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Post by alanturner on Nov 1, 2017 22:09:28 GMT
Sav.
What your saying all sounds good to me
Its the thread and bolt head either side of the 200 hole that concern me , it looks like there are 2 more near the 100 hole.
I am thinking of putting in an offer of £400 , just to see what the response is , mmmmmmm...But it would cost me over £100 just to collect ???
470 mile round trip , overnight stay ?
It is quite redeemable a the right price .mmmmmmmmmmmm Undecided of Nantwich !
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Post by alanturner on Nov 1, 2017 19:00:15 GMT
Didnt notice until i had a second look.............is the support wood under the slate bolted right through , presumably using countersunk bolts ?
Is this normal ?
One feature i do like on the Jelkes , is the wooden support running across the table under the front end of the timer mechanism bed , i will probably put one of these on every table i work on from now on .
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Post by alanturner on Oct 31, 2017 20:36:00 GMT
What are anybodies thoughts on this Jelkes that appeared for sale on Ebay today
Item No. 162731955264
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Post by alanturner on Oct 24, 2017 22:45:47 GMT
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' The size of the old cushion rubbers are 10mm x 9mm approx, are 3/8” x 1/4” cushions suitable or should I upgrade the cushions and rails to 5/8” as Sav as mentioned in a previous post '
Lots of tables have different types of cushion rails and lots of different types of rubber.
I have tried various types of rubber (on the same table ) things can change the way the balls reacts on striking the cushion , If the cushion rail is not solidly fixed to the table top side rail being one and the rubber not properly bonded to the cushion rail being another.( use an impact glue , do not use superglue or gorilla glue ) Spray on carpet tile glue is good but can be messy !!!!
The table sides are also another area of ball reaction , no table sides are perfectly straight so angle of bounce differ from table to table and even table side to table side !
I cannot vouch for the length of time the rubber will last but the '' bounce '' reaction is virtually the same on any that that i have fixed on my test rails . whether it is 3/8 x 1/4 rectangle , 1/2 x 1/2 L shaped , 5/8 x 5/8 L shaped , hainsworh northern rubber is quite expensive but i can see no great advantage in using it as the reaction is the same , the only rubber i have tried that gives a sharper , quicker bonce is white silicon 1/2 x 1/2 L shaped but at £32.00 a metre it is not worth the gain or the outlay.
Some tables do not even have a rebate , the rubber is bonded straight to the rail , Just make sure the rubber thickness is consistant as this can also vary (in my opinion the rubber available now is not as good as it used to be)
Contary to popular belief the L shaped rubber can be jointed , this is the only place to use superglue , many years ago when i was involved with presure vessels and rubber seals the norm was to cot the joint with a diagonal lap and glue the joint with impact glue ( evostick or bostik) when super glue appeared on the scene the advice was to cut a straight butt joint (cut with a clean ' stanley ' knife ) and bond with super glue.
Strategically position any joint and you or any one else will not know it is there , pick a point on a straight line from the baulk spot through the centre of the 50 hole .
Yes , the super glue will harden the rubber eventually but not before a recver is due again.
Please be aware that that this is just my take on these things and others views may also vary
Every table is different , no two react the same. .
Have fun and enjoy doing your table
Best Regards Alan
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Post by alanturner on Aug 14, 2017 22:35:39 GMT
two weeks ago Alan got some new pins to me. I call them 'barbed' pins. the idea is that the ball hits the foot before it hits the side. well it works but too well! anything at low speeds and the pins push the balls away! seriously, until you've seen a ball deflect off at a new angle you won't believe it! as I say, it has to be slow or 'trickling' along. They would be an excellent set for people looking for a great score regardless or good for newcomers who get fed up picking up pins! don't get me wrong, they fall at medium plus speeds like normal pins but about the same as the tree trunks we used in the national 4-pin open at Sudbury this year. look carefully at these three below.... the one on the left is thicker and I certainly haven't tried that because the one in the middle already doesn't fall 'fairly'. the one on the right has the wire through it set lower to lower the C of G. it works fine. all that is wrong with it is that i like to retrieve "the nearest ball" using my cue and if the ball is anywhere near this skittle then my cue can't get to the ball!!!! as for the C of G and all that well i can try it again another time but the problem is the 'barb'. so perhaps none of these three will be used. back on the lathe for a "tickle" Alan? cheers!! Taffy mmm !!!!very interesting.............i would say that red skittle does exactly what you expected it to do ...........perfectly ? I will be able to do some experimental testing of rings , skittles/mushrooms soon , once i get a table set up ? i am going to set up a spare Sams i acuired on Sunday ............i/d of rings 50mm.........................spin right round then drop ! Alan
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Post by alanturner on Mar 29, 2017 11:37:32 GMT
Found this buried in my workshop............
