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Post by alanturner on May 8, 2018 16:44:33 GMT
I Have just put a Clares Bar Billiard Table on Ebay for sale by auction CLARES & SONS BAR BILLIARD TABLE item 173307718501) If any member is interested please message me on here for a lower price
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Post by alanturner on Feb 13, 2018 19:59:56 GMT
Someone had a cracking time with this one !!!! The guy that owned it was doing his own reburb ! He then gave up ( Its mine now) He did this knocking out the 10 drop ring !!!! You have been warned , gently does it !!!
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Post by alanturner on Feb 11, 2018 14:39:05 GMT
How do you transport 20 slates safely ? Thats a big undertaking and a massive commitment.
What s the weight ? 1 trip or 2 ?
Very scary.
No wonder they want collection !
There will be breakages , there has to be ??
Good luck with that one Sav
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Post by alanturner on Feb 9, 2018 19:20:16 GMT
Hi Alan Have both of these sold now? Stuart Yes Stuart all sold , dont know when i will have another ready , probably 4/5 weeks . I have 2 Narrow Sams , a narrow Clares and 1 wide Boroughs/Watts , I think the CLARES will be next . I only have 3 coin / clock / mechanisms one operates on £2 coins , i dont know about the others . But before i do anymore tables i will be replenishing my depleted stock of skittles and mushrooms . I also have an order or a skittle table to complete first , but will probably make 2 whilst i am doing it. Alan
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Post by alanturner on Feb 9, 2018 13:51:29 GMT
When i refurbish a table i set the timer to 15 to 17 minutes .
Most timers British or French that i have set struggle to maintain a consistent time over 18 mins probably why i have come across some with extra springs added !
i am sure that i have read somewhere that the tables clocks were originally meant to be set between 12 and 15 minutes ?
What are your ideas on this ?
What are the league rules on this ?
Are all leagues the same ?
Is the 3 pin table set to the same length of time as the 4 pin table ?
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Post by alanturner on Feb 5, 2018 10:49:37 GMT
Yes Sav there are no adjusters on it , i did ask him if it had any , he didnt know ! , maybe when he dismantles it to re-cloth , which is his intention he will notice something is missing , though he did tell me that the room it was going in has a sloping uneven floor..............maybe has plenty of beer mats ? I should have asked its height from the floor (i will do that now) Alan
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Post by alanturner on Feb 5, 2018 0:49:56 GMT
Just supplied a guy in Germany with a scoreboard , 3 skittles and a s/h set of balls to replace the pool balls Interesting table , no 200 hole and especially the ashtray aspect ! (He sent me the picture with the scoreboard obviously after delivery. Delivery to Germany took just 2 days at only £15.00 including full insurance cover (parcelforce) pretty good. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by alanturner on Feb 4, 2018 15:40:32 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have an inkling that the table concerned may be the one sold by Alan, as shown on this thread: barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/20361/tables-saleIf this is indeed the case, the "easy drop" aspect would be more akin to Jersey tops rather than the pockets being 'ribbed'. I don't think this would duly upset league players in Sussex which now seems to have quite an eclectic mix of table types. The only types which might cause an outcry would be Riley with ribbed cups; Narrow SAMS; or modern Supreme. If 2 people are playing each other on the same table then there is no advantage to anyone !! ie .......not all league football pitchs are the same size , but are within parameters set down in the rules . This can be used to home advantage , can be !! But does not guarantee a win ? Alan
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Post by alanturner on Feb 4, 2018 15:26:29 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have an inkling that the table concerned may be the one sold by Alan, as shown on this thread: barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/20361/tables-saleIf this is indeed the case, the "easy drop" aspect would be more akin to Jersey tops rather than the pockets being 'ribbed'. I don't think this would duly upset league players in Sussex which now seems to have quite an eclectic mix of table types. The only types which might cause an outcry would be Riley with ribbed cups; Narrow SAMS; or modern Supreme. They are Jersey rings on that table , the Jelks( the original rings were were made of wood and 7 out of the 9 were broken or missing ) I have the 2 remaining wooden rings , if anyone needs them for their table let me know. Alan
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Post by alanturner on Jan 15, 2018 18:46:18 GMT
Hi Alan Thanks for the info. Very interested in the Jelkes table and would like to arrange a convenient time to visit possibly Saturday. Regards Colin Hi Colin , i have replied in messages Alan
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Post by alanturner on Dec 29, 2017 22:00:58 GMT
Hi Alan Can we talk about the two Sams narrow tables you have with working clocks etc Regards Jeremy I think i have replied in the message area ??? , if not email me and i will get back to you .......alanalanx@aol.com
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Post by alanturner on Dec 27, 2017 22:25:00 GMT
NOTE TO ALL MEMBERS ON THIS SITE
I Have 2 tables for sale on Ebay
A JELKS @ £1400 and a SAMS ( Narrow ) @ £980 full descriptions and photos are on Ebay
If anyone is interested on here purchased privately then the purchase price is JELKS £1200 SAMS £800
Collection only from CW2 5BX ( near Crewe/Nantwich , Cheshire )
Any further information required message me
Just for you Tommo ..........
