbster™ on Jun 21, 2015 8:39:41 GMT
That all makes sense, thanks Dave.
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Post by dipper on Jun 21, 2015 17:07:23 GMT
How do you get onto the All England Website, I cannot access it.
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Post by The Bullet on Aug 22, 2015 7:25:24 GMT
With the web site down (sadly) are the rankings listed anywhere?
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 22, 2015 7:33:13 GMT
With the web site down (sadly) are the rankings listed anywhere? if you search "members" for nigels and goto "recent threads" you should be able to find the last set of results, probably wont get updated till after the 6th Sep open |
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Post by The Bullet on Aug 22, 2015 7:43:37 GMT
Found it, thanks.
In the top 40 and chasing Trevor, can't be bad.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 22, 2015 8:01:09 GMT
Others on the charge Damien Coates and Matt Knight!
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 22, 2015 11:09:32 GMT
With the web site down (sadly) are the rankings listed anywhere? I have offered to reinstate the website for the remainder of the time I am helping Chrissie with the accounts, to give AEBBA a chance to transfer to a new one but, as seems usual with AEBBA, no answer to my offer. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 12:50:16 GMT
 At the moment Nigel's Newsletters are unobtainable as they are linked to it..... Would be good to have this years' Opens incorporated too before we lose it once more: "a stitch in time saves nine" as they say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:45:38 GMT
Welcome back to an old friend !  |
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Post by BigPhilMac on Mar 4, 2016 9:32:31 GMT
Welcome back to an old friend ! Is it back up and running again? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 11:40:14 GMT
Is it back up and running again? I came upon it by chance when Googling "Billingshurst Bar Billiards". You won't find it any more under aebba.org.uk though. |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 4, 2016 14:08:59 GMT
The AEBBA.org URL is still active and pointing at my personal hosting space for another year and available if AEBBA want it transferred to a new hosting.
AEBBA were given the full content of the old site several months ago with the offer I made at the time to reinstate the old site until a handover could be completed.
I am also aware of stagecoachgames.com/ but have no idea of its origin or authenticity. Info on it is patchy.
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Post by Chris on Mar 4, 2016 22:09:00 GMT
Hi Sav
It's authenticity? Could I ask what that means ? What information would be required here as a host site for anyone accessing it?
Thanks
Chris x
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 5, 2016 8:54:27 GMT
Authenticity - I've no idea and there is no indication on the stagecoach site stagecoachgames.com/ as to whether this is the prototype new AEBBA site or whether it's a spoof independent site such as
www.billiardsforum.info/pool-rules/bar-billiards-rules.asp?done=1
Often these imitation sites are phishing sites that suck people into giving away personal info by registering etc.
If AEBBA want to transfer the AEBBA.org.uk URL to any new hosting then I would need to know where the hosting would be and I would then approach the registrants to transfer the registration to AEBBA control instead of mine. It's not something I have done before but I would guess the registrants would just need a letter of authority from me and the I.P. addresses of the now hosting where the 'name servers' would newly point to.
The way it works is that the URL is centrally registered on universal domain name servers where the URL AEBBA.org.uk is pointed to a physical I.P. address of where the site is actually held. It's like a telephone book having lots of individuals' numbers stored. That central register would need updating to the number of the new hosting for people to be able to find it. The easiest way would be for AEBBA to purchase a small hosting at the same place I have mine.
I take it nothing successful came of your hopes to be able to get the site re-hosted last autumn?
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Post by daveuk1 on Mar 5, 2016 11:39:33 GMT
These are my thoughts and I must stress nothing to do with Suffolk
I find it not only amazing but also a disgrace that the AEBBA doesn't have a web site. It seems people are happy to sit back while others give their time free to try to better our game. I'm sure at one AGM I heard talks about trying to get a promotions person and giving them a budget to spend, thankfully it never happened, but if there was money available for that surely it would be far better spent on paying someone to run an official web site rather than hoping someone will do it off their own back and at their own expense. Here in Suffolk we promote our own game with great success, newspaper reports every week, word of mouth and local radio. We already know of at least one new team (all youngsters) who will be joining our league next season so it is working for us.