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Post by alanturner on Mar 13, 2017 20:50:52 GMT
Tommo
It didn't arrive Saturday and didn't arrive today(Monday)...............maybe tomorrow !
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Post by alanturner on Mar 9, 2017 9:48:36 GMT
What is the most popular type of scoreboard ?
Wall mounted ?
End of table mounted ?
4 Lane (for 4 individual players ?
2 lane (singles and doubles)
I would appreciate feedback and views on this , as I have started to produce some to see how they go ? (ebay)
Thank you to all
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Post by alanturner on Mar 9, 2017 9:41:49 GMT
Hi Alan, Just a quick question. Owing to all of the posts by Taffy I couldnt help notice that youve been supplying him pegs and mushrooms. It is the East Anglian four pin open in a few weeks and although we hire in 8 tables from the AEBBA these come with three pins and obviously we use 4 mushrooms. A few years back we, the Suffolk Bar Billiards Association purchased 8 sets of mushrooms for use at our opens, but last year for some unknown reason we gave a set to another county. We can of course just borrow a set of mushrooms from one of our league tables for the day but wondered how much it would cost to buy a set from yourself and how quickly you could make them? The bases must be concaved to sit snugly over the spots and this was a problem we had with the original sets we got as the bottoms were flat and some not even square so they sat on the piss even when placed on a flat surface and wobbled when sitting on the spots. On our own tables this wouldnt be a problem as the cloth is marked with ink but the AEBBA tables have spots and I dont think they would of appreciated us marking their tables with a marked pen. I look forward to receiving your reply when you have time All the best Dave Vice chair of the Suffolk Bar Billiards Association, but not a serious player, im there for the beer Sorry for the delay in replying Dave , please have a look (only look) at all my mushrooms (and skittles on ebay) I can supply them to you direct at a slightly discounted price or to anyone on this site who wants to purchase any . www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172566028464?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649item no. 172566028464 or 172566029733 Delivery is by Hermes and takes 3/4 days max The 2 natural and 1 red , 1 black painted are £28.50 price on here and to you £24.00 inc p&p They have a recessed base which allows them to site over the spots , even without a spot they sit better on the table Let me know on here or alanalanx@aol.com Best Regards Alan
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Post by alanturner on Mar 9, 2017 0:10:14 GMT
Hi again Alan, Can you quote me (by PM if you like) for a miniature peg set suitable for a 'Joe Davis' (4 x 2 toy table) ? I have one left, my dog chewed the others to bits when he was a puppy ! Here is a pic: Dimensions in inches as follows: Height: 2 and 3/8th inches Base diameter: 9/16ths Top dia at widest: 9/16th Metal crossbar: 2" 2 natural wood, plus 1 with black finish. I look forward to hearing from you. tommo Hi Tommo The best thing to do is send me the one you have in the post . I can then copy and return it with the new ones ? To you for ' mini ' pegs £18.50 inc return p&p Post to :A . MEE , 74 OSBORNE GROVE , SHAVINGTON ,CREWE , CW2 5BX No problem , 2 natural dull polish , 1 matt black or 2 natural waxed finish , 1 gloss black . Alan
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Post by alanturner on Feb 22, 2017 23:14:30 GMT
Well i'm in for the pound now! I've just bought a clean 20mm thick slate from a junior snooker table at leek, staffs on Sunday and the next stage is cutting and drilling (shall we call it boring) the new holes on the slate. so, has anyone experience of sawing slate or drilling/boring it please? If not, i am the new guinnea pig! luckily i have an area i can prctice on around the outside. I guess fireplace and firehearth people would be a good place to ask? I need to know what size hole cutter to get and how much oversize it might drill? I THINK I recall Sav saying what size somewhere but not a 'drill size'? I'm thinking that they don't cut a clean hole so I need to ask? regards Taffy Hi Taffy Just use a diamond disc on 4.5 grinder , clamp a guide bar to the slate (put wood under the clamp feet) Support the slate on some polystyrene that will stop it vibrating , keep the cut wet use a sponge and a jug of water or a slow trickle from a hose pipe (2 people is better) Slate is soft and will cut easily . Wash it off after , clean and dry Mark the hole positions , if you use pistol a pistol drill to drill a pilot hole their