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Post by alanturner on Dec 19, 2017 19:25:28 GMT
Price at the start of 2012 should have been £38.50 (plus VAT) a metre, so getting it at £30 a metre was a pretty good deal as I have done over a dozen bulk orders for people since then. I have checked the price prior to ordering every time so if they have made a mistake they have done it a lot of times and four times this year! Match has only gone up £1.50 in the meantime, so they were not losing much since the original deal. Interesting that they also cocked up the price of the Northern Rubber for the first couple of orders when I originally bought it, basing the price on half the quantity in a packet. Good luck Alan but it sounds like £40 (plus price rise) is open to anyone to group on a bulk order. Yes you are right its open to anyone , but as you must already know , most people cant be bothered and rely on others to do things for them !!
From what i have read on here much the same happens with competitions , table delivery and collection !
I think you will find that this is common in lots of clubs , groups and affiliations what ever the activity.
Some just want to turn up play and go !!
it will never change.
It is irrelevant to me , as i need to buy anyway so even odd numbers are not a problem .
Strachan are sending me some samples in the new year , and used snooker tournament cloth is ideal for ball return return runs , costs around £40 for a full size snooker table , just wash the chalk out of it on a low heat slow wash . Most tournament cloths have seen most action at the black ball end of table
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Post by alanturner on Dec 19, 2017 19:06:22 GMT
This has been said before but the tables i see in the odd pub obviosly have 3 pins and are mushrooms. My old league only had skittles so I'd always figured that was the difference between 3 and 4 pin. then I meet up with you all and because Sudbury use Mushrooms and you have skittles 'somewhere darn sarf' others have a visiom of our games the other way around! Wisbech use skittles like us. Norwich Copy Sudbury as they had no 4-pin till recently. What is Wellingborough? anyway, do you remember that for a couple of Friday nights I got my 3 old team mates out and we practiced at Dave's pub of choice: the White Horse in Sudbury? Andy and Colin hadn't played for 20 years, Alfie for 25 years except that Alfie had been around mine. They didn't like the Mushrooms because they cast a shadow but of course they weren't fussed but when asked...that's what they said. I just think people should have their ego massaged because that is what they EXPECT now. One thing I never quite 'got' when doing the table was how the cloth stays in the pocket? I see some slates have wooden backing across the pockets so do the tips of the cloth glue to the wood? that isn't strong is it? My slate is 20mm thick and the cloth only just pokes down beyond the slate. cheers Taffy When you press the rings in they should be tight enough to stretch the cloth into the hole and hold it there , no glue required , then turn it over and seal the back with .............well they used to use plaster of paris...............but decorators caulk will do the same job and taps out easily when required ! Cut cloth and fit 1 ring at a time , symetrically ! No glue required ............anywhere...............anywhere at all !!!!
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Post by alanturner on Dec 18, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
You did really well to get your last delivery at the £30 mtr , they explained to me that price was given in error but they honoured it as a long standing customer from 2012 So congratulations to all who got cloth at that price recently. i can confirm exactly what you said , that the price would now be £40 mtr but on January 1st 2018 there would be a price rise of cloth and p&p . So i just ordered 7.5 mtrs before it goes up . (Delivery is at the moment £18) It was not a mistake. The £30 piece was what I negotiated with Adam Hainsworth himself five years ago to supply the AEBBA competition tables with Hainsworth Match, when I recovered and refurbished the lot that summer. This was in lieu of any sponsorship. The tables had been covered in Strachan 6810 Tournament Gold (a.k.a. West of England) which I do not think was as good. I simply milked the deal for the benefit of others. but never intended any profit out of it myself, in fact the early sets cost me as I forgot the VAT in calculating the price. It was good whilst it lasted. Just to clarify Hainsworth were not saying that the price was a mistake originally but that it was their error to continue to hold the price and did so because of you past business . As per their reply :- Many thanks for your reply, unfortunately not I did have a conversation with Mike at the time that this price was incorrect but honoured it for that order only. The price is £40.00 per metre with an increase from January 1st. The only way we can reduce the price is by purchasing non conformance which is a slight seconded cloth – but unfortunately we do not have any non conformance at the moment. Really sorry I couldn’t help you with the price, I did have to run Chris’ last order via the Director who said this was the last order at that price as it had been a price from 2012 I believe. Please let me know if you need any further help. Kind regards, Jill Heald Sales Executive - Lifestyle & Leisure Direct Line: +44 (0)113 395 5622 Mobile: +44 (0)7730 530 070 Facsimile: +44 (0)113 395 5686 A W HAINSWORTH & SONS LTD Spring Valley Mills, Stanningley, Pudsey West Yorkshire LS28 6DW United Kingdom Anyway £45.00 inc vat is still not a bad price for quality cloth even with a pending price rise , especially when you look at what companies are charging to recover a table and not including cushion rails !! As i mentioned earlier , when i need to bulk purchase some more cloth , i will put a note on here and anyone is welcome to add to the order , the only additional cost being the forwarding p&p Happy Days
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Post by alanturner on Dec 16, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
if it wasn't for bad luck.... Al, you nearly have me crying for ya! I have to say your skittles, backboard and number board accross the ball bays is absolutely spot-on....truly! well done mate! I must write up on my table refurb...we could all do with a laugh! Taffy Do you mean ...' Could do with a Leffe '
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Post by alanturner on Dec 15, 2017 16:17:50 GMT
Sav.
