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Post by enzo on Mar 7, 2011 10:43:41 GMT
I make Romans Diff 13 :) (44-31)
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Post by enzo on Mar 4, 2011 12:46:49 GMT
Coxy just txt me and said that WTC won 4-1 last night :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 4, 2011 12:18:29 GMT
Chairmans Shield games 1pt for win Chairmans Cup 2pts There are ranking points for competitions and these are explained on the web site. You didn't read my question TJ ;) I was asking about the prelims, I know you get pts in the Chairmans ;D I figure you do get pts in the prelims as you've added them to some people's stats on the wdbbl site :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 4, 2011 12:11:20 GMT
Well I'm glad someone 'fixed' the problem as there were a few murmurs about how this table can be in competitions but not the Schooner ;)
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Post by enzo on Mar 4, 2011 10:04:45 GMT
Atlas B 3 Cask Club 2 Table was really not friendly tonight, discovered that one leg was loose after the match was played which hopefully will mean it is nicer next time we play there..... ::) Ahh, that's why it was playing so bad Weds!! :( The Henty had some problem a month or 2 back! :-/
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Post by enzo on Mar 4, 2011 9:11:39 GMT
Henty A 1 - 4 Gardeners B R.Driver 1710 - 2180 L.Hickman J.Whittle 1790 - 2820 C.Oakley D.Whittle 850 - 1870 D.Hickman G.Brett 2520 - 970 D.Driscoll R.Appleby 2020 - 2250 P.Hickman Great game on a weird but playable table :) the break was ridiculously thin but Rob admitted afterwards that when he brushed the table, the spot came off so he probably didn't get it back exactly where it was ??? Either way, I was positive of the win from the start and quickly made it 1-0 despite the scores!! Chris Oakley was the only one that seemed to string a 2k break together and then lose it on a split shot :o he still had enough to beat an unlucky James. Damo limped home the 3-0 win over Derek, whilst Gordon made light work of an even unluckier Danny. This table seems to be his nemisis, 3 games and scoring 970 total! Oops :( Ros and Pete decided to have a good little battle to wrap it all up, and a 200 shot and the end would mean a last ball win for Ros 2 weeks running, but no luck! Pete made sure of the 100 to make it 4-1 Grub was lovely as always, Chips with mini Pasties and the like :) Next weeks game at the Atlas a title decider ? Maybe ;D We're not so quick to jump to any conclusions in our Div this year.. not after losing in the last game by 0.5pts last year! :o
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 12:06:32 GMT
Sorry, figure of speech, not implying anything by suggesting individual leagues :D
I'll have to examine the AEBBA and SCBBA rules and determine any major differences.
I've just re-read my own post above, and maybe it's biased. Maybe it should be open for discussion first whether individual leagues CAN or CANNOT change certain rules to suit their league/competitions before we start making everyone's the same.
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 11:48:19 GMT
If it's touching it comes back, yes physics define that something can touch something without moving it etc, but its Bar Billiards for **** sake! lol
The thing I hate about this is that scorers are biased as to whether the ball comes back (especially if this means their team mate gets the break back), they could do the action so quickly that the peg may well go on the spot, but would be tricky for their team mate.
On the contrary, the pegs are usually larger than the spots, so some biased scorers (especially when their team mate's apponent is on the table) place the peg so it is only just covering the spot but as near to the impeding ball as possible, rather than centralising it as they would do if no ball was near to the spot. This results in the ball being unplayable and forcing the next player to foul. Similarly, this could be done the same way but away from the ball to give the team mate the advantage.
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 11:41:48 GMT
I didn't realise there was another thread for this rule, I've discussed this in the AEBBA rule section. Both sides have strong points, the player could be seen as at fault by not securely placing the ball down, but if the ball does fall of the D as you are playing your shot, it is a foul as it isn't on the D.
I think the foul has to stand as someone could quite easily miss their shot and do a David Beckham and claim it rolled of the spot therefore no foul. Your table must be in playable condition though, and if it cannot hold the ball correctly then one could refuse to play?