is a danger of ' running off ' and not keeping it square , no matter how careful you are , you might drill 3 or 4 perfectly but then the next one goes of centre............agh !! slate is scrapped and you will be swearing !! A pillar drill adapted to fit on metal plate that you can clamp to slate ensures a square cutting angle or better still a magnetic base girder drill. Use a tipped hollow/sample boring cutter( the problem with these is they do not have a centre drill so alignment is crucial . So a circular brick cutter with a center dill ( just like a hole saw) is probably better . It might be a good idea to first use a lathe centre bit to start the hole , followed up by drilling right through with a drill the size of the hole saw centre , again use plenty of water . Slow speed , steady feed (pressure but not rubbing) it needs to cut .plenty of water , it will cut easily it is soft . Do not file the edges of the holes after boring them , just scrap around to remove the sharp edges , you can easily get carried away with a file or sandpaper for that matter , slate is soft . If you get any chipping or break away around the edge of the holes , this can easily be filled with resin , but again if you need to do this be very careful how you dress it back , the resin will be harder than the slate so do not sand , you will create hollows . Just lay a file flat or a large wet stone and very gently smooth it level. A friend of mine cuts slate 20mm dry with a Stihl saw and has no great problems except for lots and lots of dust , again a guide bar is essential . When you mark it for size and when you mark the hole position , before cutting CHECK THEM then CHECK THEM AGAIN , It may be a good idea when you mark the length and width to check the diagonals , if these do not match +/- 1mm then you are out of square somewhere . You got to loose your self in music , you only get one chance , once in a life time .......oh no that's Eminen , sorry Anyway Taffy , that should give you something to think about !!!!!! Good Luck PS .....If you want I can measure a hole on my bare table top , then you will know the exact size ???
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Post by alanturner on Feb 10, 2017 21:37:28 GMT
THE SHIP , 171 Kennington Road , Kennington , London .
Their website shows a table , a table with SKITTLES .
They obviously still have a table , cos they just ordered a set of MUSHROOMS red , black and 2 white from me .
So now if you go there , you have 2 options of play !
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Post by alanturner on Feb 8, 2017 14:41:29 GMT
Looks nice but let the buyer beware on that one, was originally on for just under £2k I think. Rear left leg socket heavily split, not a difficult repair if the socket itself is not damaged. Right rear leg is at a strange angle in one shot, might be fish-eye but check. The front lump of wood under the slate is not original and suggests a problem has been encountered in the slate. Obviously not more than 80 years old. Cushion rubbers are probably shot at as well , especially if its been left in sunlight as the faded cloth and seller indicate Over enthusiasm with varnish seems to be the case as well. Inside of table looks nice and clean . I agree about the ' iffy ' lump of wood , if it is for slate support and resin repair it doesn't look well done A score board is mentioned , but I cant see one anywhere For that price I would want a massive discount and 2 tables !
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Post by alanturner on Feb 7, 2017 21:21:10 GMT
Any comments on this
eBay item number:
112291615118
Jelkes table £4695.00 buy it now ??
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Post by alanturner on Jan 23, 2017 19:40:17 GMT
Where do the batteries go ? There you go Tommo , battery and light ..............Super Mushroom. Stripped this table today ............will put some pictures on here ...but where do I put them ........new thread ?? Which category ??
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Post by alanturner on Jan 22, 2017 20:52:41 GMT
Where do the batteries go ? Battery version will be available shortly , just to brighten your life !
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Post by alanturner on Jan 18, 2017 15:59:23 GMT
Didn't Allan Turner run a pub in eastenders? Maybe he did but I bet it didn't have a Bar Billiards Table Alanturner
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Post by alanturner on Jan 18, 2017 15:55:15 GMT
There is a good possibility that the :-
CROSS KEYS
THE STREET
REDGRAVE
SUFFOLK IP22 1RW
Has acquired a table recently , my reason being that they purchased a set of Mushrooms from me , 1 red , 1 black , 2 white .
Maybe needs adding to map ??