We work hard in Suffolk and use our competitions to raise money for charity, not just
our open but also competions during our league season and this really helps to raise our profile within our community. But on that note in the past while begging for sponsorship and donations towards our open, I have been able to direct people to the AEBBA web site which has really helped, this year the only option I've had is to guide people towards a message board.
I really think its time for the AEBBA to grow up and move with times, a web site is vital for us, can we really expect to entice new people into our game when we don't seem to even be able to keep our own house in order.
Buying a domain name can only cost a few pence, the real expense is setting up and running a website and why should someone be expected to pay for this out of their own pocket? For far too long so many have relied on so few to do everything for them. If we wish to continue down this route then surely the 'few' need to be appreciated and rewarded and I dont mean by the odd thank you. People must spend hours of their own time working out rankings, producing news letters etc.
Like I say these are only my thoughts and I really hope I havent upset anyone as that was never my intentions, now I've had my Saturday morning rant its time to duck out and carry on with the decorating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 12:17:08 GMT
Steady on, Dave !
We were rather spoiled by having an excellent AEBBA website, with huge extension files - accessible via links to display whole transcripts of tournaments.
But I can state from experience, once things start to go wrong they can take ages to rectify.
I think with this comment....
....Sav answered his own question, as stagecoachgames.com looks pretty authentic to me and my guess is that it is a "holding" website commissioned by AEBBA last autumn as he suggested.
Most of the old information seems to have been salvaged, some good work already done on re-ordering of menus, and just a question now of loading up the last year or so's worth of results.
It now needs the relevant parties to get together and decide who is responsible for owning whatever Domain is to be used and where it is to be hosted. If AEBBA do have a fault, it's in the habitual lack of communication, which is understandable as the officials are spread so far and wide.
So let's celebrate the fact that, with a bit of luck and a fair wind (and a lot of hard work no doubt by someone behind the scenes which will as usual go unrewarded) we will in due course be seeing the (official) return of an old friend !
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Post by Chris on Mar 5, 2016 23:53:09 GMT
Hi Chris, Clive, DaveUK1 www.stagecoachgames.com is as you say Clive only a holding site. The site is safe and not a spoof or phishing site Chris, it has no commercial side to it and no one is required to log in to use it, only the administrator. The site is to do with me, as your offer was not taken up and time was just passing on, with nothing available my IT expert sorted it. It will be held there probably until the end of this year, It is being worked on and updated by Nigel Senior but it takes a great deal of time to restore past data, as Clive said,especially if you are working all day. Nigel has already made some great inroads into the backfill of information, whilst streamlining information more clearly. We don't have anyone who is retired and can sort it quickly and we certainly have no monies to pay anyone. We do have tables to repair and re-cover and after a few years will have a van to replace yet again, which all our cash will take. So all this work has to be voluntary Nigel is more than happy for all to view the site and for you to know he is working on it, following a discussion we had today. Could I though ask that any suggestions on what else might be needed on there/the rate of progress with the site be left at present for the next 12 months. He has far to much to do with putting on past information at present. Thanks Chris x |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 0:30:00 GMT
Hi Chrissie,
Thanks for the explanation and I really do think that your IT whizz kid and Nigel between them have so far done a fabulous job.
There is already sufficient content to satisfy the most avid of readers and we should all pledge to be patient - in the knowledge that updates will eventually happen no matter how long it takes.