Quote 'Sorry Alan, final order at the old price arrived today.
Suggest you contact them direct and let us know how you get on. They have suggested £40 a metre until New Year plus £18 carriage plus VAT
Chris'
You did really well to get your last delivery at the £30 mtr , they explained to me that price was given in error but they honoured it as a long standing customer from 2012 So congratulations to all who got cloth at that price recently. i can confirm exactly what you said , that the price would now be £40 mtr but on January 1st 2018 there would be a price rise of cloth and p&p . So i just ordered 7.5 mtrs before it goes up . (Delivery is at the moment £18)
I have now opened an ongoing account with Hainswoth , unfortunately , living were i live (South Cheshire) i cannot offer the same service to other members as your good self , as all would have to be repackaged and sent by carrier. But from time to time when i need to bulk order some for myself i will put a notice on this site advising what is available and cost of forwarding.
As you have said that is a massive price rise , but still cheaper than others available and also a it is know that the quality is good . I have in the past purchased cheap cloth but it is only suitable to re-line ball returns ! Certain Chinese made cloth is now supposed to be very good (used on tables at some top snooker competitions) but the quantities they want you to buy is extremely high and its also difficult to know which suppliers are good and which aren't . At least with British made you know what you are getting . Same applies to cushion rubber , although i suspect that some suppliers in the UK are being supplied by overseas makers !
And to cap it all today , my new electric stapler decided to fail after less than 2 hours work since new ! Typical , payed 5 times the cost of my old 'cheapo' one (which lasted over 4 years)
At least the snows gone !!!
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Post by alanturner on Dec 8, 2017 21:16:50 GMT
If it helps anyone with future ordering, this is how I split up a six seven metres on a roll of cloth. You actually get 13 side cushions out of a width. Remember you may not always recover the cushions so orders may be tailored. Lose one bed and have half the number of side and end cushions from five metres It's easy to snick the cloth at the right points and rip it across, just rather causes anal palpitations the first time you do it Hi again Sav Thanks for getting back I will give them a try next week to see if i can get a roll (i need it for SAMS and JELKS so will have to be careful on sizes ! But another point is that your drawing and text relates to a 6 mtr length = 236.25 inches but 61.5 inches x 3 + 72 + 18 = 274.5 inches Should it be a 7 mtr length ? Or is it me that cant see the ' cloth for the trees ' !!!! It may also be worth pointing out that this is OK for a JELKS table but a longer length will be required for SAMS table or a combination of the two . The SAMS being a longer slate with relatively longer cushion rails. I also hear that you have a special challenge coming up ............Playing on Taffys special table using his super skittles etc etc , good luck there ! Alan
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Post by alanturner on Dec 8, 2017 15:34:28 GMT
If it helps anyone with future ordering, this is how I split up a six seven metres on a roll of cloth. HiSav oops didnt realise or notice that you had or were ordering match cloth , am i to late for you to get me a roll ordered ? But delivered direct to me ? Alan
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Post by alanturner on Nov 18, 2017 17:58:30 GMT
Pretty close, though your far end holes appear approx. 5mm further up than mine, think I'll check a couple more slates before confirming. Must query the size of your holes? oops ! Sorry about that , yes , the drawing was for for my benefit and i have drawn it with the rings in place . ( i will change it so as not to confuse) As you show bore size is 62mm . On the Jelks i have just done recently i unfortunately had to use the only rings available at the moment which are rather large on the internal dimension 54/55. The original rings (only 2 survived) were made of wood and the holes were nearer to 63/64 , so the Peridon ones fitted perfectly because they are supplied way over size ! How any one without a lathe gets them to fit is beyond me ' I also dont understand why they cant supply them the correct size instead of the size they supply , doesnt make sense !! I understand that Taffy has had some made ? I have now acquired a couple of used sets of rings so now ok for a while. Best Regards Alan
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Post by alanturner on Nov 17, 2017 22:34:27 GMT
QUOTE :- Having retraced my steps via the cathedral, I spent 45 minutes going round the Verulanium museum which took the time up to 6pm. On to Harpenden, where Caravan were performing at the Public Halls. Their set lasted exactly two hours and for me was worth every penny. A slight hiccup to the journey home where the M25 was closed between junctions 17 and 16 which took a slow-moving procession through Denham but I was home by half past midnight.