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Post by alanturner on Jan 18, 2017 15:26:20 GMT
well this pink ball is working a treat! I think that I would have more trouble winning over cynics who say it is confusing than freshers who would get it straight away I think. but there is just always a ball in play and on the D, scores are higher overall due to 'workrate'. what with more solid skittles as well, the game is speeding up. it is losing its 'delicacy' and becoming an 'attacking' game Pink Ball Target: keep the game moving, continuous play. it is a reserve red for non-stop play. it is also a reserve white so that you don't have to go 'nearest ball'. side benefit: after the gate has dropped, the game can be like chess. the pink ball is a second red and to be only used as a red when the real red is dropping. this allows continuous play. if the whites are also exhausted or the last one is going down, the pink can be a substitute but must be called by the player 'white' when placed on the D. if it scores from this shot it gets a 'white' score but if it stays on the table it is a red for scoring next time down. this way it can be forgotten after the shot and left for what it is. if the pink is up and only the red is in the trough, and a white is required - red can't be used and nearest ball required. it is only possible to have two reds on the table therefore if the pink came up as a 'white' substitute but stayed. it is possible to just put down non-stop single reds for example as long as the whites stay out the way. THIS CHANGE IS STAYING. next items on the agenda are Alanturner Mush-tittle. I'm getting a set. my 18mm based red on the 200 is so fat its blocking out the light! I want more 200 shots! secondly, one for Sav this: I'm looking to: 1) remove the leatherette bar at the near end temporarily 2) shunt the side cushions nearer-temporarily 3) move the back strip forward 5, 10 or 15mm-temporarily the reason: I can't get the 200 diagonal-it catches the 10 pocket if I give it some side. I still can't quite separate the reverse 100 and 200. sure it's skill but I want it to be a little easier. this may help and I want to spread the '20's outwards 5mm each and the '10's out a further 5mm making a total of 10mm. now the 200 diagonal is catching now on the edge of the 10 hole so I need to get the 200 out of the corner and look one day to spread the holes a little and still be able too. But something has to give and bringing the back cushion forwards to me or the holes backwards. but to test it, I can bring the back cushion forwards for the same effect and learn what happens. it is all a balance. a very delicate balance. I've asked a couple of times about the positioning of a skittle v a mushroom. so, I shall make fresh markers when I get the Mush-tittles and they will reflect the advantage that a mushroom has using scientific methods....but you knew that! regards Taffy Daffy := Its Alanturner..............not Taylor
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Post by alanturner on Jan 16, 2017 16:14:39 GMT
Seller says it is a picture of the actual table, draw your own conclusions! Seller now says on ebay , additional note today On 16-Jan-17 at 13:06:34 GMT, seller added the following information: The main picture isn't my actual table, because of mine being situated in a place that doesn't allow me to take a good picture I used this one. The main picture table is identical to mine. Surprise Surprise !!!
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Post by alanturner on Jan 14, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
Seller says it is a picture of the actual table, draw your own conclusions! See other thread , these are the other 2 photos This my friends question and reply :- Bar Billiards #322386330167 Hi , the photo you are showing is from the Games Room Company web site . It is a Jelkes Table in the shown photo . But do you have pictures of the table you are selling ? Can I come and view it prior to bidding ? Your welcome to come and view it 07967 003608 is my number . Sav ...... What do you think now ? My thoughts are that the suppliers label shown on the photo has nothing to do with the main table photo ?
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Post by alanturner on Jan 14, 2017 22:57:01 GMT
Seller says it is a picture of the actual table, draw your own conclusions! Hi Sav and others this is what I sent on ebay about Bar Billiards #322386330167 Is that a photo of the actual table you are selling ? If not do you have any of the actual table ? ie. inside , photos of timer , cloth and holes ?? The reply was that the table actually looks darker and he added 4 photos . But they were only small on the message return , they have not been put on the advert , see attached I wiil put the other 2 photos on the other thread Alan
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Post by alanturner on Jan 14, 2017 19:36:58 GMT
I have asked the seller if it is a photo of the actual table he is selling ( which we know it is not ! ) I have also asked if he has other photos ie inside of table , timer etc etc ..................will post IF I get a reply !
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Post by alanturner on Jan 14, 2017 13:07:41 GMT
Alan did you get my email about the the hybrid 'mushtittles'? Dave that sounds great! I'd like to think that i will, cheers! but is that 150 reliable? I'm sure the white in the 50 is good but that red in the 50 is a long, long ol shot isn't it! Taffy Taffy Had no broadband for 6 days thanks to talktalk/bt , So send again ....... Like the descriptive name ' Mushtittles '............Brilliant Alanturner
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