I note that some of Tony (Barbelman)'s work on the front end has been incorporated: To access this you have to go to 'how to play the game' on the drop down menu under 'Rules' and then click on the words 'see here' which takes you to some more menu options....... It's all good stuff.
tommo
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Post by BB Warrior on Mar 6, 2016 18:44:52 GMT
These are my thoughts and I must stress nothing to do with Suffolk I find it not only amazing but also a disgrace that the AEBBA doesn't have a web site. It seems people are happy to sit back while others give their time free to try to better our game. I'm sure at one AGM I heard talks about trying to get a promotions person and giving them a budget to spend, thankfully it never happened, but if there was money available for that surely it would be far better spent on paying someone to run an official web site rather than hoping someone will do it off their own back and at their own expense. Here in Suffolk we promote our own game with great success, newspaper reports every week, word of mouth and local radio. We already know of at least one new team (all youngsters) who will be joining our league next season so it is working for us. We work hard in Suffolk and use our competitions to raise money for charity, not just our open but also competions during our league season and this really helps to raise our profile within our community. But on that note in the past while begging for sponsorship and donations towards our open, I have been able to direct people to the AEBBA web site which has really helped, this year the only option I've had is to guide people towards a message board. I really think its time for the AEBBA to grow up and move with times, a web site is vital for us, can we really expect to entice new people into our game when we don't seem to even be able to keep our own house in order. Buying a domain name can only cost a few pence, the real expense is setting up and running a website and why should someone be expected to pay for this out of their own pocket? For far too long so many have relied on so few to do everything for them. If we wish to continue down this route then surely the 'few' need to be appreciated and rewarded and I dont mean by the odd thank you. People must spend hours of their own time working out rankings, producing news letters etc. Like I say these are only my thoughts and I really hope I havent upset anyone as that was never my intentions, now I've had my Saturday morning rant its time to duck out and carry on with the decorating. Having just returned from a very successfully run AEBBA Weekend in Bournemouth, I was looking forward to reading some posts thanking all of the people who voluntarily give up hours of their time to enable us all to enjoy playing our game. I am very glad that I did read some of those messages before I read the post above. The AEBBA have run a very informative website for many years thanks to the hard work of a few individuals and I am very glad that Suffolk have benefitted from that during the last couple of years that they have been running their open and had membership of AEBBA. Sadly, the old website was taken down last year however the information and records were saved. During the last few months more hard-working volunteers have been giving up their time to start building a new website.... my thanks goes to them for all of the work that they have already done on that. As has been said by others, AEBBA do not have the finances to employ somebody to run a website for them so our volunteers will have to continue their good work to enable people to gain information about our game.... and also get sponsorship as well apparently. I just hope that those volunteers know that they are appreciated by the VAST MAJORITY of people within the game and don't get "upset" by one person having their "Saturday morning rant".  |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 7, 2016 10:48:01 GMT
Slight correction on the above, AEBBA have NEVER run the website.
I built the website some twenty years ago. AEBBA have never had the slightest input to its design, cost and maintenance apart from Nigel's maintenance of the stats that I had to translate into web format. It's only in the last couple of years that AEBBA have even paid for the URL. The cost of the very large hosting has always been borne within the webspace that I own. You won't find much in the way of thanks or even a mention of the existence of the website at any AGM minutes in any of the last ten years that I have.
The information on the site was freely given to AEBBA by me when the site was closed down due to my retiring from maintaining the AEBBA tables, assisting table deliveries, running the website and running Bournemouth with Chrissie. The closure of the site was exactly one month after my notice of intent to the AEBBA committee had frustratingly gone unacknowledged and never has been since in writing. My offers to reinstate the site pending a controlled handover have also never even been acknowledged.
Dave L. is correct from the point of view that AEBBA have gone from being heavily reliant on one volunteer to Chrissie Newson adopting many of the functions I formerly covered and she is not retired. During my year as AEBBA Treasurer to sort the then financial mess and unchecked accounts I told the entire AEBBA committee that it was the most uncommunicative committee I had ever worked on, my opinion has not changed. |
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Post by daveuk1 on Mar 7, 2016 11:54:26 GMT
I apologise if I have upset anyone, that was never my intentions
I have only been involved with this message board for about three years so have no idea how things worked before, but as I have not been blinkered by previous events it was obvious in my eyes that the AEBBA seems to rely heavily on just a few individuals. The web site, table deliveries, keeping records and rankings upto date seem to fall on the shoulders of the same few people, who as far as we can see get little or no recognition for all their hard work.