The part I hate about balls rolling off the spot is that some people whack the ball down to make it stay.. I'm not too keen on that myself, If you cracked my tables slate I'd crack you! :(
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 11:30:59 GMT
There is nothing more irritating than two players taking 5 or 6 shots each, at the 100 hole, to 'finish' a game off, when one of the players may be 1000s in front. ::) :-/ Granted, but for obsessive stat lovers like myself, I would expect the game to be finished whether I'm thousands behind or ahead. I'd rather have the extra score on my averages even if they've beaten/lost to me by 1000's. :) This is why I also hate people who conceed prematurely, as it is selfish - my averages etc are now inaccurate due to an anomaly that the sore loser caused.
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 11:26:09 GMT
That is what I understood it to be, that by affiliation, all counties and in turn all leagues should play under the AEBBA rules. Understandable that these have been adapted to suit each league, but these issues should be brought before the Sussex committee/AE committee and then it be decided.
I only play by the AEBBA rules, as I don't agree with the politics of it all with comments such as "That's not how we play it in the Littlehampton" or "You wouldn't get away with that in the Mid-Sussex".
I for one suggest that perhaps at the next Sussex AGM (with the view of taking this to the AEBBA AGM and making all counties do the same), that at the bare minimum all the leagues within our county must conform to the same set of rules, and any discrepencies between the rules be sorted there and then. It may seem like a lot of hassle for little outcome, but when you have interleagues and open competitions then the rules shouldn't change as soon as you step over a boarder.
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 10:34:38 GMT
... when the foul of a white peg occurs, it sometimes takes several balls with it, and no attempt is made then to restore the position.. I'm of the same opinion, although a foul has been committed, the shot was 'good' but the foul arose from an unforced error so wherever the balls land is where the next player takes it from. I don't think the ball that mounted a cushion should be classed as 'dead' or likened to the ball being chipped off the table, as the foul is enough punishment for the player and would be too hard to enforce. On the other hand, someone bumping into the player whilst taking a shot is a forced error and the balls should be (or at least attempted to be) replaced in their original positions. RE the lip situation: I remember disputing this with Richard Bulling last year, who had the strong view that the ball had not finished moving when it went down from the lip, so you are breaching another rule by playing a shot whilst ball(s) are still moving -> loss of break. He added that this was only when the player was continuing a break, not when a new player comes to the table after the original player left the ball on the lip. I've seen this happen a lot when a player is rushing to get the break back, and assume the ball is stationary on the lip but has no time to wait 5 seconds to confirm it has stopped. The cue ball cannot be deemed as 'dead' after attempting a lip-shot that fell in, as if you were whip around a pocket and knock another ball in the hole, you would expect to be credited with both balls. The object ball would merely have to be 'immune' to a foul during that shot, and if such foul was committed then the ball should be returned to baulk and the break contiuned (and no additional score for that shot should be awarded, only the ball that dropped in). Best Case Scenario: Ball on lip of the 30, another ball in the corner, player goes for the one on the lip, which drops before the cue ball gets there causing the cue to play the ball in the corner and score a 30-20. Break back. Is this fair? It seems so as no foul is committed.
Worst Case Scenario: Ball on lip of 30, player goes for the shot but the object ball drops before the cue ball reaches it, causing it to whip around the 30 and drop into the 200 whilst ringing and taking out the black peg. Unfair on 2 counts.. loss of score and giving the opponent the break back.
Does the scorer:
A) Call it an unlucky shot and clear the player's score and award the opponent the break. B) Class the object ball as 'immune' to a foul, and award the player the break. C) Demand the ball be placed as near to 'on the lip' as it can and the player retake their shot.
All of the above seem unfair, A is in favour of the oponent as it was an unforced error that caused him to lose his score, B is in favour of the player as the player has now got the break back whereas if the ball hadn't dropped he may not have got the 2 balls down. C is a bit of a compromise and is similar to the 'bumping the player' but is still quite unenforceable.