Is that possibly the same Caravan that i saw over 40 years ago in Torquay ? The same week Lindesfarne and Hawkwind were on !!
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Post by alanturner on Nov 17, 2017 22:22:47 GMT
Slate possibility is now on! I have to cost out the entire package including transport to the UK but I would guess it will be around £250 for a traditional 13mm slate and wood surround only better supported at the front. The minimum order is 30 slates. Without any commitment at this stage, whom would be interested to make this possible? as usual all quotes will be at cost price to me. Ideal opportunity for any league to have a couple of spare slates ready to swap out for recovering, or to replace any of the very many cracked slates we play on. I may have orders for close on 20 as it stands. This is a one-off, I will not be retailing any slates after this order, Are slates you are sourcing , generally Jelks i.e as attached
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Post by alanturner on Nov 10, 2017 13:04:57 GMT
Well, bidding's now ended, and it went for £1400 if you believe that (no bidding history displayed). www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162731955264?ul_noapp=trueIn the massive sales blurb the vendor claimed to have found the backboard, but it is the original one and are the hinges intact ? Looks intrinsically a nice table but will be keeping a lookout to see if it rebounds onto eBay ! £1400.00.....................Did he let you know that ?
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Post by alanturner on Nov 9, 2017 23:49:07 GMT
A war of attrition going on here ! Daveuk1 and myself have made a couple of derisory offers to highlight the over-pricing. He/she was very rude to Dave, and I have since itemised all the factors causing a mark-down from the realistic ceiling price of £1000 for a good-condition Jelkes. I have suggested he/she lets it run to auction rather than buy-it-now and make offer.....a reserve of £500 could be applied to avoid giving it away: slate, legs and timer appear to be sound and it has after all had a re-cloth.i It may have had a re-cloth , but were the rubbers replaced ?
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Post by alanturner on Nov 3, 2017 21:28:47 GMT
Problem is, it's a narrow table. This would immediately preclude any interest from 90% of the bar billiards world (Suitable only to play 4-Pin, aka "Snookerette" on, which is primarily played in East Anglia and the Fens district.) Interesting statistic there Tommo ..90% I know you like facts and figures Over the last 12 months full size skittle /mushroom sales (that's 40 sets) That breaks down to :- 16 sets of 4 skittles 3 sets of 3 skittles 21 sets of 4 mushrooms Interesting
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Post by alanturner on Nov 3, 2017 20:37:41 GMT
Nice bit of carpentry, but nowhere near what a bar billiards table should comprise. Yes , i believe the guy that made it went to The Stevie Wonder School of Carpentry ! (The only slate on that table is probably roofing slates) It all balls !!!
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Post by alanturner on Nov 2, 2017 15:22:34 GMT
Well we are miles off topic but same here, I buy tools for the jobs but only top quality ones. link to thread cutter32mm one of these Is what I keep looking at for the more modern octagonal leg thread but have always managed to repair the existing thread, thus my wallet is still safe. Maybe someone will by you one for Christmas !!! Looks a good bit of kit.......German ........yet another subsadised company probably. Very interesting , thanks for that.
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Post by alanturner on Nov 1, 2017 23:41:39 GMT
Sav. Its the thread and bolt head either side of the 200 hole that concern me , it looks like there are 2 more near the 100 hole. Yes that's quite normal on Jelks slates, the table I am working on at present is an early one like that and has the countersunk bolts through the slate. I have found the internal separators to the ball runs are very fragile on the old and dried out wood on mine. Paid £350 on behalf of my league for this with a lot of similar work to do. Nothing insurmountable as you say and fortunately time is not money to me as my league will only be charged for materials. How strange , none of the 4 Jelks tables that have passed through my hands have had bolts through the table . I suppose they are fillered on the top face . For £350 if its got a clock thats pretty damn good . I do the tables and the other parts to keep me busy / active makes a little bit , but usually ploughed back in for tools etc I think i am supposed to make a profit but generally its about evens , but i enjoy it .Just bought a bandsaw today , got it from an 85 year old guy in Otley , just above Leeds......He has just spent the last 12 years totally rebuilding a 1927 Riley , it is stunning .
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