I hope we all love the game and as such should all pull together. Many hands make light work and all that. I have no idea how much something as basic as a web site takes to run but surely that should be a priority?
Once again sorry if I have upset anyone with my comments
Dave
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Post by Chris on Mar 7, 2016 18:50:54 GMT
Dear Dave Sav did a great deal of work and we cannot replace him re his time and efforts in ensuring all was done. We that are now doing and maintaining the website have full time jobs. So you will get what we can do and all on the committee do as much as they can whilst still working. They do it for the love of the game and it's future. We I am sure know you meant no offence, maybe best to seek information first before posting  And thank you Chris x |
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Post by NigelS on Mar 18, 2016 13:28:38 GMT
Hi everyone, Just in addition to Chrissie’s response above I have been recently working on the AEBBA site for a couple of months and have made good progress with getting open results on in a nice format and some rankings and a few other bits and pieces. As Chrissie says the website can be found at www.stagecoachgames.com. At some point in the future we will look to move it to a bar billiards domain name. Feel free to take a look at what is on there so far. I have completed the Surrey Open records and there are some nice stats on there – you know I like my stats! I intend to complete similar records for all AEBBA/ National Opens. Any feedback/ suggestions are welcome – but please be patient, I would say that it will take a while to get everything up to date. This is where I may need some help – I would like to get all the results on there going back as far as possible. This will also help with some other nice stuff that could be done around head to head records between players etc. So I just need some help with some data inputting. I have found a fairly pain free way of getting opens that have been played post Pete Farelly’s BBQ into the database as I had all of these on spreadsheets – this takes me back to around 2008. Before that the only record of open results are on the BBQs and they need transferring into the spreadsheet format, but I have also made a start on this - but it is on these pre 2008 opens I could do with the help. So I have the format – I just need a few volunteers to help, knowing your way round excel spreadsheets would be handy. Any person willing to help can do a much or as little as they like, depends on what time you have really. There is no timescale for this project, so no pressure from me cracking the whip for completed spreadsheets – I get enough of that at work  I am optimistic once we get this done, we will have a very good website for the AEBBA. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:28:17 GMT
Yep Nigel, I'm willing to help with the donkey work. Regards, tommo |
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Post by JB on Mar 18, 2016 15:31:51 GMT
Happy to help
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 18, 2016 16:37:14 GMT
Hi Nige
Am ready willing and sort of able to help where i can
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Post by barbelman on Mar 18, 2016 17:19:05 GMT
Yes!
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Post by Coleman Jnr on Mar 21, 2016 17:16:24 GMT
Hi everyone, Just in addition to Chrissie’s response above I have been recently working on the AEBBA site for a couple of months and have made good progress with getting open results on in a nice format and some rankings and a few other bits and pieces. As Chrissie says the website can be found at www.stagecoachgames.com. At some point in the future we will look to move it to a bar billiards domain name. Feel free to take a look at what is on there so far. I have completed the Surrey Open records and there are some nice stats on there – you know I like my stats! I intend to complete similar records for all AEBBA/ National Opens. Any feedback/ suggestions are welcome – but please be patient, I would say that it will take a while to get everything up to date. This is where I may need some help – I would like to get all the results on there going back as far as possible. This will also help with some other nice stuff that could be done around head to head records between players etc. So I just need some help with some data inputting. I have found a fairly pain free way of getting opens that have been played post Pete Farelly’s BBQ into the database as I had all of these on spreadsheets – this takes me back to around 2008. Before that the only record of open results are on the BBQs and they need transferring into the spreadsheet format, but I have also made a start on this - but it is on these pre 2008 opens I could do with the help. So I have the format – I just need a few volunteers to help, knowing your way round excel spreadsheets would be handy. Any person willing to help can do a much or as little as they like, depends on what time you have really. There is no timescale for this project, so no pressure from me cracking the whip for completed spreadsheets – I get enough of that at work I am optimistic once we get this done, we will have a very good website for the AEBBA. I can help where required, can use excel pretty well, and pretty clued up with all the formula's and that |
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