Richard then argued that this issue ties in with the ball rolling of the D foul shot. The table seems to be at fault, therefore if the ball rolls of the D when you play the shot, this has to either be called a foul or bracketed in the same rule as the lip-shot drop in. Obviously the foul would have to be called, as a player could miss their shot and claim that it rolled off the D, and unless there scorer specifically looked, the player would have to be given the benefit of the doubt, which is wrong.
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 9:51:14 GMT
Omitted in AEBBA version 4.00 Why was this omitted in that particular version? I think the rule should stand, as it's very unsportsmanly, and I am always quick to remind people of this rule (even if accidently miscued for instance). Thank you: I did try to explain this rule to the other players but I was just told I didn't know what I was talking about. It's nice to be proved right. Sandra, I know it's sad and it's all very well saying this after its happened, but I always keep a set of rules on me so there's no arguing, as twice it could've ended it tears :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 9:42:34 GMT
I remember having a heated discussion about this a few months back. I believe the WDBBL and the LBBL have different rules, and in the Worthing the accidental black peg counts and in the Littlehampton doesn't. I like the additional phrase of 'whilst the balls are still in motion'.
RE rule 29; What is classified as 'normal course of play' as one could interpret this as when the ball rolls off of a dodgy D just as you play your shot, thus resulting in miscuing and ending your break/losing your score, you could demand the shot be retaken/balls replaced. I know this is usually player error, but what if a draft/floordboard/leaning on the table could be blamed for this? Surely that's no different than when pegs fall down when the table is knocked or the bar is pulled.
That started to make less sense the more I went on so I'll stop :D
On the subject of D's, if the D is raised of indented on the table, and the black leather strip causes a ridge, if the ball rocks back into this ridge, is it still classed as on the D? I assumed the rule was the the ball had to be in contact with the D and clearly still is when in this ridge. Although it was accidental and the table was forcing the ball into the ridge, I was pulled up on it and asking to play "From the D".
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 9:24:48 GMT
Well, just in case Dave looks on here, Myself, Chris Oakley and Danny Driscoll are all going :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 3, 2011 9:18:10 GMT
Montreal 2 - 3 Gardeners A @ Atlas
G.Mechan 1200 - 3190 L.Hickman M.Scott 3250 - 1880 P.Hickman B.Mechan 2060 - 2050 D.Bartram D.Robins 2790 - 3510 B.Bartram M.Barsby 2240 - 3120 P.Brown
Great night of BB on probably the worst table we've all played on all year (yes including the Schooner!), not sure what's happened to what used to be a lovely table :(
Gary and myself started the game off, and after hitting the break far too thick I left Gary on to get the break back... and hit it far too thick ;D In the end we had to play 1-up shots for it to go anywhere near going in!
Mixed luck for Gary, he would get some lucky balls and then that would be balanced out by pegs :( 1-0 Gardeners.
The next game was the same but for the other team, both players stuggling but it was fair at 1-1.
Bob then decided take it in turns with Dave to get bad luck, and ended up trailing after the bar dropped, after some quick maths and a lovely last ball 100, he took the Mont 2-1 ahead by 10 pts.
Our captain then showed us how to make it all square again with top score of the night.
The deciding game was Mick vs Pete B. They were evenly matched throughout the game, but Pete's inital 1k advantage proved too much to get back on this tricky table.
Good game all, and thanks to the Atlas for some lovely pizzas! As Matt says above, we're all looking forward to a Abinger Road derby! :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 2, 2011 11:08:12 GMT
Swan B 5 - 1 Dolphin B
I totally forgot about posting it up, I'll find the scores and put them up! :)
All I remember is I was the 1 lol :(
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Post by enzo on Mar 2, 2011 9:54:30 GMT
Well, It'll only be our GF and GA and Damo/Andys scores but its still worth it if it means they are/aren't in the masters! :)
I can't remember if I asked this on another thread but do we get ranking pts for prelim cup/shield games?
