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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 17:18:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 11:29:25 GMT
Pre-war Jelkes from Gloucestershire: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Bar-Billiards-Table-/271337561465Seems to have survived the tests of time reasonably well. Worth asking the vendor on the condition of the legs - are they still a secure fit ? And does he have the original swinging backboard ? If not one can be purchased separately and aged a la Lovejoy ! This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available. - Presumably a private offer made.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 17:00:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 14:23:30 GMT
Pre-war Jelkes from Shepperton, Middx: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-bar-billiards-table-/251418885830Vendor probably doesn't realise what he is selling here, as categorically states table cannot be moved on its side: the round Jelkes legs should unscrew for ease of transport ! From the sound of it one of the legs may have a damaged thread, probably due to it being dragged about when it was installed the last time. Probably worth the opening bid price for someone willing to take it on and overcome the damaged leg problem. Then buy a matching Jelkes backboard (in oak) and you'd have an impressive table. Bidding has ended on this item.Re-listed 24/01/14: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-bar-billiards-table-/251432744729Bidding has ended on this item.
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Post by joiner88 on Jan 28, 2014 20:01:22 GMT
Pre-war Jelkes from Shepperton, Middx: Vendor probably doesn't realise what he is selling here, as categorically states table cannot be moved on its side: the round Jelkes legs should unscrew for ease of transport ! From the sound of it one of the legs may have a damaged thread, probably due to it being dragged about when it was installed the last time. Re-listed 24/01/14: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-bar-billiards-table-/251432744729According to the seller the legs do not unscrew. So probably glued in. "The slate appears undamaged"
Maybe not worth the bid price if the legs have to be cut off and all threads reworked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 0:23:42 GMT
Thanks for the extra investigation, Joiner.......yes, it does rather turn this one into a "caveat emptor". A pity, because otherwise it seems to have been well looked after.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 14:10:05 GMT
Nice looking pre-war Jelkes on sale from Nottingham: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-Table-/261409895190Cosmetically good, but as self-admission "refurbished by ourselves", the caveats mentioned in Sav's thread "Professionally restored ??" apply. Bidding has ended on this item. No takers @ £800.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 14:17:02 GMT
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 28, 2014 14:55:56 GMT
That one was on at Christmas and didn't sell for £650
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Post by joiner88 on Feb 28, 2014 19:50:15 GMT
I Remember this one too Chris, What is that back board all about Feel the need to take the bandsaw to it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 22:51:05 GMT
That one was on at Christmas and didn't sell for £650 Ah yes it's the 'Pimp My Ride' one from the top of this page, but appears to have changed hands as it has moved down to Cambs from Sheffield. The pub where it enjoyed an all-too-brief tenure is probably the Axe & Compass (Hemingford Abbots). (See Facebook comment of 3rd Feb): www.facebook.com/pages/The-Axe-and-Compass-Hemingford-Abbots/267996919893237Sold for £650 after 7 bids
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 1, 2014 9:42:17 GMT
Yup there's a picture in the FaceBook posts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 11:09:37 GMT
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Post by joiner88 on Mar 14, 2014 16:31:20 GMT
Just up the road from me Tommo, but as you said well over priced without the timer. Also in his answer he gives the "leg size" as though the legs don't unscrew. Caveat Emptor applies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 18:37:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 18:40:28 GMT
Doesn't the sticker say SAMS?
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 23, 2014 19:19:15 GMT
I'll be surprised if it is a Jelkes as no ball shutes and separate top supports either side unlike Jelkes with ball shutes and 'H' top support
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 23:30:44 GMT
Having taken a closer look and adjusted the brightness on my laptop I can now see what Lorin means about the sticker.... the one inside the table. This clearly says "Model 0208, Stock 0068, Ser.1132 Sams Bar Billiards".
This, along with Sav's observation on the ball channels gives it 'Mongrel status' as it also sports a Jelkes-style swinging backboard. Appearances can be deceptive but I should have smelled a rat when no pictures of the legs have been provided.
The funnel to the timer looks much larger than usual suggesting a major refurbishment, probably before being sold to the current private owner.
So somewhat lacking in authenticity and not as desirable as first thought and not worth the original figure I put on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 15:16:58 GMT
A bit of a shame this one, from London: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-table-/121348682971........as my investigations reveal it's from the King Charles I pub in Kings Cross. (see this HamandEggarFiles report, everything matches): hamandeggerfiles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/bar-billiards-at-king-charles-i-pub-in.htmlSo, is it worth bidding for ? Well it's an original B-B Ltd top from Ascot (see the huge label on the black leatherette). "Re-furbished" at some time with a burgundy red cloth and white pockets (not to everyone's taste). The original backboard has been taken off - a four-lane scoreboard is in its place - but they have retained it and displayed it higher up in the window, so make sure that comes as part of the sale. So another London venue will be biting the dust......but no doubt they have their reasons. No bids: Re-listed 04/06/14: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-table-/121355424740?This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.Bought by our great leader and will become part of the AEBBA stock following a straight exchange for their one least conducive to transportation !
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 9, 2014 20:34:27 GMT
A bit of cosmetic work to do to it but it's a lovely mahogany Jelkes, the top that came with it is an oak table top and weighs half as much as the table!!