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Post by enzo on Mar 2, 2011 9:52:00 GMT
thx TJ :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 13:34:13 GMT
Cheers Ros, no-one seems to know who won in their first game! :(
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 12:59:29 GMT
Anyone know the winners for the Henty B vs New Sussex Hotel B? :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 12:58:31 GMT
Henty `B` 1 - 4 Swan `B`. Do we know who won for the Henty B? Also who won for Henty B in their first game please? Can't wait for the next draws!!! :D
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 12:24:58 GMT
I posted the results in the wrong thread, sorry!
Pete & Danny beat Chris and Myself 2-1 (after we won the first game by 6k, we couldn't get it back!!)
EDIT: Do we get 1 ranking pt for being in the QF? I'm sure people did last year, but not sure on the rules about having to win a match to get the pts?
2nd EDIT: I'm assuming not, but do you get ranking pts for prelims in the chairmans shield/cup?
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 12:10:52 GMT
We have to play the Schooner in 3 weeks (24th Mar) so we'll try and sort out that ammendment of the results card. I know it doesn't seem worth it for 1 game but we'd rather have it all correct :)
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Post by enzo on Mar 1, 2011 10:18:04 GMT
You can keep Chris Cox highlighted Kev :D He beat me last night :(
Dave East beat Pete Hickman 2-1 (Pete was 1-0 up and looking favourite to get the 2-0 but black pegged it!! That rattled him and Dave took advantage in the 3rd game)
H beat Damo 2-1 (Very good crack by Damo)
Danny Driscoll and Pete Hickman beat Chris Oakley and myself 2-1 (Even though we won the first game by 6k, we couldn't get them back in the next 2!!)
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Post by enzo on Feb 25, 2011 9:23:51 GMT
Gardeners B 2 - 3 Henty A
Chris O 5890 - 1760 G.Brett D.Driscoll BP - 6490 J.Whittle (3200 break) L.Hickman 2580 - 3540 R.Driver P.Hickman 1970 - 870 D.Whittle D.Hickman 3190 - 3240 R.Appleby
Great game, our first loss in a while! :( Chris made a lovely 4.6k break and almost 6k game to make it a nice 1-0. Danny struggled left right and center trying to get the balls back but it just wouldn't go for him. James jumped on this opportunity and ended up with almost 6.5k, with a nice 3200 break to start it off. 1-1. Rob Driver became the butt of the jokes for the evening after he pulled the bar to break off and the table nearly fell apart ;D BRACE THE TABLE PLEASE!! :) I too struggled to get the break back, but when I did, I left my 50-30 in the tricky spot behind the 30, and rushed into the shot a little, whipping straight into the 30 and losing my break. 1-2. Pete and Derek also struggled with 7 or 8 balls being on the table for the majority of the game, but Pete's opening break was just too much too ask for. 2-2. Another deciding game at the Gardeners, with Damo and Ros playing cat and mouse right up to the end. Ros started with about 2k and Damo caught her up and was leading by 800 as the bar dropped. Mental maths was needed here, as Ros selected her shots carefully and ended up 7 behind with one ball left on the table in between the 10 and 20, she opted not to rely on a last-ball situation, so a lovely 20-100 shot rounded off the evening, winning by 5pts! 2-3 to the Henty well done!!
Man of the Match James Whittle, highest competitive score, and what an apponent to do it against on his own table!!
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Post by enzo on Feb 17, 2011 12:14:08 GMT
I've PM'd Jay to see if he can get in touch with Helen for me so we can straighten this out :)
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Post by enzo on Feb 16, 2011 12:19:05 GMT
Henty 1 - 5 Swan B
In all fairness, they only had 3 players so well done for giving it a go :)
Scores will follow if needed
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Post by enzo on Feb 16, 2011 12:14:19 GMT
Right oh, that's a shame :( thanks for the info.
I wish we got ranking points for this event :(
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Post by enzo on Feb 16, 2011 0:38:02 GMT
I thought as much, that is incorrect ;) it should be 4-1 :)
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