Sav
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:06:53 GMT
Surely this Jelkes from Rochester must be worth £450 of anyone's money ? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-Table-/321432191446?pt=UK_SportingGoods_SnookerPool_RL&hash=item4ad6da01d6Round legs puts it as pre-1939, Bar Billiards-Ltd Ascot plate is suggestive of s f.s.h up to the year 2000 when it passed to Harrods (reputedly). Minus points: Timer/bar mechanism has been removed; Legs would need testing for possible damage to threads. A pity that removal of the timer and bar mech. appears to have halved the value of the item. 11 people watching it at present ! After one bid of £150 someone did the sensible thing and bought it for the requested £450.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:24:32 GMT
Pre-war (round-legged) Jelkes from Chippenham, Wilts. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-Table-Jelkes-/171429628951Looks is if it has been "SAMS-ised" at some stage judging by the backboard. Vendor does not seem to be expecting the earth, and a nice 4-lane scoreboard thrown in. The front tray appears to have been changed at some stage (it seems to jut out a lot) but even so I like this one a lot. Went for £412-28 after 15 bids.
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 2, 2014 20:13:17 GMT
Pre-war (round-legged) Jelkes from Chippenham, Wilts. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bar-Billiards-Table-Jelkes-/171429628951Looks is if it has been "SAMS-ised" at some stage judging by the backboard. Vendor does not seem to be expecting the earth, and a nice 4-lane scoreboard thrown in. The front tray appears to have been changed at some stage (it seems to jut out a lot) but even so I like this one a lot. Went for £412-28 after 15 bids.Do you think that was good value Tommo? I have been on the look out for a pre war Jelkes. A little bit too steep for me; considering it needed complete restoration??? But if you take into account - good slate - working timer (although the coin stop appears to be missing) - and the leg threads were in good condition- and all woodwork looked sound (even if not in the right place) Against New cushions, recover, replace missing hole ring, re-line ball runs, and complete strip-stain-varnish. Probably on the edge of a good buy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 23:23:19 GMT
Yes I think it was an excellent buy for somebody at that price: I've seen far worse go for double that price !
Bear in mind that most of these eBay table sales are not purporting to be anything more than for a used second-hand table but in serviceable condition. For a Jelkes of average condition we reckon a baseline of around £600. For this you expect to be able to play a decent game on it, but the cushion rubbers will probably have hardened and you might find the odd blemish elsewhere either on the wood, cloth, or maybe a slightly sunken pocket. (= normal wear and tear).
Restoring to pristine condition is then up to the buyer to arrange after the event. In a glorious state an authentic Jelkes will be worth over £1000.
Some tables are advertised for even more having undertaken a 'restoration process'. You will see a thread at the top of the board where Sav has expressed his scepticism on the merits of some of these restorations !
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Post by joiner88 on Sept 3, 2014 20:11:33 GMT
Thanks for the response Tommo. Perhaps I am being a bit picky, and maybe the prices are firming up. There appears to be little difference in price between a really nice table and a shabby specimen. Still at least my Jelkes in our local should hold its value. Out of interest what do you think my Jelkes copy would be worth (once I've got the score numbers finished. Regards Brian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 20:40:52 GMT
How right you are, Brian, that some specimens on eBay fall into the 'shabby' category ! Our aim on here is to try and sort out the wheat from the chaff from within the 'middle range', ie tables with expected wear and tear that are being offered for between £300 and £700. A bargain table within this bracket can, with a simple bit of TLC, soon have several hundred pounds added to its equity. However, a good two thirds of the tables we see have "something wrong with them" and the challenge here is in pointing out exactly what it is ! When a table of the highest quality comes up it is quite often grossly overvalued by the vendor (eg a requested starting bid of £1500) and predictably there are no takers. Now, the best way I can answer your question is to refer you to the Mercury Leisure bar billiards page: www.mercuryleisure.co.uk/barbilliards.html(Mercury Leisure being the most reliable source for table accessories, ball sets, mushrooms, backboards, lettering etc....I bought a nice mahogany cue rack from them). It will be seen that they have brought various makes of table up to mint condition and priced them accordingly. So going by this I would say that your 21st century Jelkes would be worth upwards of £1500. Regards, tommo
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Post by Carls421 on Sept 7, 2014 12:12:18 GMT
Hi Clive, Just thought id let you know, with regret I am selling my table to make room in the dining room (apparently) not my decision as you can guess lol. But just thought you may like to have a look at the ebay ad that ive posted yesterday. If there is anything you might think i need to add or take off (be ruthless, i dont want to mislead anyone) Many Thanks Carl Here it is..... m.ebay.co.uk/itm/301305512784?nav=SELLING_ACTIVE
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Post by Chris_Sav on Sept 7, 2014 13:32:49 GMT
Looks a good table Carl.
Sav.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 19:04:47 GMT
Hi Carl, Looks top dollar and I hope Davina is making it up to you in other ways for having to get rid of it !
The AEBBA may have been interested were it not for the fact that it has the round legs (1934-1939) whereas they are building up a stock of the ones with thrupenny bit legs (post-war) for exchangeability purposes.
The Colemanator may be interested, as I recall someone in Northants was looking to purchase a table recently.
Regards, tommo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 9:37:37 GMT
Hi Carl, Three days to go and it's already up to £711 with five bidders interested.......reckon it will make near to the £1000 mark. tommo
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